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26-11-2010 1:00pm#1
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There are 2 stages to the appeal process. Objections and then formally to An bord pleanala which is done after planning if the objections dont work and you still feel you have a valid case.
When any enitity puts in an application for planning anyone can make an objection in writing to the local planning authority. You can ring them or often it may be on line to get the details (planning ref no.) It costs around €20.00 (in louth anyway.)
You DONT nedd to appoint an architect or anyone else to do this if you have half a brain and can use the internet. There are loads of examples of well written letters and how to write them in a proffessional and disspassionate manner. (no ranting!)
You would need a significant amount of well written letters to make a dent in any planning process. However, you may well succeed in making the planners consider other variables such as noise, times of construction if in a residential area, traffic and pedestrian, cycling routes and access etc. Thus improving the overall quality of the final build. You may not o course....
If the planning does get accepted and you still feel objectionable then you can apply to An bord Pleanala only if you did the first objection) at a cost of around €150.00 You should take on proffessional advice for this as the cost alone requires a very serious effort.
Of course you can hire prof advice at any stage if you have the cash and desire. Dont let me stop you.
I have succeded in slowing down a local school expansion and making the planners request traffic and pedestrain/cycle routes for the estate, this may result in traffic lights being installed or a roundabout at the estate entrance so a little victory. better paths and crossings or speed control measures would also be welcome. No AT was employed, did it all myself
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Not entirely correct. These are two seperate procedures.There are 2 stages to the appeal process. Objections and then formally to An bord pleanala which is done after planning if the objections dont work and you still feel you have a valid case.
1. A submission or observation (formerlly known as an objection) is made to a Local Authority in relation to a planning application.
2. An appeal is made to Án Bord Pléanála on foot of a decision being made on a planning application by a Local Authority.
Step 2 cannot be made without first successfully completeing step 1.
As stated you make a submission or observation and yes it costs €20.When any enitity puts in an application for planning anyone can make an objection in writing to the local planning authority. You can ring them or often it may be on line to get the details (planning ref no.) It costs around €20.00 (in louth anyway.)
The last thing anyone wants is some generic rambling novel, which is supposed to stand as a valid submission. Any submission or observation being made should be relevant, concise and embody all of your concerns, employing someone to do this with you should ensure it is done correctly.You DONT nedd to appoint an architect or anyone else to do this if you have half a brain and can use the internet. There are loads of examples of well written letters and how to write them in a proffessional and disspassionate manner. (no ranting!)
Any amount of letters, however 'well written' they are, should not make any dent in the planning process.You would need a significant amount of well written letters to make a dent in any planning process.
All of these factors and many, many more should be considered during the design process as well as the planning process. However, I do accept that this is not always the case.However, you may well succeed in making the planners consider other variables such as noise, times of construction if in a residential area, traffic and pedestrian, cycling routes and access etc. Thus improving the overall quality of the final build. You may not o course....
The fee stated is not correct, there are a scale of fees available from Án Bord, the standard for a third party appeal for a single house development is €220.If the planning does get accepted and you still feel objectionable then you can apply to An bord Pleanala only if you did the first objection) at a cost of around €150.00 You should take on proffessional advice for this as the cost alone requires a very serious effort.
Making a non-vexatious appeal to articulate your concerns to Án Bord Pléanála through a professional if you feel the Local Authority has not listened to your concerns is not an issue to be scoffed at. However if you are a seriel appellant the fees may become rather strenuous.Of course you can hire prof advice at any stage if you have the cash and desire. Dont let me stop you.
Finally the light dawns, I notice you don't say,I have succeded in slowing down a local school expansion and making the planners request traffic and pedestrain/cycle routes for the estate,
I succeded in getting traffic lights installed, or
I succeded in getting a roundabout installed. No just,
I succeded in slowing down a local school expansion...
hardly a feat to be lauded.
Fortunate side effects which would probably have been conditioned in any case.this may result in traffic lights being installed or a roundabout at the estate entrance so a little victory. better paths and crossings or speed control measures would also be welcome.
Quite so;)No AT was employed, did it all myself0 -
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Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »Not entirely correct. These are two seperate procedures.
I did state thte there were 2 and the first was the the local authority and the second to ABP?1. A submission or observation (formerlly known as an objection) is made to a Local Authority in relation to a planning application.
