Tipperary North election thread

Monty Burnz

beagga wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest has he done something to you personally?

And no I'm not a big Lowry supporter or anything it just seems every post from you here has some sort of name calling about him and hence you have caught my curiosity.

Yeah - he cost me as a taxpayer a fortune with his corrupt dealings. He's a disgrace to Irish politics and the good people of Tipperary have disgraced themselves again by voting him in. :mad:

Monty Burnz

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yeah - he cost me as a taxpayer a fortune with his corrupt dealings. He's a disgrace to Irish politics and the good people of Tipperary have disgraced themselves again by voting him in. :mad:

Totally agree with you. A total crook but i think the Irish voter has alot to answer for. Good to see Alan Kelly get in though.

Cat Melodeon

Monty Burnz wrote: »

He's a disgrace to Irish politics and the good people of Tipperary have disgraced themselves again by voting him in. :mad:

Well, at least the good people of Tipperary voted out Fianna Fail since the first time in the party's formation. As I posted elsewhere, give us a chance, we're changing, one monolith at a time.

I am delighted Alan Kelly got in. Really hope he turns out to be the breath of fresh air the county needs.

beagga

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yeah - he cost me as a taxpayer a fortune with his corrupt dealings. He's a disgrace to Irish politics and the good people of Tipperary have disgraced themselves again by voting him in. :mad:

Ok fair enough, Have you posted in every other politicial thread that no one should vote for FF, Greens, Healy-rae, etc as lets not forget that he didn't do it alone.
Being honest they were all on the gravy train for a long time, limos across airports, helicopters here and there, unneeded junkets, new hairdo's, etc etc etc.

beagga

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

I am delighted Alan Kelly got in. Really hope he turns out to be the breath of fresh air the county needs.

Well he certainly did the talking before the voting, Lets hope he can now deliver.

Shazanne

Not the most exciting Count ever in North Tipp but at the end of the day we got the best three so that's something. And if FG opt for Labour we'll have two strong reps and if they opt for Independents we will likely have the same so overall a good day for North Tipp. Well done to all who voted - it's their victory.

beagga

beagga wrote: »

Ok fair enough, Have you posted in every other politicial thread that no one should vote for FF, Greens, Healy-rae, etc as lets not forget that he didn't do it alone.
Being honest they were all on the gravy train for a long time, limos across airports, helicopters here and there, unneeded junkets, new hairdo's, etc etc etc.

Would totally agree with you 100% there is loads of them in this country in all parties.
Lowry would be pushing for a champions league spot in that league table though.

Monty Burnz

beagga wrote: »

Ok fair enough, Have you posted in every other politicial thread that no one should vote for FF, Greens, Healy-rae, etc as lets not forget that he didn't do it alone.
Being honest they were all on the gravy train for a long time, limos across airports, helicopters here and there, unneeded junkets, new hairdo's, etc etc etc.

Yeah, I did try to steer folks away from Fianna Failure and the Vegetables. And when I talk about his corruption that cost taxpayers a fortune, I'm actually referring to the time before he was kicked out of FG for corruption, taking bribes from Ben Dunne for sure and giving an amazing sweetheart deal to Denis O'Brien that made him a billionaire with Esat Digiphone. Those are just the corrupt dealings that are public, god knows what else he got up to since. In any proper country, Lowry would be in prison, not in the parliament.

beagga

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yeah, I did try to steer folks away from Fianna Failure and the Vegetables.

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Monty Burnz wrote: »

And when I talk about his corruption that cost taxpayers a fortune, I'm actually referring to the time before he was kicked out of FG for corruption, taking bribes from Ben Dunne for sure and giving an amazing sweetheart deal to Denis O'Brien that made him a billionaire with Esat Digiphone. Those are just the corrupt dealings that are public, god knows what else he got up to since. In any proper country, Lowry would be in prison, not in the parliament.

I don't disagree with you, Its that I think he gets singled out for what he has done which costs us the taxpayer money.
We have politicans claiming travelling expenses from houses that they don't live in, taking the government jet with family members on board to unneeded junkets, using the government helicopter to open an off licences, having fences built on private grounds at councils expense, getting expensive hairdressers to come to their expensively priced hotel rooms, etc etc.
This also in turn is costing us, the taxpayers a fortune.

