Puppy farm raided today

andreac

Here is a link to the puppy farm that was raided today in this country.

It might make people think twice about where and how they buy their puppies:(

http://www.ispca.ie/

teacherspet

so so sad

liah

Those poor little souls. I can't watch the video, I get choked up just looking at rescue animals, I'd be in bits by the end of it

Well done to those who took part in the raid and rescue of those animals. That's a lot of lives saved; not just the immediate ones, but generations' worth.

Sadly it's only a drop in the bucket.. but it's a step in the right direction.

lrushe

andreac wrote: »

It might make people think twice about where and how they buy their puppies:(

I fear in a society where people want cute pups cheap and instantly video like this may not have a huge impact on them. People can be great at closing their eyes to things they don't want to see which is sad when you see the suffering the parent dogs go through:(

Cherry Blossom

I think it's important to add to this thread that it's highly unlikely that any potential buyers would be taken to that place which is the true conditions these dogs were forced to live in. They would probably have been taken into a family home and put in a lovely clean dog bed and made a fuss over for purposes of selling them! :mad: Just another reason to highlight the importance of doing your research and actively seeking out a reputable breeder as opposed to answering an advert!

IvySlayer

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

I think it's important to add to this thread that it's highly unlikely that any potential buyers would be taken to that place which is the true conditions these dogs were forced to live in. They would probably have been taken into a family home and put in a lovely clean dog bed and made a fuss over for purposes of selling them! :mad: Just another reason to highlight the importance of doing your research and actively seeking out a reputable breeder as opposed to answering an advert!

Yup. Those websites like donedeal, have both good and bad breeders. Don't be fooled by cute pictures of them on a cushion on a chair. They could be locked up in a cage 24/7.

Always meet the breeder, look at the pups parents, look at their living space.

wolfpawnat

This is also good as it will insure that too closely bred pups are neutered and prevent the increased chances of cancer and other diseases!

But adrenaline junkie is right, they will have the pups and often an unrelated healthy looking b!tch with them.

Thats what happened us, only I asked to see the dog as well, because she claimed to have both parents. She went to retrieve the "father" and she left the door open to the garden, a measily looking little thing all skin and bone came in and all the pups went over suckling off her. It was their mother and they weren't even weaned. Out the door we could see about 10-15 dogs in small cages and in terrible condition!

We left and reported the cow immediately!

lrushe

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Thats what happened us, only I asked to see the dog as well, because she claimed to have both parents. She went to retrieve the "father"

TBH this should have been the first thing to set alarm bells off in your head, most reputable breeders won't have the father of the pups on their property as most don't own a stud dog, it's really only puppy farmers or bybs who will have both parents so they can breed litter after litter, it would be rare to find both parents in the home of a good breeder.

themacdaddy

wolfpawnat wrote: »

We left and reported the cow immediately!

Do you think your report was followed up? Just wondering as to what can happen to these people if they were visited by the authorites.

lorebringer

Just posted a duplicate thread (bugger!). These places are everywhere, disgusting and duping people. Puppies are a money maker for the sick people who run them. In this day and age Ireland should have an inspection program for breeders, ALL breeders. So many people fool themselves into thinking "my dog didn't come from a place like that" or "I was saving the puppy from the puppy farm" - it doesn't matter how, why or who they sell puppies to, as long as the breeders sell pups they are happy.

They deserve to die screaming, and even then it would only be a drop in the ocean of all the pain they have caused.

wolfpawnat

lrushe wrote: »

TBH this should have been the first thing to set alarm bells off in your head, most reputable breeders won't have the father of the pups on their property as most don't own a stud dog, it's really only puppy farmers or bybs who will have both parents so they can breed litter after litter, it would be rare to find both parents in the home of a good breeder.

I kept both the b!itch and the dog on my property. But it was not intended for intensive breeding! Just the one or two litters,

She had one litter at 4 and another at 6 and I neutered her after that! She was having too many pups per litter, her body condition after the second lot was so bad I swore I would not allow it again!

themacdaddy wrote: »

Do you think your report was followed up? Just wondering as to what can happen to these people if they were visited by the authorites.

I hope so, I read a bit in the paper (The Evening Echo) about a place being shut down in that area soon after! I really hope it was her!

lrushe

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I kept both the b!itch and the dog on my property. But it was not intended for intensive breeding! Just the one or two litters,

If you bred both these dogs together because they compliamented each others flaw therefore helping to ensure the subsequent pups were better examples of their breed than their parents than that is fine, most breeders have to search wide and far to find a stud that will do this for their bitch that is why the father of the pups is rarely on the breeders property.

