Should I report them?

perri winkles

So my neighbours dog is outside 24/7. By himself, very little interaction, sometimes the grandkids play with it but very rarely (It's actually their dog that has been dumped in their grandparents garden)

He used to be able to get into our garden, and I loved it because I could give him a bit of attention and some food (they do feed him as he's a good weight, so not neglected in that sense)
Unfortunately, his owners tore down the hedge and built a big fence so he couldn't get in anymore :mad:


I know in my heart I should report them, every time there is bad weather I can't help but think of the poor thing out in the cold alone


The thing is, we get on quite well with the neighbours. They've been there for years as have we, and they have never bothered us or anything so my parents are really reluctant to p*ss them off. We don't want to fall out with them and I think they will know it was us (I throw treats over the fence to him the odd time Im sure they've figured it out!)


So what would you do? I feel awful for having ignored it for this long

EraseAndRewind

so because they dont have the dog in their house 24/7 they are neglecting it?????

:rolleyes:

Tallon

EraseAndRewind wrote: »

so because they dont have the dog in their house 24/7 they are neglecting it?????

:rolleyes:

Can you re-read the OP before you roll your eyes?


Perri, I think it's best to just say it to them if you feel its having a negative affect on him.

If, as you said, your on good terms with them, I don't see them having a problem with you explaining how you feel

Daisy!

It sounds like they really don't want the dog, would you consider taking him off their hands if that was possible?

perri winkles

Thanks for the reply. The dog is outside 24/7 and is ignored!

We wouldn't necessarily talk to them, just the odd hello. They keep themselves to themselves mainly. I would feel uncomfortable saying it to them, but then maybe it would be worse if they had someone calling to the door saying they had been reported?

EraseAndRewind

i did read it and im entitled to roll my eyes if i want

i think that animal and pet issues is a fab fab place full of intelligent and loving pat owners but i think that there is a big problem with peoples opinion on dogs being kept outside

we havea samoyed, he has three layers of thick fur and has a warm insulated straw filled kennel

we have tried to have him sleep indoors-he freaked out barked all night to be left out

i have two children and work from home my life doesnt revolve around the dog-it is walked once a day and myself or the kids will play kickabout with him- we also have a large garden

he spends a lot of time outside lolling in the grass or just hanging out-the thoughts of my neighbour calling me neglectful because a dog is outside a lot is laughable

perri winkles

Thanks for ther eply Daisy. To be honest when he was able to get into our garden I thought long and hard about just taking him up to the DSPCA without telling them, but I knew It wouldn't be right.

We already have 2 dogs and my parents wouldn't consider having another unfortunately. I would take him in a heartbeat he's a lovely dog

Also erase and rewind, this dog is not walked. Ever. He has no interaction with people whatsoever. I've seen the leave a tin of food out for him, not in a bowl or anything, hardly what you would call looking after the dog properly?

Tallon

EraseAndRewind wrote: »

i did read it and im entitled to roll my eyes if i want

I don't think your entitled to do it when you havn't read the OP correctly.

**Vai**

If you're absolutely sure the dog is being neglected, you should report it. I dont have any experience of this but I doubt your neightbours would ever be told who complained.

Jinxi

Perri, ring the DSPCA. You don't have to leave your name.
They will investigate, and as they aren't abusing it, they will just be asked to make some adjustments to the keep. It will probably scare them enough into taking better care of it.
The only danger is they might guess it was you, or blame someone else. But it would still be worth it if they changed their behaviour.

PS I am all for personal choice of keeping your dogs outside, as long as they are still part of the family and have some enrichment in their lives. Love and attention is as important as a warm shelter and food/water

LETHAL LADY

**Vai** wrote: »

If you're absolutely sure the dog is being neglected, you should report it. I dont have any experience of this but I doubt your neightbours would ever be told who complained.

If someone makes a complaint against a person under the freedom of information act you are entitled to find out who made the complaint so be very careful what you do.

