All your discussion on budget cuts / 4 year plan announcements today goes here.

c_man

Step 1: Take out a big insurance premium on the country.
Step 2: Slip everyone out at nighttime.
Step 3: Detonate nukes all over the island.
Step 4: Scam the insurance company and use the $$$ to buy a new country. Somewhere with nice weather.

Just keep it quiet from the IMF guys.

Morlar

Considering the speculation/reports that the govt are not going to touch the croke park agreement the other option to fill the 20bn gap in public spending is to tax the rest of us further into oblivion. This should be fun.

Retrovertigo

connundrum wrote: »

Just fucking default.

We'll be on the black list for 5 odd years, but then after that we'll be in a better situation than we are now (surely?!).

30+ years of €10bn in loan and interest payments is not feasible.

Hahaha. After 5 years everything will be forgotten, genius solution!

ctrl-alt-delete

mikom wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1121/breaking1.html?via=rel


http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1123/economy.html

Can these cunts tell the truth on anything?

Maybe he meant nowhere near as in it was going to be billions above it

ibarelycare

yermandan wrote: »

If the government is definately going to fall in January, wont whoever comes in have their own budget to announce soon after or will they keep and adopt the budget that will be set out next month? If its the former, then this whole 4 year plan/budget is a waste of time, no?

The current government have made an agreement with the IMF and that's what we'll be tied into for the next 4 years. Any incoming government may be able to tweak things here and there I'd say, but what's announced today is practically set in stone AFAIK.

gurramok

mariaalice wrote: »

This thread is about the 4 year plan? how come it turned in to a bash loan parents and people on social welfare thread.

Lone parents cost 1.1bn on OPFP alone and get a portion of the 2.2bn child benefit bill and other allowances.

List here of where social welfare costs go.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69191764&postcount=151

connundrum

Retrovertigo wrote: »

Hahaha. After 5 years everything will be forgotten, genius solution!

I'm pretty sure I said 'but then after that we'll be in a better situation than we are now (surely?!).'

It was open to debate, not a solution.

I personally think that the best solution is to force the bond holders and ECB to swap debt for equity in the relevant banks, making them directly interested in the running of these institutions and moving the problem (slowly) away from being a sovereign issue.

ctrl-alt-delete

Nice to see the same press set-up as the other day,

Some savings already!!

connundrum

VAT up 2% by 2015?!

Retards!!

Lord Trollington

connundrum wrote: »

VAT up 2% by 2015?!

Retards!!

They are going to kill any hope of a recovery!!

Aerlingus and Ryanair will be laughing though shipping the young and good out of here!!!

connundrum

The flashing message in the background is a bit 'arts and crafts day'.

Biggins

Will the 4 year plan be published on-line?

df1985

he's giving it loads with the hands today...

SeaFields

public sector pays looks untouched going by RTE's brief intro of the plan. 10% cut for new joins (embargo in place in any case).

VAT increase in fcuking crazy

ibarelycare

€1 per hour cut in minimum wage. That's quite a lot.

Lord Trollington

df1985 wrote: »

he's giving it loads with the hands today...

He is talking some load of bollix to be fair.....
Growth....
Create Jobs...

things that havent been done in 3 years, why would it all of a sudden happen?
becasue we're 250billion in death?
because there is high emigration?

Funkfield

Is there anysite where the vid is being streamed? I'm not near a telly.

ThisRegard

ibarelycare wrote: »

€1 per hour cut in minimum wage. That's quite a lot.

Already the unions are saying this plan is a declaration of war on the lower paid. Maybe the leaders should take a pay cut and share their wealth.

@Funkfield
http://www.rte.ie/news/player_newsnow.html

Biggins

ibarelycare wrote: »

€1 per hour cut in minimum wage. That's quite a lot.

Bar staff and leisure industry staff are about to be shafted!
...And thats just to begin with!

SeaFields

Funkfield wrote: »

Is there anysite where the vid is being streamed? I'm not near a telly.