BYBs and puppy farmers however breed two dogs together for no more reason than they are the same breed and would produce purebreed pups.

wolfpawnat

lrushe wrote: »

If you bred both these dogs together because they compliamented each others flaw therefore helping to ensure the subsequent pups were better examples of their breed than their parents than that is fine, most breeders have to search wide and far to find a stud that will do this for their bitch that is why the father of the pups is rarely on the breeders property.

BYBs and puppy farmers however breed two dogs together for no more reason than they are the same breed and would produce purebreed pups.

Both of my guys had their papers. They had loving, caring personalities and were great pets! It was sheer accident I got the dog at all. His owner wanted him while he was a cute puppy. Then he turned into a dog and they realised though he was a small breed, it was not a breed they wanted. I was offered him for a reasonable price. I took him for a night to see how he fitted with my dog. They curled up together immediately and I knew they perfect together.

All pups were chipped, IKC registered AND vaccinated before leaving my charge! I also inspected every house they went to. I demanded that I deliver each of them, but brought mum and dad with us for the spin if they were requested. I have declined €300 a pup and went for €200 instead pending the person!

All pups are still alive and well and are well settled! And one is a very handsome stud fella now! So proud

A responsible breeder will also have the decency to allow a b!tch at least a year off after having pups. Mine had 2 years in between! Their bodies need the break too!

adser53

I'm a builder that does work for a certain county council and today had to go to inspect a problem in a house. So in I went and under the stairs was a litter of pups about 4-5 weeks old. Mammy dog was out the back. I asked what the story was she said "Oh they'll be ready to go next week or so, their mams out the back" the father just belonged to a friend. She proceeded to tell me she used to have 2 dogs that were rescued from a puppy farm and that were intensively bred to their ruin. On one hand she was giving out about the farms but wasnt doing a better job herself

Cherry Blossom

Ok, I'm going to quote this post here before I comment on it as I think one thread on Puppy farms is sufficient.

kakee wrote: »

Please watch this video and decide if the puppy you are about to buy is happy and healthy, or did it come from a place like these ones. Ireland is the puppy farming capital of Europe apparantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKoolN44ZE

Seriously, wtf is wrong with RTE?!?! They actually use Canine Ireland as an authority on responsible breeding One of those places is less than 20 miles from my house and they are raising puppies like battery chickens. All come KC registered and from 'champion bloodlines'. Their prices are from £400 Stg upwards depending on breed for a completely unsocialised puppy that has never seen outside of it's pen never mind the light of day :mad: This week they have listed 9 different breeds of puppies ready to go on christmas week in the local newspaper, there are neither words nor smilies that exist to express what I want to here!!!

Thats very sad , but lets hope they all get good homes now .

wolfpawnat

Am I the only one to notice most dogs in these situations are all breeds from a Cavvy King Charles down!

adser53

Thats cos the toy breeds are bigger sellers for the cutesy factor and not everyone has the space for a larger breed. I think most of them are bought for kids cos the parents think smaller dogs need less in terms of food, excercise and space. Plus, and I may be wrong,from the farmers perspective they have bigger litters, sell for mad money, are cheaper to birth and care for than larger breeds and they can have more dogs in one place. You'll never see them farming dogs like bulldogs or dogue de bordeauxs because the vet bills for c-section births would be too big, thevve less pups to sell and a smaller market of potential buyers.

adser53

Sorry, forgot to add that they're scum too

lorebringer

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Am I the only one to notice most dogs in these situations are all breeds from a Cavvy King Charles down!

All the "designer" breeds are very popular in recent times and because Cavaliers have such a good temperament and are good with kids Cavalier mixed are very common. Cavalier bitches are also very good mothers, so from a puppy farmers point of view they will raise the pups without much input and they will have a good "end product" So 90% of the time in these mixes the mother will be a Cavalier and the father will be another small breed (Bichon, Westie etc.).

For obvious reasons, smaller breeds are easier to keep in a puppy farm - the more adult dogs one can fit into X area, the more pups that are going to be produced. Bitches can get quite aggressive when they have pups and a smaller bitch is much easier to handle than a large one. Although, most bitches in these situations are so sh!t scared that they don't know what to do other than care for pups. On the current market, that is a bigger demand for smaller dogs and breeding to suit demand is what this scum do best.

