we love heroin

FatherLen

irish have the highest heroin usage in europe with a rate of 7 in every thousand people on the drug? :eek:
this seems a little high


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1111/1224283092990.html

THE REPUBLIC’S heroin problem is worse than in any EU country for which figures are available – and it also has the longest waiting lists for treatment for those addicted to the drug, a Europe-wide report has revealed.
The research shows an average of seven people in every 1,000 in the Republic are defined as problem opiate, or heroin, users.
This is the worst record of the 15 European states for which heroin-user data was available. The number of heroin users is more than twice as high as the majority of the other countries.
The 2010 annual report for the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction also indicates the extent of the recession-related collapse of the Republic’s illicit cocaine trade.
The number of seizures of the drug has fallen by two-thirds since its peak. In 2007 there were 1,749 seizures, but last year that fell to 635 seizures.
Despite this, the Republic is listed among a small group of EU states – along with the UK, Italy, Denmark and Spain – seen as having a serious cocaine problem.

Revolution9

FatherLen wrote: »

this seems a little high

It's more than a little high

chin_grin

FatherLen wrote: »

irish have the highest heroin usage in europe with a rate of 7 in every thousand people on the drug? :eek:
this seems a little high

Princess Peach

Its the new Atkins sure.

pickarooney

Heroin is my wife and my life.

Sofiztikated

Thats roughly 28,000 people.

I thought I saw a while ago that some Irish politician claimed there was only 15,000 drug users in Ireland, and that included people that smoked weed. I can't remember where I saw it though.

What can I say, we love getting whacked out of our gord. Gear, spliff, glue, tabs and a pint of whatever you're having yourself.

biko

In 2007 there were 1,749 seizures, but last year that fell to 635 seizures.

I'm sure the epileptics of Ireland are happy to hear this.

godscop

anyone find a spoon ?

chin_grin

biko wrote: »

I'm sure the epileptics of Ireland are happy to hear this.

What do you call an epileptic in a bush?


Russell.

Fremen

There's a great documentary about heroin use in Scotland here. You may have to be in the UK to view it in my link, but I'm sure you can find it elsewhere.

It's quite easy to estimate the number of junkies in a given city and the amount of heroin a typical addict uses in a day. When you compare this against the amount of heroin seized, it turns out that about 98% of heroin use goes undetected.

My personal feeling is more or less the view presented in the documentary - by outlawing heroin use, the government is turning what is effectively a medical problem into a criminal one.

fonecrusher1

Should this not be in the Dublin forum?

chin_grin

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Should this not be in the Dublin forum?

Ah hear now.........Oh wait. Yeah!

FatherLen

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Should this not be in the Dublin forum?

ha unfortunatley i fear it is nationwide

fonecrusher1

FatherLen wrote: »

ha unfortunatley i fear it is nationwide

Yeah but in all fairness dubs put it in their tea. Heroin tea & cocaine cakes.

chin_grin

FatherLen wrote: »

ha unfortunatley i fear it is nationwide

See that's what I thought. But the article confuses me by comparing 'The Republic' (Dublin.....or Cork depending on where you're from!) to the rest of EU which are countries!

Bad writing or am I picking it up wrong?

You decide...................eh........actually don't.

FatherLen

no we dont..............................;)

Orando Broom

If it's being moved to the Dublin thread it needs to be renamed 'Herradin' or 'The Herradin'

so they'll know what it is.

Dubs are well suited to junkieism. They are already skinny and short and ashen faced from playing the megadrive all day.

FatherLen

woah whats with the dublin bashing?!?

CrazyRabbit

For Class A drugs;

Automatic life sentences for drug users unless they reveal their supplier and testify against them. If they do this, then the sentence should be reduced to treatment and weekly drug tests afterwards, with a prison sentence for re-using.

Automatic life sentences for suppliers, reduced to 5 years if they reveal their supplier and testify against them (if possible).

Death penalty for manufacturers/growers/importers.