2. An appeal is made to Án Bord Pléanála on foot of a decision being made on a planning application by a Local Authority.
Step 2 cannot be made without first successfully completeing step 1.
Said all this in my post.As stated you make a submission or observation and yes it costs €20.
correct?!?The last thing anyone wants is some generic rambling novel, which is supposed to stand as a valid submission. Any submission or observation being made should be relevant, concise and embody all of your concerns, employing someone to do this with you should ensure it is done correctly.
Like I said all letters should be written in a proffesional manner. Believe it or not some of us are capable of doing this without having to run for the golden pages. As I also said you can employ someone if you want. ONLY the objectioner can know how serious they are about any issue and so if they feel you really need help they will search it out I'm sure.The fee stated is not correct, there are a scale of fees available from Án Bord, the standard for a third party appeal for a single house development is €220.
OK fee, has gone up since I last checked. Obviously if your doing this you would check yourself and any hired help would advise and direct. Also I said AROUND not EXACTLY.Making a non-vexatious appeal to articulate your concerns to Án Bord Pléanála through a professional if you feel the Local Authority has not listened to your concerns is not an issue to be scoffed at. However if you are a seriel appellant the fees may become rather strenuous.
I never said it was !!!!!!! The reason why the cost is so high is so the ONLY people who have a grevious reason to make a further case do so. I never made light of this at any point.Finally the light dawns, I notice you don't say,
I succeded in getting traffic lights installed, or
I succeded in getting a roundabout installed. No just,
I succeded in slowing down a local school expansion...
hardly a feat to be lauded.
Finally your insult axe falls. No I have not succeded in any of this. I may of have a hand in helping to achieve it but it is still on hold pending information so yes none may come to pass and you can laugh as the residents of my estate have to put up with awful traffic and massive school in a small estate on the edge of fields if we fail. But at least I tried.
I dont want a medal or an award and I thought twice before even doing it because having been unemployed for a year €20 is a lot of money when you dont know how your going to pay for your next meal. BUT, the greater good of the community is worth more than that and I believe that good people should stand up and fight for it. Maybe if we had more people like me the Ireish landscae wouldn't riddled with awful estates and poor planning. 7 times the zoned retail space per capita than the UK and a legacy we have not yet fully been able to rationalise because the fallout of our poor planning is still several years in the future. Another ticking time bomb...wont spoil it for you.
Nothing may come of my objection but you should give others hope because in an era of proffesional doomsayers it's only going to be the positive that drives us forward. Sometimes that means standing up for each other and our local areas.0 -
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Mellor has cleared up most of what would have been my response but I would just like to add in relation to the fee for an appeal. If it is not correct the appeal may not be accepted as being valid, so it is important to get it exact.
Yes, that is the case. But, I submit that there are even more people who are not capable of making an appeal without the help of a professional.Like I said all letters should be written in a proffesional manner. Believe it or not some of us are capable of doing this without having to run for the golden pages.
I was responding to your own words in your previous postFinally your insult axe falls. No I have not succeded in any of this.I have succeded in slowing down a local school expansion and making the planners request traffic and pedestrain/cycle routes for the estate, this may result in traffic lights being installed or a roundabout at the estate entrance so a little victory.
I think I need to make myself very clear here.
The appeals process is a very necessary procedure to aid in the proper planning and sustainable development for an area, if and when a developer, a designer and a planner lose sight of the bigger picture and allow a development where it shouldn't be or refuse a development where it ought to be, then a member of the public can step forward, through the appeal process, and attempt to rectify that wrong.
I am in favour of the appeals procedure, I am not in favour of the abuse of the appeals procedure, where someone jumps in to upset/delay/stop a development just because they can. The final paragraph of your post No.5 on this thread, reads as though there is a vexatious element to your appeal, if that is not the case then my comment was acidic and consider it retracted.
We are well overdue a total overhaul of the planning system in this country, imo, a discussion for another thread.th awful estates and poor planning. 7 times the zoned retail space per capita than the UK and a legacy we have not yet fully been able to rationalise because the fallout of our poor planning is still several years in the future. Another ticking time bomb...wont spoil it for you.
Nothing may come of my objection but you should give others hope because in an era of proffesional doomsayers it's only going to be the positive that drives us forward. Sometimes that means standing up for each other and our local areas.0 -
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