Jinxi

This is only true if you give them your name and they write it down. They always ask if you if you want to give your name and you can say no!

Tallon

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

If someone makes a complaint against a person under the freedom of information act you are entitled to find out who made the complaint so be very careful what you do.

No your not, and also, you can complain anonymously

EraseAndRewind

well i do apologise so OP

i thought you were giving out just because they had him outside all the time

as i said apologies

Tranceypoo

Has he a kennel or any kind of shelter? I would have to report it, if/when the inspector/warden came round, they might hand the dog over anyways, I don't really see the point of having a dog in the garden if you're not going to interact with it in any way, I have no problem with dogs living outside as long as they have plenty of warm shelter and exercise/socialisation etc. Otherwise, what's the point?!

Discodog

EraseAndRewind wrote: »

but i think that there is a big problem with peoples opinion on dogs being kept outside

Why, just because you disagree with it.

In law there is nothing that an SPCA or Guard can do if the animal has food, water & shelter. Current law does not recognise lack of human contact etc but when we get an animal welfare bill it will be covered

perri winkles

Discodog wrote: »

Why, just because you disagree with it.

In law there is nothing that an SPCA or Guard can do if the animal has food, water & shelter. Current law does not recognise lack of human contact etc but when we get an animal welfare bill it will be covered

Thanks discodog, he does have a kennel, and from his weight I presume food and water. I throw food in to him too so hopefully he has enough.

THe dog was dumped on the neighbours by their son, they have told us that they arn't interested in dogs.

It's just awful to see him alone day in day out. It's been going on for longer then I'd like to admit. He has a circle worn in the grass from where he has run round and round in circles. He's going stir crazy

Allgäuerin

EraseAndRewind wrote: »

so because they dont have the dog in their house 24/7 they are neglecting it?????

:rolleyes:

YES:mad:

Davy

When you bringing your own two for a walk, call in and ask to take theirs for a walk while your going.

Discodog

If you can get him out for a few walks then maybe tell a porkie that you have friend who really likes him & would love to take him, if ever they wanted to him rehomed.

If they give any indication that they might agree then post here & we can see if there is a local rescue who could take him & get him a caring home.

newmug

They obviously DO care about him, he's fat, has a kennel, if they didnt want him they'd either sell him, stray him, or have him put down. DO call the SPCA, they'd probably give his owners a medal for good animal welfare! Jaysus, some people:rolleyes:

Tallon

newmug wrote: »

They obviously DO care about him, he's fat, has a kennel, if they didnt want him they'd either sell him, stray him, or have him put down. DO call the SPCA, they'd probably give his owners a medal for good animal welfare! Jaysus, some people:rolleyes:

What is your problem here? There's no need for the sarcasm

It's obvious the OP is distressed at the thought of the dog being mistreated and has every right to question if the owners are treating him accordingly.

I'll quote the OP's posts for you since you don't seem capable of reading the thread correctly

perri winkles wrote: »

THe dog was dumped on the neighbours by their son, they have told us that they arn't interested in dogs.

perri winkles wrote: »

It's just awful to see him alone day in day out. It's been going on for longer then I'd like to admit. He has a circle worn in the grass from where he has run round and round in circles. He's going stir crazy

perri winkles wrote:

Also erase and rewind, this dog is not walked. Ever. He has no interaction with people whatsoever. I've seen the leave a tin of food out for him, not in a bowl or anything, hardly what you would call looking after the dog properly?

newmug

Tallon wrote: »

I'll quote the OP's posts for you since you don't seem capable of reading the thread correctly

Keep it nice Tallon. I didnt insult you, dont do it to me.

I read every post in the thread "correctly".

Tallon wrote: »

It's obvious the OP is distressed at the thought of the dog being mistreated and has every right to question if the owners are treating him accordingly.

To take care of an animal, you have to make sure it has food and shelter, any medicine it might need, adequate water supply etc. "Love" is not a requirement. Dont go putting human emotions on animals, just cos to you they look cute and furry. Animals dont have the same capacity for emotions as we do. This dog is being cared for perfectly by all accounts. I know what I'm talking about here.