EDIT: Oh and prison for them my ass, they've cost us enough as it is, a deserted island somewhere and let them fend for themselves

tipptom

beagga wrote: »

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I don't disagree with you, Its that I think he gets singled out for what he has done which costs us the taxpayer money.
We have politicans claiming travelling expenses from houses that they don't live in, taking the government jet with family members on board to unneeded junkets, using the government helicopter to open an off licences, having fences built on private grounds at councils expense, getting expensive hairdressers to come to their expensively priced hotel rooms, etc etc.
This also in turn is costing us, the taxpayers a fortune.

EDIT: Oh and prison for them my ass, they've cost us enough as it is, a deserted island somewhere and let them fend for themselves

All true,the differance is they were all turfed out with good riddance by the people while lowry was given the highest vote in munster.

beagga

tipptom wrote: »

All true,the differance is they were all turfed out with good riddance by the people while lowry was given the highest vote in munster.

I wouldn't say 'all', but a fair majority of them got the road alright.
And of course the other difference between Lowry and the rest is he paid his tax bill(eventually) while I'm of the opinion that any politician that wastes taxpayers money should also be made pay it back. That might put a stop to a lot of it.

tipptom

beagga wrote: »

I wouldn't say 'all', but a fair majority of them got the road alright.
And of course the other difference between Lowry and the rest is he paid his tax bill(eventually) while I'm of the opinion that any politician that wastes taxpayers money should also be made pay it back. That might put a stop to a lot of it.

Well,he had no choice to pay it after he was caught, as you have to be tax compliant to hold a seat and the tax man was going to get his money anyway so i dont think it was michael saying i must do this because its the right thing to do,most of what he does is imo what is right for michael and that permeates down to his supporters,by what is right and can be done for them rather than the country.Massive first pref though,biggest in munster.I didnt vote FG but to be fair i dont think Enda Kenny will put up with what went on in the last gov,i would say they will be very honest that way.Btw,I think michael "the stroke"Fahey is still a counciller in Galway.

doomed

Weird result.

Ireland votes massively against FF and their coalition partners who propped them up because they thought it was the responsible thing to do. At the same time we vote in massive numbers for the worst kind of opportunist parish pump politician who, in addition to all of his other attributes, supported FF all the way.

Lessons learnt: cousins have to stop marrying each other.

mikemac

Was looking at the RTÉ wbsite. Tipp North and Tipp South are the only ares in Ireland where independents got the highest 1st preference in votes

We're different anyway, not saying if that's good or bad

feelingstressed

feelingstressed wrote: »

Was looking at the RTÉ wbsite. Tipp North and Tipp South are the only ares in Ireland where independents got the highest 1st preference in votes

We're different anyway, not saying if that's good or bad

They also have FG as highest pref in West Galway, although Eamon O'Cuiv got the most votes there. They are right in both the Tipp's case but you couldn't trust them 100%

Monty Burnz

Deleted User wrote: »

They also have FG as highest pref in West Galway, although Eamon O'Cuiv got the most votes there. They are right in both the Tipp's case but you couldn't trust them 100%

O'Cuiv got most votes for a single candidate, but which party got the most first preferences?

Monty Burnz

Monty Burnz wrote: »

O'Cuiv got most votes for a single candidate, but which party got the most first preferences?

Oh right yeah i see what you mean. i thought it was the candidate with the most first preferences. silly me

Road-Hog

I tired to ask this question on another site and my post got deleted so I'll try it here again. Can anyone in North Tipp explain to me why Mr Lowry is held in such high esteem......as has been pointed out here already in other countries he would be facing prison rather than being in the Dail for some of the things he's been up to......what does he do 'on the ground' that galvanises the local's support, one would have thought that his assoication with that most toxic of brands i.e. soldiers of destiny would have cost him some amount of votes like wise with Mr healy rae but no the pair of them almost top the poles........?

tipptom

Road-Hog wrote: »

I tired to ask this question on another site and my post got deleted so I'll try it here again. Can anyone in North Tipp explain to me why Mr Lowry is held in such high esteem......as has been pointed out here already in other countries he would be facing prison rather than being in the Dail for some of the things he's been up to......what does he do 'on the ground' that galvanises the local's support, one would have thought that his assoication with that most toxic of brands i.e. soldiers of destiny would have cost him some amount of votes like wise with Mr healy rae but no the pair of them almost top the poles........?