For other illegal drugs, treatment and random testing. Re-using = significant fine. Re-using again = prison sentence.

That'll put a stop to it.

strobe

Orando Broom wrote: »

If it's being moved to the Dublin thread it needs to be renamed 'Herradin' or 'The Herradin'

so they'll know what it is.

Dubs are well suited to junkieism. They are already skinny and short and ashen faced from playing the megadrive all day.

Yeah, strutting around in their X-Works jeans and denim jackets, with their boom boxes on their shoulders playing their MC Mc Hammer. Raggamuffins, the lot of them.

strobe

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

For Class A drugs;

Automatic life sentences for drug users unless they reveal their supplier and testify against them. If they do this, then the sentence should be reduced to treatment and weekly drug tests afterwards, with a prison sentence for re-using.

Automatic life sentences for suppliers, reduced to 5 years if they reveal their supplier and testify against them (if possible).

Death penalty for manufacturers/growers/importers.

For other illegal drugs, treatment and random testing. Re-using = significant fine. Re-using again = prison sentence.

That'll put a stop to it.

[sarcasm]Genius! Are you like, some kind of science doctor?[/sacasm]

Orando Broom

strobe wrote: »

Yeah, strutting around in their X-Works jeans and denim jackets, with their boom boxes on their shoulders playing their MC Mc Hammer. Raggamuffins, the lot of them.

With their undercuts and Maximum Rave tapes.

Scrotes.

bonerm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Thats roughly 28,000 people.

I thought I saw a while ago that some Irish politician claimed there was only 15,000 drug users in Ireland, and that included people that smoked weed. I can't remember where I saw it though.

I'm guessing they also forgot to count drinkers in those figures? But then that's right, taxable drugs don't count.

Augmerson

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

For Class A drugs;

Automatic life sentences for drug users unless they reveal their supplier and testify against them. If they do this, then the sentence should be reduced to treatment and weekly drug tests afterwards, with a prison sentence for re-using.

Automatic life sentences for suppliers, reduced to 5 years if they reveal their supplier and testify against them (if possible).

Death penalty for manufacturers/growers/importers.

For other illegal drugs, treatment and random testing. Re-using = significant fine. Re-using again = prison sentence.

That'll put a stop to it.

Incredibly niave, won't work at all. I've been saying this for years. Longer, harsher sentences will not stop people from using, selling or distributing drugs. You could give people the death penalty for smoking a spliff, it wouldn't matter, people will still find a way to get out of their heads.

Motley Crue

I don't know what's worse, the drug users in Ireland, or the people who spend their time complaining about the drug users without lifting a finger

Orando Broom

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

For Class A drugs;

Automatic Double life sentences for drug users unless they reveal their supplier and testify against them. If they do this, then the sentence should be reduced to tough treatment and bi-weekly drug tests afterwards, with a tough prison sentence for re-using.

Automatic double life sentences for suppliers, reduced to 5 years if they reveal their supplier and testify against them (if possible).

Double Death penalty for manufacturers/growers/importers.

For other illegal drugs, tough treatment and super random testing. Re-using = highly significant fine. Re-using again = tough prison sentence.

That'll put a stop to it.

Augmerson wrote: »

Incredibly niave, won't work at all. I've been saying this for years. Longer, harsher sentences will not stop people from using, selling or distributing drugs. You could give people the death penalty for smoking a spliff, it wouldn't matter, people will still find a way to get out of their heads.

I've improved on his original idea. I think it would work now.

Fremen

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Yeah but in all fairness dubs put it in their tea. Heroin tea & cocaine cakes.

Actually, those are just rasins

General Zod

The problem with heroin is it's terribly moreish.

Augmerson

Some states in the US have very harsh sentences for drug related offences and it is still no deterrent.

There's something like over 1 million people in jail in the US at the moment - now obviously not all of those people are in there for "drug crimes" but a huge number would be. Imagine if we imposed the same sentences here, our prison population would explode and even then you'd still be able to get Heroin in prison ffs.