Of course the OP has a right to (be)

Tallon wrote: »

distressed at the thought of the dog being mistreated

and they (have)

Tallon wrote: »

every right to question if the owners are treating him accordingly.

But by the OP's own admission, the dog is being treated perfectly. You do not have to have an "interest" in whatever you do to do it right, dogs do walk in circles, and while it would be nice to walk dogs every now and then, dogs do not need it to have a healthy, happy life. If anything, maybe this dog should be fed less, if its fat.

I meant what I said when I suggested the OP ring the SPCA. They would commend the dogs owners for such good treatment, and perhaps allay the OP's fears. To me, it sounds like the OP's heart is in the right place, but they just dont have much experience with animals in general.

perri winkles

newmug wrote: »

Keep it nice Tallon. I didnt insult you, dont do it to me.

I read every post in the thread "correctly".





To take care of an animal, you have to make sure it has food and shelter, any medicine it might need, adequate water supply etc. "Love" is not a requirement. Dont go putting human emotions on animals, just cos to you they look cute and furry. Animals dont have the same capacity for emotions as we do. This dog is being cared for perfectly by all accounts. I know what I'm talking about here.

Of course the OP has a right to (be) and they (have) But by the OP's own admission, the dog is being treated perfectly. You do not have to have an "interest" in whatever you do to do it right, dogs do walk in circles, and while it would be nice to walk dogs every now and then, dogs do not need it to have a healthy, happy life. If anything, maybe this dog should be fed less, if its fat.

I meant what I said when I suggested the OP ring the SPCA. They would commend the dogs owners for such good treatment, and perhaps allay the OP's fears. To me, it sounds like the OP's heart is in the right place, but they just dont have much experience with animals in general.

WHen did I say he was fat? He doesn't look underweight, that doesn't equal fat.

Saying a dog doesn't need love and walks is really idiotic. They have told us that the dog was dumped there, unwanted by their son and now unwanted by them.

Not much experience with animals? I got my first dog at 2, and have two dogs at the moment. This is not me being naive. The dog is ignored. That's not normal.

Thanks for the suggestion Discodog, its not a bad idea, I might just try it when the weather is a bit better for walking I'd say he'd be quite hyper on the lead seeing as he's not used to it the poor fella

toadfly

newmug wrote: »

I meant what I said when I suggested the OP ring the SPCA. They would commend the dogs owners for such good treatment, and perhaps allay the OP's fears. To me, it sounds like the OP's heart is in the right place, but they just dont have much experience with animals in general.

What a bad attitude to have.

OP I would try as suggested, try bringing him for a walk and maybe say someone is interested in him. I doubt they would have any objection

Tallon

newmug wrote: »

Keep it nice Tallon. I didnt insult you, dont do it to me.


I read every post in the thread "correctly".

I didn't insult you either, but it would appear that you either havn't read the thread, or have misinterpreted the posts.

newmug wrote: »

To take care of an animal, you have to make sure it has food and shelter, any medicine it might need, adequate water supply etc.

Giving someone a tin (not in a bowl) is not taking care of it. Aside from the fact that it's very hard to eat from, the tin could cause serios injury to the animal

newmug wrote: »

"Love" is not a requirement. Dont go putting human emotions on animals, just cos to you they look cute and furry.

Yes it is. It has nothing to do with cute or cuddly, every living thing deserves respect and to be fed and treated correctly

newmug wrote: »

Animals dont have the same capacity for emotions as we do.

Yes they do

newmug wrote: »

This dog is being cared for perfectly by all accounts. .

No it's not, not by the way the OP is describing it.

newmug wrote: »

I know what I'm talking about here

How come? Are you the owner?

newmug wrote: »

Of course the OP has a right to (be) and they (have) But by the OP's own admission, the dog is being treated perfectly.