Very sad. I cannot understand how someone could have a large breeding establishment and think that it is being run well with only a few people looking after hundreds of dogs - the maths does not add up on the welfare front. I am still shocked that so many people do not know what puppy farms/puppy mills are, or what goes on in these places. I cannot express the anger I feel over the subject in words but as I said before - they all deserve to die screaming.

wolfpawnat

adser53 wrote: »

Thats cos the toy breeds are bigger sellers for the cutesy factor and not everyone has the space for a larger breed. I think most of them are bought for kids cos the parents think smaller dogs need less in terms of food, excercise and space. Plus, and I may be wrong,from the farmers perspective they have bigger litters, sell for mad money, are cheaper to birth and care for than larger breeds and they can have more dogs in one place. You'll never see them farming dogs like bulldogs or dogue de bordeauxs because the vet bills for c-section births would be too big, thevve less pups to sell and a smaller market of potential buyers.

Yes, I noticed when I was selling my dogs pups there was a large number of their breed for sale. The startling contrast in price was mad though. I sold mine for €200-€250, papers, microchip and vaccinations inclusive. As well as a bag of the food they were on when I was selling them. I arrived to the door with the dogs and their parents and allowed the potential owners to choose the puppy of their liking and telling them that particular puppies traits.

One lovely elderly couple told me I was the fourth person they rang and not only were my prices the most reasonable ( I was not in it for financial gain) but I was the only one to talk to them about what they wanted from a breed.

But my dog had 2 litters. One of 4 and one of 7. After the 7 I was terrified she could die if she ever had anymore an neutered her.

According to my housemate (vet student) is it correct to say Bulldogs need AI'd these days?

Cherry Blossom

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Am I the only one to notice most dogs in these situations are all breeds from a Cavvy King Charles down!

They aren't all, the ad I have in front of me lists the following:

Yorkshire Terriers
King Charles Cavalier - 2 litters
Cocker Spaniels
Pugs
English Bulldogs
Sammoyds
Siberian Huskeys
German Shephard
Japanese Akita

lorebringer

wolfpawnat wrote: »

According to my housemate (vet student) is it correct to say Bulldogs need AI'd these days?

Not all but quite a lot, most even. Because of their exaggerated body shape they have problems mating so artificial insemination is the only option for quite a lot. C-sections are also common place for Bulldogs due to their huge head. It's more rare not to have a C-section with this breed.

andreac

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Yes, I noticed when I was selling my dogs pups there was a large number of their breed for sale. The startling contrast in price was mad though. I sold mine for €200-€250, papers, microchip and vaccinations inclusive. As well as a bag of the food they were on when I was selling them. I arrived to the door with the dogs and their parents and allowed the potential owners to choose the puppy of their liking and telling them that particular puppies traits.

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No offence, but i would actually run a mile from someone who wanted to sell a puppy like this. I always insist people visit the home of the breeder and see where the pups have been reared etc and their environment.

Do you allow people to come and visit your home and see the pups there or do you only deliver pups? If i came across a breeder that wanted to deliver pups instead of coming to the breeders home it would make me wonder why cant i go visit where they are being reared and what has the breeder got to hide. Just my opinion...

wolfpawnat

andreac wrote: »

No offence, but i would actually run a mile from someone who wanted to sell a puppy like this. I always insist people visit the home of the breeder and see where the pups have been reared etc and their environment.

Do you allow people to come and visit your home and see the pups there or do you only deliver pups? If i came across a breeder that wanted to deliver pups instead of coming to the breeders home it would make me wonder why cant i go visit where they are being reared and what has the breeder got to hide. Just my opinion...

Oh of course. Potential buyers were always more than welcome to my door. The reason it was usually easier for me to go to them as I lived several miles back from Dingle out in the middle of farm land. But in the instances where a person came to my door, I would be concerned about the living area they had planned for the pup. On more than one occasion they would go away again and I would drop the pup to them when it was old enough! I would not sell a pup under 10 weeks!

I understand where you are coming from, they could not guarantee I was not a puppy farmer, but if you saw where I lived the problem was they had too much space. We were surrounded by fields I also kept them in our back kitchen, not outdoors. I always felt puppies should be kept indoors unless you have the correct facilities for them outside!