RTE website

ibarelycare

Funkfield wrote: »

Is there anysite where the vid is being streamed? I'm not near a telly.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player_live.html#schedule

Ruu_Old

rte.ie/live also, there is a PDF of the four year plan posted in Politics just now.

ballsymchugh

Aldebaran wrote: »

Will there be beer?

yes, but we all have to use that jacks roll that's like greaseproof paper. harsh times.

SeaFields

I dont like John Gormley being there - reneging on the election call?

Biggins

Funkfield wrote: »

Is there anysite where the vid is being streamed? I'm not near a telly.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player_live.html#schedule

up for anything

http://www.budget.gov.ie/Leaflet.pdf

Don't know if this has been posted already. Just in case.

joe316

Biggins wrote: »

Will the 4 year plan be published on-line?

http://www.budget.gov.ie/The%20National%20Recovery%20Plan%202011-2014.pdf

kincsem

John Gormley is bigging up the Greens (and himself). "I did well, didn't I?"

Handsome Bob

ibarelycare wrote: »

€1 per hour cut in minimum wage. That's quite a lot.

Race to the bottom.

up for anything

senordingdong wrote: »

'breeding' at a higher rate

Love the dehumanising aspect here. :rolleyes:

Biggins

The Dail will resume session at 2.30.
Its should be fun after that at some stage.

Web viewsing throu here: http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm

Dancor

Biggins wrote: »

Will the 4 year plan be published on-line?

http://www.budget.gov.ie/RecoveryPlan.aspx

loike

BASTARDS CUTTING THE MIN WAGE

hotmail.com

What ministers are missing - I don't see Harney?

dr.bollocko

Public sector staff numbers will to 24,750

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/four-year-fiscal-plan-unveiled-483084.html

They accidentally the whole fleshlight.

hotmail.com

I have to say, Lenihan is talking nonsense - the country will owe about 250 billion after all this.

Biggins

Minimum new house tax on all, €100 a year.
Charge will be larger depending on home.

Ginny

Jesus Leinihen is still sputing bull****! Talking about how unemployment has gone down the last 2 years, and how Ireland is coming out of a deep recession.....jesus.

ctrl-alt-delete

hotmail.com wrote: »

What ministers are missing - I don't see Harney?

Switch to Widescreen

SeaFields

12.5% corporation tax "will remain untouched for the duration of the four year plan".

Jesus Wept

up for anything wrote: »

Love the dehumanising aspect here. :rolleyes:

It is what it is. Breeding.

Cookie_Monster

SeaFields wrote: »

12.5% corporation tax "will remain untouched for the duration of the four year plan".

good. means there is some chance of multi-nationals staying here for that timespan

Flimbos

Biggins wrote: »

Minimum new house tax on all, €100 a year.
Charge will be larger depending on home.

Looks like this will be an 'interim' flat rate tax for all, pending a site valuation scheme in the next year or two where houses will be taxed based on value, that's what I think they're saying anyway.

Biggins

Jeasus, Lennihan can bullschite and waffle!

Funkfield

hotmail.com wrote: »

What ministers are missing - I don't see Harney?

It's being broadcast from inside Harney :pac:

Biggins

Flimbos wrote: »

Looks like this will be an 'interim' flat rate tax for all, pending a site valuation scheme in the next year or two where houses will be taxed based on value, that's what I think they're saying anyway.

Indeed, its a short term measure before they can bring in a better rates charging system - if thats what I'm hearing through the political waffling!

Handsome Bob

Homer has words of wisdom for those on min wage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vbI-P6mFbg

Gunsfortoys

Biggins wrote: »

Minimum new house tax on all, €100 a year.
Charge will be larger depending on home.

Jesus, people are already struggling to pay their mortgage.

lempsipmax

Ursla Hanngan is not a real journalist surely!!

Flimbos

Biggins wrote: »

Indeed, its a short term measure before they can bring in a better rates charging system - if thats what I'm hearing through the political waffling!

I lost patience listening to the Brians waffling and turned it off, Newstalk's analysis is far more informative!