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Golf R32 - Should I convert to van to save on VRT!

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  • 24-11-2010 10:23pm
    #1
    dontclickonthis
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭


    Hi,

    Looking to buy a 2003 R32 in the UK, VRT a lovely €5020!! I know the government is stuck for money at the mo and how I would love to help them out but €5k VRT on a 7 year old car is a bit much.

    Was thinking of getting a 3 door and converting it into a Car/Van then putting it through the VRT as commercial

    Am I mad? Don't really need the seats in the back, So say if I was to just whip out the back seats and square the floor off and block out the windows could I put it through as a Van?

    I am Vat Registered so it will be for business use.
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    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,798 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You won't get it to the load area required for €50 VRT, so 13.3% of OMSP is still the order of the day... is this enough of a saving for the hassle to convert and hassle of insuring it once its converted?


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    dontclickonthis
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭dontclickonthis


    MYOB wrote: »
    You won't get it to the load area required for €50 VRT, so 13.3% of OMSP is still the order of the day... is this enough of a saving for the hassle to convert and hassle of insuring it once its converted?

    Revenue have a OMSP of €13946

    VRT would be €1854 on a car/van so I would save €3166

    Still I think the OMSP of €13946 is a bit much. I don't see many 2003 R32 knocking about so I think there figer is a bit off.


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    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    I think it's just about legal but you'd be uninsured if say you crashed coming home from a wedding or something like that.
    There's a similar thread here.


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »
    I think it's just about legal but you'd be uninsured if say you crashed coming home from a wedding or something like that.
    There's a similar thread here.

    ..sorry, but that part about the insurance is nonsense. If OP has it (legally declared) commercial, and properly insured, that's all that matters. VRT is not a Road Traffic Act item, and once a cert under the RTA 1963 is issued, you're covered.

    Motor Tax and VRT is enforced by Revenue, not the GTC.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    tossy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,590 ✭✭✭tossy


    R32 Van! you sir should buy yourself a nice mk4 tdi van and be content,this thread is making my stomach churn :D

    I would imagine it would be infinitely more hassle than its worth and plain stupid (personal opinion)


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    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ..sorry, but that part about the insurance is nonsense. If OP has it (legally declared) commercial, and properly insured, that's all that matters. VRT is not a Road Traffic Act item, and once a cert under the RTA 1963 is issued, you're covered.

    Motor Tax and VRT is enforced by Revenue, not the GTC.

    Are there not possible insurance issues about using a commercial van for Social, Domestic and Pleasure?


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    dontclickonthis
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭dontclickonthis


    tossy wrote: »
    R32 Van! you sir should buy yourself a nice mk4 tdi van and be content,this thread is making my stomach churn :D

    I would imagine it would be infinitely more hassle than its worth and plain stupid (personal opinion)


    I had 4 golfs in the past and now the time has come for an R32.


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    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    tossy wrote: »
    R32 Van! you sir should buy yourself a nice mk4 tdi van and be content

    You can't compare an R32 with a Mk4 TDI. Stop doing things like that.


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    tossy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,590 ✭✭✭tossy


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    You can't compare an R32 with a Mk4 TDI. Stop doing things like that.

    It was sarcasm i.e if the OP wants a golf van buy one with a tractor engine in it and don't ruin a good one. i know all about R32s thanks.Drive on...

    Besides with my experience of high powered (higher than an R admittedly) V6 mk4 based cars VRT or tax is the least of the running costs,petrol and servicing are the real costs to look at.)


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    dontclickonthis
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭dontclickonthis


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    You can't compare an R32 with a Mk4 TDI. Stop doing things like that.

    True ....


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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »
    Are there not possible insurance issues about using a commercial van for Social, Domestic and Pleasure?

    No. Your insurance is a private contract, and if you declare that you will use it for SD&P, and they accept the proposal, you pay the money, and they issue cover, then that's all that matters.

    You are, I fear confusing the 'commercial' vs 'private tax' issue which is the subject of some Revenue official activity. Either way, it's not an insurance one.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    pajero12
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    This thread makes me sad :(


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    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    tossy wrote: »
    It was sarcasm

    Ooops, sorry tossy, but with all the talk of diesel power here I wouldn't be surprised at people making the comparison!!!


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    si_guru
    Registered Users Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭si_guru


    I thought these days that a vehicle HAD TO BE a factory produced comercial to get lower VRT.


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    BronsonTB
    Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭BronsonTB


    Will all depend if the vehcile gets checked by an inspector...this is the very thing they are looking to clamp down on, was a loop they are closing fast...been done with Supra's and revenue have copped on thanks to posts like this...so keep the back seats & the wallet open just in case!

    But if you do get it sorted...Happy motoring!!! :D

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    racso1975
    Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭racso1975


    Are you not potentially destroying the value of the car doing this?