D e e

I just sent the ISPCA an email about volunteering. I have been thinking about it for the past few weeks and now I know they need the help more than ever!

lrushe

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Both of my guys had their papers. They had loving, caring personalities and were great pets!

No offence but even dogs from puppy farms can have IKC regs and make loving, caring pets.

wolfpawnat wrote: »

All pups were chipped, IKC registered AND vaccinated before leaving my charge!

This is good, were the parents health tested also and screened for compatibility? Were the pups endorsed so they don't produce pups indiscriminately in the future.
Not having a go but these are the things I would ask if I were buying a pup from you and what anyone buying a purebred dog should also ask to ensure they are not fueling puppy farms or bybs

wolfpawnat wrote: »

All pups are still alive and well and are well settled! !

Once again I am glad to hear this and I'm glad you keep in touch with all the new owners as these dogs are your responsiblity for the rest of their lives even if owned by someome else, it's your job to ensure they never end up in a shelter or puppy farmers shed.
My 3 dogs came with a sales contract stating that if I can no longer look after my dogs they go back to the breeder for rehoming, they will never end up in a shelther.
With the economic climate the way it is at the moment all good breeders should be aware that they could v.likely end up with several of their dogs coming back to them.

wolfpawnat

lrushe wrote: »

This is good, were the parents health tested also and screened for compatibility? Were the pups endorsed so they don't produce pups indiscriminately in the future.
Not having a go but these are the things I would ask if I were buying a pup from you and what anyone buying a purebred dog should also ask to ensure they are not fueling puppy farms or bybs

Don't worry, I am not taking offence, I understand your questions are not attacking just curious to how I cared for my animals:)

I had 3 dogs. Male and female Yorkies and a male Cocker Spaniel (who was neutered. I did not plan on my Yorkie having pups. She did not go into heat once in 4 years so I assumed she was barren. But one day when she was sitting on my lap the male was sniffing at her mad. So I brought her to the vet. He said she was in heat. Since he knew us from bringing our dogs in for check ups he suggested that if we wanted to breed pups both dogs were fine specimens with conformation. He took blood from both and suggested we keep all 3 dogs separate for the few days! So Benson got the back kitchen as he was neutered. Kerri got to stay with me indoors so not to get pregnant, and poor Tiny had to stay out in the kennel!

When she then went into heat again we had all the paperwork and allowed her and Tiny to have the back kitchen to themselves (all they were missing was Barry White Music! ) When the four pups were born they were all brought to the vet and okayed. They were loved and well looked after the whole time they were with us. Then the usual vaccines, microchipping etc! When they were sold their vaccination cards went with them!

The exact same with the second litter only I made sure she didn't have a litter for 2 years! And after she gave birth to 7 I decided it was too much for her and as soon as she gained condition again I had her neutered!

lrushe wrote: »

Once again I am glad to hear this and I'm glad you keep in touch with all the new owners as these dogs are your responsiblity for the rest of their lives even if owned by someome else, it's your job to ensure they never end up in a shelter or puppy farmers shed.
My 3 dogs came with a sales contract stating that if I can no longer look after my dogs they go back to the breeder for rehoming, they will never end up in a shelther.
With the economic climate the way it is at the moment all good breeders should be aware that they could v.likely end up with several of their dogs coming back to them.

I wish I thought of that! Thats genius, I should suggest that when I am in contact with owners next. Just tell them if times get too hard I will take them to rehome!

kaiser sauze

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Ok, I'm going to quote this post here before I comment on it as I think one thread on Puppy farms is sufficient.



Seriously, wtf is wrong with RTE?!?! They actually use Canine Ireland as an authority on responsible breeding One of those places is less than 20 miles from my house and they are raising puppies like battery chickens. All come KC registered and from 'champion bloodlines'. Their prices are from £400 Stg upwards depending on breed for a completely unsocialised puppy that has never seen outside of it's pen never mind the light of day :mad: This week they have listed 9 different breeds of puppies ready to go on christmas week in the local newspaper, there are neither words nor smilies that exist to express what I want to here!!!

I'm horrified after watching that video. When was it broadcast?

I cannot believe that a breeder went on air and claimed it was OK to incarcerate dogs for their entire lives "because they know no better". Then you have the aul fella with the dirty shitholes for kennels saying that his dogs get out "about 3 times a week!"

It is people like those that give people like discodog a bad impression of people like me.