Fremen

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

For Class A drugs;

Automatic life sentences for drug users unless they reveal their supplier and testify against them. If they do this, then the sentence should be reduced to treatment and weekly drug tests afterwards, with a prison sentence for re-using.

Automatic life sentences for suppliers, reduced to 5 years if they reveal their supplier and testify against them (if possible).

Death penalty for manufacturers/growers/importers.

For other illegal drugs, treatment and random testing. Re-using = significant fine. Re-using again = prison sentence.

That'll put a stop to it.

F*ck it, death sentences all round!

karlog

With are stupid laws this is no surprise.

FatherLen

karlog wrote: »

With are stupid laws this is no surprise.

what?

chin_grin

FatherLen wrote: »

what?

With. They're stupid laws.

CrazyRabbit

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

For Class A drugs;

Automatic life sentences for drug users unless they reveal their supplier and testify against them. If they do this, then the sentence should be reduced to treatment and weekly drug tests afterwards, with a prison sentence for re-using.

Automatic life sentences for suppliers, reduced to 5 years if they reveal their supplier and testify against them (if possible).

Death penalty for manufacturers/growers/importers.

For other illegal drugs, treatment and random testing. Re-using = significant fine. Re-using again = prison sentence.

That'll put a stop to it.

strobe wrote: »

[sarcasm]Genius! Are you like, some kind of science doctor?[/sacasm]

Augmerson wrote: »

Incredibly niave, won't work at all. I've been saying this for years. Longer, harsher sentences will not stop people from using, selling or distributing drugs. You could give people the death penalty for smoking a spliff, it wouldn't matter, people will still find a way to get out of their heads.

It's not about tougher sentences. If anything it would greatly reduce the number of people in prisons. It's about giving one hell of an incentive for drug users and suppliers to give up their sources and cooperate fully. The only way to remove these drugs is to cut off the source.

Pace2008

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

For Class A drugs;

Automatic life sentences for drug users unless they reveal their supplier and testify against them. If they do this, then the sentence should be reduced to treatment and weekly drug tests afterwards, with a prison sentence for re-using.

Automatic life sentences for suppliers, reduced to 5 years if they reveal their supplier and testify against them (if possible).

Death penalty for manufacturers/growers/importers.

For other illegal drugs, treatment and random testing. Re-using = significant fine. Re-using again = prison sentence.

That'll put a stop to it.

Under your proposed system, I will receive life imprisonment if I do not condemn the golf course in which I picked my mushrooms to the same fate.

ScumLord

I don't think these storeys really take into account Ireland's size. These numbers may look worse than they actually are, lets say to set up a drug dealing system it takes 1000 people, to import, deal and use the drug in enough quantity to support a black market. That 1000 people is going to seem like a larger group in a small population. We're also a closer community of people in Ireland so it's easier for these things to spread.

CrazyRabbit

Augmerson wrote: »

Some states in the US have very harsh sentences for drug related offences and it is still no deterrent.

There's something like over 1 million people in jail in the US at the moment - now obviously not all of those people are in there for "drug crimes" but a huge number would be. Imagine if we imposed the same sentences here, our prison population would explode and even then you'd still be able to get Heroin in prison ffs.

It's very true that harsh sentences alone have little effect. That's pretty obvious. The US justice system is all about punishment and very little about rehabilitation or tackling the source of issues. It's a great example of what not to do.

For drugs, it's the importers/growers/manufacturers that need to be removed from society. Users are secondary (although they contribute a lot to other crimes).

CrazyRabbit

Pace2008 wrote: »

Under your proposed system, I will receive life imprisonment if I do not condemn the golf course in which I picked my mushrooms to the same fate.

Only if you sell to/supply others.

Pace2008

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Only if you sell to/supply others.

Do you honestly think someone who knocks out a few pills or shrooms deserves life for their sins?

Under our current system there is no distinction between mushrooms, MDMA and heroin.

Life imprisonment for class A drug use?

Are you for real?

Seriously?

Something wrong up in the aul' noggin' there?

