New 'United Left Alliance' formed

Permabear

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MagicSean

donegalfella wrote: »

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Step 1 - eliminate wealth
Step 2 - ?????
Step 3 - profit


What I find most funny about these people is that they seem to have no grasp is how unpopular they and their policies are. They live in a complete fantasy land.

Buford T Justice

k_mac wrote: »

What I find most funny about these people is that they seem to have no grasp is how unpopular they and their policies are. They live in a complete fantasy land.

Rather like our present incumbents, one would think. At least we have the option to keep these ones out

GarlicBread

Well, we have had about 90 years right wing governments and hard conservatism and incase anyone hasnt noticed the place is in complete ****.Its time for a change me thinks.Olli Rein was talking about us in secret and who was the only person to stand up for us and walk out????????

BluntGuy

Reduce the working week without loss of pay and create tens of thousands of jobs by sharing out the work.

Artificially creating redundant jobs has no social benefits and is not a valid solution to our current problems.

The working week is fine, what's needed is actual jobs! Okay, they've got some vague proposals for investing in social infrastructure such as;

like public transport, green energy projects, broadband, child care, schools, hospitals, health centres and other community facilities.

What public transport? What green energy projects? What kind of health centres? How many?

There's just no substance to any of this. We need a genuine thought-out alternative. Not a party banking on people's anger. It's as bad as banking on people's greed.

It's all "what" and no "how". Unfortunately monopoly money doesn't pay for things.

Permabear

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population

BluntGuy wrote: »

Artificially creating redundant jobs has no social benefits and is not a valid solution to our current problems.

This. I live in one of the most economically depressed regions of Europe where the chances of real employment for young people are slim to non existent due to reasons too varied to discuss fully on this thread. However if I may give you a cautionary tale.

There is a school supply/stationary centre close to where I live with 3 floors contained within the building. I went to the top floor and picked up a box of staples and went to walk downstairs to pay for them at the cash register. I was called back by an employee who took the staples from me and wrote a docket, he then gave the staples to another guy behind him who bagged up the staples, wrote another docket and placed them into a service elevator. They told me to go down to the cash register. I went down and there was another guy manning the lift at the other end. He read the docket, compared it to mine and gave the staples to the guy at the register who then took the money and gave me the staples. 4 people to do the job of 1. The process takes forever and essentially there are literally millions of people in Italy employed in non jobs paying practically nothing. But it is easier for government etc to encourage this rather than provide the groundwork for actual efficient dynamic businesses to start up and thrive and contribute something meaningful to the exchequer.

In summation, economic policy based on creating non jobs is essentially non policy.

MagicSean

GarlicBread wrote: »

Well, we have had about 90 years right wing governments and hard conservatism and incase anyone hasnt noticed the place is in complete ****.Its time for a change me thinks.Olli Rein was talking about us in secret and who was the only person to stand up for us and walk out????????

How is walking away standing up for us. Please don't glorify that man as some kind of hero.

amacachi

Wibbs wrote: »

Right so who decides the "need". Yea I can imagine. Motherland grey aran sweaters for all, shoddy bolts for everyone else(nuts to come later comrades).

If only there was some way for people to show what they need to buy and the importance of different goods to them. Maybe if they had something they could exchange for goods and services which would be priced and produced according to demand. I can't think of such a system though. :pac:

donegalfella wrote: »

Actually, we've had Fianna Fáil routinely snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with its populist spending sprees. Back in 1978, its mad spending produced a budget deficit of 17.6 percent of GDP, which held the record for developed countries for the period 1970-2008 (per the IMF). Now, FF has outdone itself, giving us a 2010 budget deficit of 32 percent of GDP. It racked up a national debt of €90 billion before its borrowing was choked off by the bond markets. We now await an IMF/EU bailout.

I don't exactly know what is "right-wing" or "conservative" about this. You might not approve of conservatives' distaste for funding social programs and public services, but they do tend to keep a tighter fiscal rein on things.

In Fairness the real left would probably be just as responsible as the real right when it comes to balancing the books. Unfortunately there's no right in Ireland and the left is a purely reactionary group. All we have is populist tripe and it's that which leads to massive debt.

GarlicBread

k_mac wrote: »

How is walking away standing up for us. Please don't glorify that man as some kind of hero.

And the other 13 MEPs sat there and agreed to confidentiality when they are supposed to be fighting our corner, however ****ty a corner it may be, they are there because of our votes and they basically agreed to lie to us even further.

I dont have a problem with Olli covering his own ass, but our MEPs should be covering our asses.

Count Dooku

http://www.unitedleftalliance.org/programme-of-the-united-left-alliance-building-a-real-political-alternative/

Our elected TDs will give full support to those unions and workers who oppose the Croke Park deal and will use the Dail to raise the real issues that affect ordinary working people.

Finally, militant CPSU clerks got their own political wing

Reduce the working week without loss of pay and create tens of thousands of jobs by sharing out the work.

Who will pay for that?

We demand real jobs and a reversal of all the cuts in social welfare and benefit payments.

Who will create real jobs if most of business will have only choice go for bankruptcy when ULA will get into power

Amhran Nua

k_mac wrote: »

What I find most funny about these people is that they seem to have no grasp is how unpopular they and their policies are. They live in a complete fantasy land.

They're operating step by step out of their own hard left playbook. Create diverse and publicly appealing organisations, indoctrinate, then consolidate into one. I'm not sure how many of them are applying the SWP tithe or related party financial contributions, but I'm guessing this has a lot to do with the way they don't apparently care about public opinion.

uprising2

http://www.unitedleftalliance.org/

Now this looks like my type of vote, a break from the FF>>FG>>FF>>FG>>FF relay we've been looking at for as long as I can remember.
People are calling for Fianna Fail's public execution and rightly so, but for what?, to get that prick Enda Kenny into the hot seat, he's just another yesman, different badge, he'll promise the earth, moon stars and his granny, and deliver fukk all.

This country needs change fast and a govt with balls, our resources need to be taken back to benefit the people, not the likes of Shell and other big business that doesn't give 2 fukks who it sh1ts on.
A leader of this country would tell shell to get the boat and get back to holland asap, then hire the appropriate companies to drill, tap and pipe the gas, then when that is done, pay them and tell them nothing else is required, off yiz go, safe home, and use whats ours for us the people.

People power cannot be stopped if there is enough conviction and determination, we cannot sit back and tell our children there was nothing we could do, sorry, its now or never.

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Ren2k7

There's already a thread on this topic here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056100849

sceptre

Merged with existing thread mentioned by Ren2k7 above. If people could do even a cursory check to see whether there's an existing very recent active thread discussing what they want to talk about, that'd be mighty cool, as well as a timesaver, thanks.

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