Abandon ship or stay and struggle?

Moigno

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland and had the opportunity to move abroad to work in the same job you have here, would you do it?

As we're all well-aware, our taxes and our children's children's children's taxes will be used to pay for the epic financial f*ckups of others between now and kingdom come, and spending cuts will guarantee that we'll get nothing in return.

Wouldn't it be ideal to go live in a country where the majority of taxes will go towards worthwhile things, like health, education and shiny things? Or is doing one's patriotic duty and staying here to help the company to get back on it's feet The Right Thing to do?

Edit: can't add a poll for some reason...

listermint

Bah to this thread, Bah to your first 2 posts.

squod

People are still voting FF. Go now, it's you're only hope.

bonerm

Depends where abroad is? Are we talking somewhere sunny full of good looking women?

optogirl

Emigration has passed through my mind a bit over the previous weeks. At the moment situation is that I have a job however it is in sales so every month there is a target to reach which is getting harder and harder as there is no money out there. Not reaching targets consistently means job is not safe.

OH has gone back to college and is receiving no help from the State - has managed to get a few weeks work over Christmas which will help.

We are both 31 and are hoping to start a family within the next year but the thoughts of our children then having to emigrate to make a life for themselves is really heart-breaking.

Not sure where would be a good place to emigrate to - I have a lot of family here and I really don't want to emigrate as far as Australia or NZ. England is in a dire situation itself but perhaps holds more hope for a future. We are both upset and angry about how this country has gone down the tubes and how those who contributed least to the mess seem to be the ones paying for it however we both also love this country, its landscape, its people and its wit so would find it very difficult to leave.
Very hard to know what is the best thing to do.

optogirl

listermint wrote: »

Bah to this thread, Bah to your first 2 posts.

having a bad day?

Cookie_Monster

Moigno wrote: »

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland and had the opportunity to move abroad to work in the same job you have here, would you do it?

yep, the Poles can hold the fort here for us

jimthemental

optogirl wrote: »

Emigration has passed through my mind a bit over the previous weeks. At the moment situation is that I have a job however it is in sales so every month there is a target to reach which is getting harder and harder as there is no money out there. Not reaching targets consistently means job is not safe.

OH has gone back to college and is receiving no help from the State - has managed to get a few weeks work over Christmas which will help.

We are both 31 and are hoping to start a family within the next year but the thoughts of our children then having to emigrate to make a life for themselves is really heart-breaking.

Not sure where would be a good place to emigrate to - I have a lot of family here and I really don't want to emigrate as far as Australia or NZ. England is in a dire situation itself but perhaps holds more hope for a future. We are both upset and angry about how this country has gone down the tubes and how those who contributed least to the mess seem to be the ones paying for it however we both also love this country, its landscape, its people and its wit so would find it very difficult to leave.
Very hard to know what is the best thing to do.

I'm in the same boat as you except for relationship and kids tying me here. Hopeful of having a job in UK before Xmas, otherwise I'm off to Co. Bondi

seamus

optogirl wrote: »

We are both 31 and are hoping to start a family within the next year but the thoughts of our children then having to emigrate to make a life for themselves is really heart-breaking.

0_o
Even if you have a child in the next 12 months, it will be a further 22 years before the "need" to emigrate even becomes an issue. Nobody can say whether or not emigration will be at the same level in five years, never mind 23 years.

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland and had the opportunity to move abroad to work in the same job you have here, would you do it?

If I had my current job and no debts or responsibilities in Ireland, I'd be living it up and enjoying life. I'd see no need to emigrate.

Hasmunch

Moigno wrote: »

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland and had the opportunity to move abroad to work in the same job you have here, would you do it?.

Yep:D
Off to Oz for a year in January, with my current job waiting for me for in January 2012.

Duggy747

Moigno wrote: »

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland

I have neither, fortunately, doing full-time voluntary work and I'm surviving extremely well on the dole. I spend very little a week and I'm constantly saving up for that shìtstorm day when this current relatively good period for me ends.

As for leaving here, it's crossed my mind plenty of times but many friends have had unsuccessful attempts at living abroad only to come back with debts on their heads.

That and I'd miss the craíc round here too much :pac:

nice1franko

squod wrote: »

People are still voting FF. Go now, it's you're only hope.