Hey,this is our democracy,it wont do you any good beating your self up over it,a labour guy was saying to me the other day, that there might be a by election in north tipp yet,i think wishful thinking even though there is going to be bad reports coming out but even though there is politicians going to jail in england for expenses, in our country its ok,what great little country.
Was looking at the polls for differant townslands,FF vote still held up in a lot of areas,will give you a breakdown if you want to come out of the closet

Road-Hog

tipptom wrote: »

Hey,this is our democracy,it wont do you any good beating your self up over it,a labour guy was saying to me the other day, that there might be a by election in north tipp yet,i think wishful thinking even though there is going to be bad reports coming out but even though there is politicians going to jail in england for expenses, in our country its ok,what great little country.
Was looking at the polls for differant townslands,FF vote still held up in a lot of areas,will give you a breakdown if you want to come out of the closet

I'm merely querying why Lowry is so popular with North Tipp people, I've not asked anything about FF. No doubt its the usual stuff as in attendance at funerals, medical cards, pot hole filling all parochical things while we're going through the most serious of recessions/depressions since 1929.......also don't understand why you think I'm beating myself up over this or that I should come out of the closet

tipptom

Road-Hog wrote: »

I'm merely querying why Lowry is so popular with North Tipp people, I've not asked anything about FF. No doubt its the usual stuff as in attendance at funerals, medical cards, pot hole filling all parochical things while we're going through the most serious of recessions/depressions since 1929.......also don't understand why you think I'm beating myself up over this or that I should come out of the closet

I think you are picking me up wrong,im not critisizing you at all here,if you read through my posts you will see i am probably his most vocal critic and im certainly not saying you are FF,i was just saying i had results from individual polling stations if anybody wanted to know their results,FF thing was just a joke and as for your post being deleted and me saying not to beat yourself up over it,i think you are a bit over sensitive to what i said.
Pime time are doing a programme thursday night on Lowry and his involvment with this casino being an agent for (guess what) A BIG BUISNESSMAN.

Cat Melodeon

Road-Hog wrote: »

I'm merely querying why Lowry is so popular with North Tipp people, I've not asked anything about FF. No doubt its the usual stuff as in attendance at funerals, medical cards, pot hole filling all parochical things while we're going through the most serious of recessions/depressions since 1929.......also don't understand why you think I'm beating myself up over this or that I should come out of the closet

He's a good politician, simple as that. He has a good rapport with his supporters, has a well organised team working in local government who do all the pot-hole filling/medical card stuff and pass the credit on to Lowry himself. He has strong links with the business and voluntary sector in the county, he has pulled way above his weight in the Dail for years, achieving coups like the last minute negotiations on the pension cuts before the passing of the last Budget.

His supporters see him as a victim - he was caught rotten over the Dunne affair but has paid back all taxes due. There is a bit of a siege mentality too - people either love him or hate him and there are so many haters that the supporters will stick by him unto death.

And try not to tar all Tipperary voters with the same brush. Over 70% of us DIDN'T vote for him, including myself (Labour woman).

MinnyMinor

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

He's a good politician, simple as that. He has a good rapport with his supporters, has a well organised team working in local government who do all the pot-hole filling/medical card stuff and pass the credit on to Lowry himself. He has strong links with the business and voluntary sector in the county, he has pulled way above his weight in the Dail for years, achieving coups like the last minute negotiations on the pension cuts before the passing of the last Budget.

His supporters see him as a victim - he was caught rotten over the Dunne affair but has paid back all taxes due. There is a bit of a siege mentality too - people either love him or hate him and there are so many haters that the supporters will stick by him unto death.

And try not to tar all Tipperary voters with the same brush. Over 70% of us DIDN'T vote for him, including myself (Labour woman).

lowry cannot get a med card for someone not deserving. if he claims he can he can he is a crook, no surprise there.Anyone who runs to him for a med card deserves the crook they believe in

tipptom

Phew,mr lowry was fairly sensitive to being asked last night about mr Quirke not wanting to be interviewed,"why should he talk to the likes of you".
For a fellow who started of the programme like a paid pr rep/auctioneer showing where everything was going,he then practically pulled back from the whole project when he was asked if he should be associated with it given his past history,and from a fellow who proclaims to be so close and a good friend wouldnt you think he would make sure he was earnig his money legally but i suppose that was never a priority of Michaels.

Cat Melodeon

MinnyMinor wrote: »

lowry cannot get a med card for someone not deserving. if he claims he can he can he is a crook, no surprise there.Anyone who runs to him for a med card deserves the crook they believe in

Some people are incapable of filling in any kind of a form and they appreciate having someone to do it for them. That's what Lowry & his ilk do - fill in forms for folks and send them off to the civil servants who treat the applications the same as every other application they receive. When the card is granted they take the credit for it, if it isn't granted, they say "well we tried". It's not lying, but it's not exactly honest either. If people are silly enough not to know the difference between team Lowry providing information and secretarial services and team Lowry being able to influence public processes, there's not much that can be done for them and it's hardly surprising that the continue to vote for Mr Lowry.