    Next person who buys it will be liable for the vrt should they wish to use it as a car. And in fairness the way things are going who is going to use and r32 as a commercial vehicle if they were looking. It would be nice but anybody would relise the running costs would be stupid compared to a tdi.

    Finally, surely the point of having a car like that is that you can bring your mates in it?


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    dontclickonthis
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭dontclickonthis


    racso1975 wrote: »
    Are you not potentially destroying the value of the car doing this?

    Next person who buys it will be liable for the vrt should they wish to use it as a car. And in fairness the way things are going who is going to use and r32 as a commercial vehicle if they were looking. It would be nice but anybody would relise the running costs would be stupid compared to a tdi.

    Finally, surely the point of having a car like that is that you can bring your mates in it?

    I don't think im destroying the value of the car as I can put the seats back in. Yes i will have to pay the difference when I do that but for now I don't want to have to pay 5k VRT as I think the OMSP is wrong.

    Also I can't seem to find a 03 R32 anywhere in Ireland on Irish plates anyone see any about for sale?


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    #19
    Homer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Homer


    You could start a business as Irelands fastest courier :D


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    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    dontclickonthis wrote: »
    I don't think im destroying the value of the car as I can put the seats back in. Yes i will have to pay the difference when I do that but for now I don't want to have to pay 5k VRT as I think the OMSP is wrong.

    Also I can't seem to find a 03 R32 anywhere in Ireland on Irish plates anyone see any about for sale?

    You cant put the seats back in, to make it a commercial you have to weld up the seat belt points and make sure that the rear is permanently put out of use for passengers.

    You need to do this for commercial tax anyway.


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    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    Why do people seem so against this?
    If he can do this and get away with it then goodluck to him.
    I never use the back seat in my car and I'd probably convert it to a van if I was sure it was 100% legal.


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    R.O.R
    Registered Users Posts: 12,685 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    No inspector in the VRO (I think they still do commercials) is going to pass a Golf R32 as a commercial vehicle.


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    racso1975
    Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭racso1975


    Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »
    Why do people seem so against this?
    If he can do this and get away with it then goodluck to him.
    I never use the back seat in my car and I'd probably convert it to a van if I was sure it was 100% legal.

    Not against it in the least and if it works out for him happy days. But he did ask for opinions and i'm only trying to show him some downsides so he can make a fully informed decision..........going forward :D


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    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    R.O.R wrote: »
    No inspector in the VRO (I think they still do commercials) is going to pass a Golf R32 as a commercial vehicle.

    I know that people have successfully had Supras passed as commercial vehicles.
    Looks like they might be starting to clamp down on this sort of stuff now though.
    link


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    #25
    Piri
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Piri


    Put a bed and a sink and convert it to a camper just like Top Gear fellows did:)


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    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »
    I think it's just about legal but you'd be uninsured if say you crashed coming home from a wedding or something like that.
    There's a similar thread here.

    Please don't spout inaccurate rubbish as fact on the forum


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    BronsonTB
    Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭BronsonTB


    Looks like from Jan 1st that will no longer be an option so you only have till then to have it all sorted if it's possible.

    Good luck if you do :D

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    R.O.R
    Registered Users Posts: 12,685 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    BronsonTB wrote: »
    Looks like from Jan 1st that will no longer be an option so you only have till then to have it all sorted if it's possible.

    Good luck if you do :D

    If you mean the changes to VRT on commercials, that only applies to converted vehicles and Crew Cabs that are currently at €50 VRT and will now go to 13.3% VRT.

    Hatchback based commercials didn't meet the load length or weight criteria for the €50 so were always 13.3%.


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    #29
    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    Onkle wrote: »
    Please don't spout inaccurate rubbish as fact on the forum please.

    Do you have trouble understanding what the words "I think" mean :confused:
    I never stated anything as fact, hence the reason for linking to the other thread so the OP could read up more about this.

    Using a commercial vehicle for private use is currently being clamped down on by Gardaí/Customs.
    If it's insured commercially then the policy would probably include cover for Social, Domestic and Pleasure usage but obviously if it didn't you'd be in trouble.

    It'd be great if you could 100% legally tax/insure your car in this way
    but TBH it sounds iffy and you'd be leaving yourself open to hassle.
    Sounds like the days of getting away with this kind of thing are coming to an end.


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    dontclickonthis
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭dontclickonthis


    draffodx wrote: »
    You cant put the seats back in, to make it a commercial you have to weld up the seat belt points and make sure that the rear is permanently put out of use for passengers.

    You need to do this for commercial tax anyway.


    I see on some other posts using solder on the seat belt points looks like weld and of course you can just reheat the solder and remove it.


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    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    dontclickonthis wrote: »
    I see on some other posts using solder on the seat belt points looks like weld and of course you can just reheat the solder and remove it.

    That was before the NCT crowd took over doing the VRT checks though, I'd assume that they'd be looking out for that kind of thing now.


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