I know. I'm honestly fúcking despondent lately.

wtf is wrong with people

BrokenArrows

ive gotten a better job abroad and am gone in a few days. could not have timed it better if i tried.

Fittle

optogirl wrote: »

We are both 31 and are hoping to start a family within the next year but the thoughts of our children then having to emigrate to make a life for themselves is really heart-breaking. .

So you're not pregnant just yet, which means that it will be AT LEAST 20 years before this may/possibly/perhaps become an issue for you, and you are heart broken over it

Seriously people. We all need to take a step back here.

Why the bejayus should we worry TODAY about something that may, or may not happen, in 20 years to children who don't even exist yet:rolleyes:

If we were all to think like this, we'd be in the nuthouse:eek:

nice1franko

Fittle wrote: »

So you're not pregnant just yet, which means that it will be AT LEAST 20 years before this may/possibly/perhaps become an issue for you, and you are heart broken over it

Seriously people. We all need to take a step back here.

Why the bejayus should we worry TODAY about something that may, or may not happen, in 20 years to children who don't even exist yet:rolleyes:

If we were all to think like this, we'd be in the nuthouse:eek:

shhhhhhh!

the more of them that go... the more lovely jobs for the rest of us!

pindababe

Ireland has a
Bilateral Social Security Agreement

this means that you have the right to claim social security(welfare ) sometimes you can get it from both countries I dont know all the details but its with several countries and maybe it will help you make a decision if you know the financial risk wasn't so high

good luck

shebango

Abandon ship. Definitely.

/thread

longhalloween

I've lived in other countries but ya never beat the craic in Ireland.

scientific1982

If possible stay and struggle.

karlog

The captain(we all know who that is) should go down with his ship. Everyone else abandon it.

rossie1977

bonerm wrote: »

Depends where abroad is? Are we talking somewhere sunny full of good looking women?

i was in miami last week, staying in miami beach, it was extremely hard to leave hot and i mean very hot irish women there too

marcsignal

for anyone whos thinking about riding out the storm here, this site might interest you.

Leave the shop if you're young and single. Why not like?

Ali Babba

marcsignal wrote: »

for anyone whos thinking about riding out the storm here, this site might interest you.

That site told me to leave now while I could still only afford the ticket this year..........:(

red menace

I moved to Canada in September along with my wife.
My job was ok but hers was looking shakey, so we decided to jump before we were pushed.

We almost bought a house 2 years ago but I pulled out before we signed the contracts because we were getting the run around from the estate agents and solicitors.

So far liking it a lot, and don't regret the move, but it is hard work starting from zero in a new country, all your credit ratings etcx go out the window so it is a bit of work.

Plus I did my bit for the economy the guy who got my job had been unemployed since the previous Feb

Sticky_Fingers

rossie1977 wrote: »

i was in miami last week, staying in miami beach, it was extremely hard to leave hot and i mean very hot irish women there too

So thats where they are hiding, I have you now my lovelies

grizzly

I won't blame anyone for leaving if they had the opportunity to find a better life abroad. Even if you have a job that supports you, the mood in the country is relentlessly grinding down peoples spirits, dread to think what it'll be like in 5 years.

Lemsiper

Duggy747 wrote: »

I have neither, fortunately, doing full-time voluntary work and I'm surviving extremely well on the dole. I spend very little a week and I'm constantly saving up for that shìtstorm day when this current relatively good period for me ends.

As for leaving here, it's crossed my mind plenty of times but many friends have had unsuccessful attempts at living abroad only to come back with debts on their heads.

That and I'd miss the craíc round here too much :pac:

Just so you know, doing vountary work is against the rules of being on the dole as it means you're not available for full time employment.

ScumLord

Ireland is a tiny country perfectly situated. If we could just get everybody pointed in the same direction working towards the same thing we could achieve just about anything. I think the average person needs to find a way to get involved in the running of this country, make it mean more to people and have it make more sense to the citizens.

Ireland and it's people have huge untapped potential we just seem to unwilling to get involved we expect to be waited on hand and foot by the state when it should be the other way around.

This country could be great, if we knew what we actually wanted I have no doubt we could achieve it easily. My point is don't leave stay and help make it the country you want.

Iorras55

Moigno wrote: »

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland and had the opportunity to move abroad to work in the same job you have here, would you do it?