Ah go on, admit it, you're taking the piss, aren't you?

Irish 'Tough on Crime' and Mammies Association
Ruling your own body and mind since evolution's last great failure (whenever that was)

Pace2008

Deleted User wrote: »

Life imprisonment for class A drug use?

Are you for real?

Seriously?

Something wrong up in the aul' noggin' there?

Ah go on, admit it, you're taking the piss, aren't you?

Irish 'Tough on Crime' and Mammies Association
Ruling your own body and mind since evolution's last great failure (whenever that was)

Man, if you could see the way marijuana cigarettes have ravaged my community you'd be singing a different tune.

jackiebaron

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Yeah but in all fairness dubs put it in their tea. Heroin tea & cocaine cakes.

We sprinkle it on our Sugar Smacks

Fremen

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

It's not about tougher sentences. If anything it would greatly reduce the number of people in prisons. It's about giving one hell of an incentive for drug users and suppliers to give up their sources and cooperate fully. The only way to remove these drugs is to cut off the source.

You have to catch them first. We're not really very good at that, you know.

SuperInfinity

The people I hate aren't the dealers, aren't the users, aren't the police... the people I really hate are the people who feel they have been "enlightened" (mainly young people) and say that they should be legalized.... ANY of those drugs.

The people who say it should be legalized would be responsible for horrendous problems in the future and an unbelievable amount of pain and human suffering. Those people are a disgrace.

As far as I'm concerned, taking heroin, marajuana or any drugs like that will always be a crime to me. A crime against human kind, never mind what those fools who tell us they're our authority and know what's best say.

Sea Sharp

SuperInfinity wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, taking heroin, marajuana or any drugs like that will always be a crime to me. A crime against human kind, never mind what those fools who tell us they're our authority and know what's best say.

Standard response:

Would you consider going down to the pub and drinking 5 or 6 pints to be a 'crime against human kind'?

CiaranC

SuperInfinity wrote: »

The people I hate aren't the dealers, aren't the users, aren't the police... the people I really hate are the people who feel they have been "enlightened" (mainly young people) and say that they should be legalized.... ANY of those drugs.

The people who say it should be legalized would be responsible for horrendous problems in the future and an unbelievable amount of pain and human suffering. Those people are a disgrace.

As far as I'm concerned, taking heroin, marajuana or any drugs like that will always be a crime to me. A crime against human kind, never mind what those fools who tell us they're our authority and know what's best say.

Haha, very good.

Sea Sharp

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Standard response:

Would you consider going down to the pub and drinking 5 or 6 pints to be a 'crime against human kind'?

Any illegal drug use lines the pockets of very very dangerous, often murderous folk, can't be compared to having a few legal pints in your local, where in many cases the owner and staff may well be friends of yours who appreciate your custom.

SuperInfinity

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Standard response:

Would you consider going down to the pub and drinking 5 or 6 pints to be a 'crime against human kind'?

I don't drink, I dont like the taste or how I feel after it. I would consider it a crime against humankind if you put people in danger because of it, but alcohol is a bit like a food in some respects so taken in moderation I wouldn't say so.

Pace2008

RoverJames wrote: »

Any illegal drug use lines the pockets of very very dangerous, often murderous folk, can't be compared to having a few legal pints in your local, where in many cases the owner and staff may well be friends of yours who appreciate your custom.

You're contributing to the industry that keeps our A&E good and lively every weekend night.

Don't even make me go on about coffee and bananas again.

homer simpson

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Standard response:

Would you consider going down to the pub and drinking 5 or 6 pints to be a 'crime against human kind'?

No its not but When you go for a few days without pints because your skint you just man (women) up and get on with it, whereas if you got for a few hours (nevermind a few days) without Heroin You'll more than likely Mug some poor random person or go robbing to get their fix, theres the difference!!!!!!!!!

Mweelrea

chin_grin wrote: »

What do you call an epileptic in a bush?


Russell.

What do you call an epileptic in a wheelchair ?

A transformer