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    #62
    profitius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    paikea wrote: »
    I just want to add that forcing a youngster to serve the army is as clever as forcing him/her to have a lobotomy.

    Teaching them some discipline, team work, responsibility, physical fitness, respect in the army is not a bad thing.


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    #63
    jill_valentine
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    Military training by it's nature does exactly the opposite to teaching responsibility, at least not in moral terms, and it positively discourages a number of other potentially useful skills and traits.


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    #64
    profitius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Military training by it's nature does exactly the opposite to teaching responsibility, at least not in moral terms, and it positively discourages a number of other potentially useful skills and traits.

    Like?


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    #65
    RandolphEsq
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    profitius wrote: »
    Like?

    The trait of questioning everything, always


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    #66
    profitius
    Registered Users Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭profitius


    RandolphEsq wrote: »
    The trait of questioning everything, always

    Well the army isn't perfect but it would do a lot of todays youth more good than harm. Anyone who doesn't think so doesn;t know much about the army.


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    #67
    RandolphEsq
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    profitius wrote: »
    Well the army isn't perfect but it would do a lot of todays youth more good than harm. Anyone who doesn't think so doesn;t know much about the army.

    It would, I agree. It would do far less harm to the trait of 'questioning everything' then living in the world they live in with mind-numbing television, vested-interests news reporting, cesspool internet, cheap and sh1te fast-food, immoral advertising, corrupt leaders to whom they are supposed to look up to etc. In Israel it is mandatory to do service, should be here too, even if only for three month's training


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    #68
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    RandolphEsq wrote: »
    corrupt leaders to whom they are supposed to look up to etc. In Israel it is mandatory to do service, should be here too, even if only for three month's training

    How will army training do anything to discourage mindless complicity to your appointed leader? It does precisely the opposite. That's what it's for. You want to train an entire generation to treat rank as sacrosanct.

    As for Israel's mandatory service, without opening up a far bigger discussion about Israel itself, it's not without it's problems. Just like any other armed force, many Israeli soldiers have severe problems readjusting to civilian life outside of the highly disciplined and regimented environment of their service.

    Life is not naturally highly disciplined or regimented, and although there's nothing wrong with having some people who are really good at that, having an entire society geared in exactly the same way exacerbates the potential social pitfalls that produces.


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    #69
    paikea
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    profitius wrote: »
    Well the army isn't perfect but it would do a lot of todays youth more good than harm. Anyone who doesn't think so doesn;t know much about the army.
    I grew up in a country where you are forced to "serve the army" as they put it. I was lucky not to have to do it. I have a friend that ended up in a mental hospital because of the time he spent there.

    I don't actually think of the army as a completely bad thing. What I do not agree at all is to force someone to be in that situation/environment if he/she does not want to.


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    #70
    sleeplessoul
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    Much as I dislike the emo culture/metrosexual culture, I have to agree with it being the 21st century, you can't let it get to you, every future generation is going to be much worse than the last in our eyes.

    It's a both scary and exciting time to live in.

    but I'm not looking forward to what lies ahead in 20 years time in teenage culture.


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