As we're all well-aware, our taxes and our children's children's children's taxes will be used to pay for the epic financial f*ckups of others between now and kingdom come, and spending cuts will guarantee that we'll get nothing in return.

Wouldn't it be ideal to go live in a country where the majority of taxes will go towards worthwhile things, like health, education and shiny things? Or is doing one's patriotic duty and staying here to help the company to get back on it's feet The Right Thing to do?

Edit: can't add a poll for some reason...

I despair when I see some of the posters who have replied to your perfectly reasonable question here. No wonder I got sent to jail when I first tried to post on this forum - couldn't take someone with a bit of intelligence (well, a little anyway). Have you got a good job abroad? I'm afraid I would take it. At the moment the Irish seem to be beyond credulity in their corruptness, cronyism and all the other stuff that Fintan O'Toole explains excellently in his 'Ship of Fools'. If they ever get their act together you can always return but I think that's unlikely. My own son has just thrown in a really good job in the UK to take one paying far less here - the cause - love! His girlfriend has tried for the last year to get a job in the UK wihere she could have joined him but failed - and he has several years experience in Ireland. So, she has stuck with her job and he has come back. Personally, I think he must be love struck mad. This Government has a lot further to turn the screw on all the ordinary people of this country while still ignoring their horrendous failures such as giving away the entire natural resources worth hundreds of billions of euros, of this country to foreign MNC's with nothing in return. Sheer lunacy!

nyarlothothep

stay, struggle and fight on my behalf while I emigrate

red menace

ScumLord wrote: »

I think the average person needs to find a way to get involved in the running of this country, make it mean more to people and have it make more sense to the citizens.

We elect the government remember,
Maybe we should put more thought into who we vote for and let our TDs know that we hold them accountable

ScumLord

red menace wrote: »

We elect the government remember,
Maybe we should put more thought into who we vote for and let our TDs know that we hold them accountable

I don't think it's enough to pick someone out of a line up and let them off. Depending on a small bunch of people from a particular class, background and or mindset to be able to do everything is doomed to failure.

Iorras55

red menace wrote: »

We elect the government remember,
Maybe we should put more thought into who we vote for and let our TDs know that we hold them accountable

Are you seriously only beginning to think that way now? Jeez, I can't believe it! Where have you been hanging out? Or what planet have you been on?

PrincessLola

squod wrote: »

People are still voting FF. Go now, it's you're only hope.

Premise one: people who vote FF are stupid

Premise two: people vote FF

Conclusion: Therefore people are stupid

A syllogism for ye. Yeah better abandon ship alright.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I'm working but it's crap and I can barely afford rent. And it's gonna get tougher. Most of my mates are abroad or shacked up with evil women.
I've been thinking of s.korea for the last while and now... well now.... fml

krudler

longhalloween wrote: »

I've lived in other countries but ya never beat the craic in Ireland.

last I checked "the craic" doesnt pay peoples bills, unless you're sort of craic merchant, or dealer if you will. but frankly they're the sort of nefarious ragamuffin I tend to stay away from.

darsar

Moigno wrote: »

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland

You bollox.

dalyboy

I have to say it. Leave option is best. In fact I would also say leave if you HAVE responsibilities also. The banks and credit card companies are going to be spending so much time chasing their tales looking for money off people when interest levels rise that it will be funny watching the whole show from a far. You can find a bit of Ireland in any country. There are Irish bars from one corner of the earth to the other so craic is always plentiful. You can also escape not only economic slavery in Ireland but also the stench of Sunday pub carvery and depressed buggy pushing robot people every last day of the weekend. Germany is one of the most scenic countries of Europe and the liberal society is a breeze to adopt to once the language is mastered. This is easily mastered within 6 months to year. Trains run on time. Super market prices are half the price of Irish prices. They have a human in charge of the health service instead of a pig creature like we have. I am moving over in January.I will genuinely hate leaving my homeland, however as a previous poster said, people are still voting F.F so I have had enough of living with traitors amongst great people. Good riddance lovely, grey, socially backward, economically raped, misguided, unmotivated, and depressed Ireland. I may come back for holidays to teach my children how not to live your life.
Slan

bnt

Well, I'm an economic immigrant to Ireland (since 1999), so there's no reason I can't be an economic emigrant in time. Worked for years, paid a lot of tax, then finally decided it was safe to go to university. I blew in, and I can blow back out again, but if you want me to stay, show me some money after I graduate in 2012.