I agree his performance was a bit contradictory on Prime Time. At one point he seemed a bit shaky, I wouldn't be surprised if it was supressed rage at the ongoing reference to his past frauds. He (and his supporters) see it as ancient history and would like everyone else to move on too. Don't think that's going to happen any time soon though. All public representatives need to understand that public life means public scrutiny - they are answerable to us.

tipptom

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

Some people are incapable of filling in any kind of a form and they appreciate having someone to do it for them. That's what Lowry & his ilk do - fill in forms for folks and send them off to the civil servants who treat the applications the same as every other application they receive. When the card is granted they take the credit for it, if it isn't granted, they say "well we tried". It's not lying, but it's not exactly honest either. If people are silly enough not to know the difference between team Lowry providing information and secretarial services and team Lowry being able to influence public processes, there's not much that can be done for them and it's hardly surprising that the continue to vote for Mr Lowry.

I agree his performance was a bit contradictory on Prime Time. At one point he seemed a bit shaky, I wouldn't be surprised if it was supressed rage at the ongoing reference to his past frauds. He (and his supporters) see it as ancient history and would like everyone else to move on too. Don't think that's going to happen any time soon though. All public representatives need to understand that public life means public scrutiny - they are answerable to us.

Yea,i would say it was a fairly frosty hand shake at the end,the interviewer stuck to his guns tbf to him when lowry tried the old"I have a 14,000 mandate",he was quick to flash back that the relavant authoritys dont care how many votes you got.Wonder will anybody act on the imformation that Dr Quirkys is earning his money illegally because he has no licesence to pay out on his slots in Dublin so therefore he is funding this project with illegal money mostly made of the backs of poor addicted gamblers and junkies,if you were ever in it you would know what i mean.I think also a most telling remark came from the head of the gaming association who said he would prefer if somone like Michael Lowry was not involved with the bid.

trebor28

north tipp had very few viable candidates yet again for people to vote for.

all the ff vote that went to hoctor etc over the last few elections dried up obviously enough as she done absolutely nothing for the area or the country, except embarrass herself.

coonan was voted in agian and didnt get nothing in the dail so you can see how highly he is regarded.

kelly said during the eu elections that it was a ploy just to run for general election next time round, and guess what here he is running for election in north tipp.

there was no one else of note.

lowry has been there and done that for the last number of years. he does more for the people of north tipp than simple filling potholes or getting medical cards.
i know of one prominent hardcore ff family whose father had cancer and was having trouble getting the right treatment and in a timely fashion.
lowry got the man into hospital for his treatment and he is still alive.
i doubt anyone in the family gave lowry a vote even after what he did, not even a 2nd or 3rd either i should think. one son was questioning the people of tipp only recently as to why they vote for him.

there are loads of stories like this, i am not saying it is right but this is a reason why he gets votes.

Lapin

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

I suppose Lowry will get in regardless of what he does...........he can do no wrong in the eyes of the believers.

It would appear that the phrase "never a truer word spoken" could apply to the very first sentence in this thread.

I'm not from North Tipp, but like many others, I'm baffled at how Lowry continues to poll so well there.

Question for the voters of North Tipp - If the general election was to be held tomorrow, would you vote for him again in such numbers given the events of the week just gone ?

tipptom

Lapin wrote: »

It would appear that the phrase "never a truer word spoken" could apply to the very first sentence in this thread.

I'm not from North Tipp, but like many others, I'm baffled at how Lowry continues to poll so well there.

Question for the voters of North Tipp - If the general election was to be held tomorrow, would you vote for him again in such numbers given the events of the week just gone ?

My sister was down in thurles for his endorsment meeting thursday night as a journalist,they had to wait outside the room the meeting went on,when Mr Lowry told them to go outside for the meeting their was an air of hostility as they were leaving as if some cult leader had just banished the devil.
Imo the answer to the question in your scenario could be that he might have increased his vote by another thousand.Sad but maybe true.

MinnyMinor

tipptom wrote: »

Phew,mr lowry was fairly sensitive to being asked last night about mr Quirke not wanting to be interviewed,"why should he talk to the likes of you".

where was this?