Lumen

Go wherever makes you happy.

I'm happy here.

holystungun9

longhalloween wrote: »

I've lived in other countries but ya never beat the craic in Ireland.

Yeah, been away for a couple of years now and i have to say where we excel and where others suck is Humour

Mits

If you can make a better life for yourself in another country you should go for it.

You can always return in the future.

RobAMerc

We both still have jobs so at the moment we're staying put, but if either of us lose a job we're gone.
It would be hard taking our son away from his grans and grandads but it would be ludircous of us to saddle him with huge debt and have all his taxes go to paying it when he would get a better life somewhere else.

btw - If I was in negative equity on a house that didn't suit me ( like so many my age are ) I'd stop paying my mortgage - save the fook out of what I was paying in mortgage until I a: lost me job or b: got thrown out by the bank ( about 4 yrs I reckon ) then pick up and leave.

I don't buy into it saddling others with my debt - there is gonna be a default ( a huge write off for the bank ) so why shouldn't people in debt just tell them to fook themselves - they ain't gonna be paying it back either.

karlog

THE WORLD IS F*CKED!!!!

jackiebaron

optogirl wrote: »

Emigration has passed through my mind a bit over the previous weeks. At the moment situation is that I have a job however it is in sales so every month there is a target to reach which is getting harder and harder as there is no money out there. Not reaching targets consistently means job is not safe.

OH has gone back to college and is receiving no help from the State - has managed to get a few weeks work over Christmas which will help.

We are both 31 and are hoping to start a family within the next year but the thoughts of our children then having to emigrate to make a life for themselves is really heart-breaking.

Not sure where would be a good place to emigrate to - I have a lot of family here and I really don't want to emigrate as far as Australia or NZ. England is in a dire situation itself but perhaps holds more hope for a future. We are both upset and angry about how this country has gone down the tubes and how those who contributed least to the mess seem to be the ones paying for it however we both also love this country, its landscape, its people and its wit so would find it very difficult to leave.
Very hard to know what is the best thing to do.

What's stopping you from emigrating to a country where ENGLISH isn't the first language? Why are the UK, AUS and NZ the only ones on your list?

Helix

jackiebaron wrote: »

What's stopping you from emigrating to a country where ENGLISH isn't the first language? Why are the UK, AUS and NZ the only ones on your list?

im going to take a wild guess at the fact that she only speaks english?

Sticky_Fingers

karlog wrote: »

THE WORLD IS F*CKED!!!!

I'll be happy to leave just as long as the "joker" who spawned that saying is willing to stay in the country so I'm certain I never to hear from him again.

Msmini

Moigno wrote: »

If you had no debts or responsibilities in Ireland and had the opportunity to move abroad to work in the same job you have here, would you do it?

As we're all well-aware, our taxes and our children's children's children's taxes will be used to pay for the epic financial f*ckups of others between now and kingdom come, and spending cuts will guarantee that we'll get nothing in return.

Wouldn't it be ideal to go live in a country where the majority of taxes will go towards worthwhile things, like health, education and shiny things? Or is doing one's patriotic duty and staying here to help the company to get back on it's feet The Right Thing to do?

Edit: can't add a poll for some reason...

Hey there, new to boards.ie as a member but have found it in the past to be like an invisible best friend, faceless but a giver of great advice... Anyhow I'm in a pickle as to whether to move to Australia for a year or 2??? I'm 33 year old single, homeowner (no boast...but puts you in the picture that mortgage will have to be paid in my absence), currently in a job which I dislike but it just about (and I mean just about) pays the bills...Have no college qualification, but if I may say a great CV and have some excellent experience behind me with International companies, and also worked in the Hospitality Industry running my own business.. But people, I'm fed up of the constant struggling, and penny pinching...Anyone with any advice on moving to Aus, don't seem to be having any luck on finding a Visa when I don't seem to be "Skilled" so to speak??
Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks
Msmini

mandrake04

You would be safer posting in the Australia & NZ thread but since you don't have a skill and are over the age for a WHV the chances are well stacked against you.

Killer Pigeon

squod wrote: »

People are still voting FF. Go now, it's you're only hope.

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