When did the OP admit that?

newmug wrote: »

You do not have to have an "interest" in whatever you do to do it right, dogs do walk in circles, and while it would be nice to walk dogs every now and then, dogs do not need it to have a healthy, happy life. If anything, maybe this dog should be fed less, if its fat.

He gets 1 tin a day and you think he should be fed less?

newmug wrote: »

I meant what I said when I suggested the OP ring the SPCA. They would commend the dogs owners for such good treatment, and perhaps allay the OP's fears. To me, it sounds like the OP's heart is in the right place, but they just dont have much experience with animals in general.

What? wait, what? The OP has 2 dogs, how is that not experience.

It would seem that my first point has been proven, you havn't read the thread 'correctly'

Jinxi

newmug wrote: »

To take care of an animal, you have to make sure it has food and shelter, any medicine it might need, adequate water supply etc. "Love" is not a requirement. Dont go putting human emotions on animals, just cos to you they look cute and furry. Animals dont have the same capacity for emotions as we do. This dog is being cared for perfectly by all accounts. I know what I'm talking about here.

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Clearly, and with respect, you don't

Dogs are pack animals, and need company

I agree about human emotions, but any animal kept in an unsuitable environment and without enrichment(ie interesting things like toys or new experiences and companionship), will display stress or psychological damage like pacing around the environment(OP calls it a worn out path around the yard).

Hopefully the post makes you have a look a the way you care for your animals otherwise you could find yourself on the end of an SPCA visit.

Discodog

newmug wrote: »

They obviously DO care about him, he's fat, has a kennel, if they didnt want him they'd either sell him, stray him, or have him put down. DO call the SPCA, they'd probably give his owners a medal for good animal welfare! Jaysus, some people:rolleyes:

Sometimes a post appears here that helps to explain why this country has such an appalling record in animal welfare. Maybe you really believe that this is all a dog needs, maybe you are genuinely ill informed, maybe you don't care ?.

In any civilised country & most of Europe the owner would be committing a criminal offence but this is Ireland. The owners would not be able to sell the dog. What do you mean by "stray the dog" - just throw it out ?.

Yet again a well meaning poster is being castigated for trying to help an animal in distress.

boomerang

newmug wrote: »

To take care of an animal, you have to make sure it has food and shelter, any medicine it might need, adequate water supply etc. "Love" is not a requirement. Dont go putting human emotions on animals, just cos to you they look cute and furry. Animals dont have the same capacity for emotions as we do. This dog is being cared for perfectly by all accounts. I know what I'm talking about here.

Actually, from that paragraph alone, it is quite clear you don't know what you are talking about. Dogs are social animals that live in groups - in the absence of other dogs we are their social outlet and they do suffer anxiety, boredom and even depression if socially isolated. That is not an opinion - or anthropomorphism. It is scientifically observed fact.

Dogs don't naturally walk in circles. It's called stereotypical behaviour, and it's a response to stress - in this case the stress of confinement and the absence of environmental stimulation.

I think the love we feel our dogs is a really positive thing. That's what motivates us to take proper care of them... Such as taking them for walks.

Shanao

"4. Freedom to Express Normal Behaviour - by providing sufficient space, proper facilities and company of the animal's own kind."

Number four in the five freedoms of animal welfare. Sure doesn't sound like that dog is being allowed to express normal or natural behaviour. Not if it's worn out a circular path in the grass!!

Graces7

newmug wrote: »

They obviously DO care about him, he's fat, has a kennel, if they didnt want him they'd either sell him, stray him, or have him put down. DO call the SPCA, they'd probably give his owners a medal for good animal welfare! Jaysus, some people:rolleyes:

Please do not blaspheme; thank you.

And yes, sadly the SPCA probably WOULD say that as they know little re dogs or indeed other animals.

Some here will remember the battle we had last year to free the wee pony incarcerated in a shed for six months last winter to "put manners on him"? Utter cruelty but the local SPCA did not turn a hair as the pony had food, water, shelter. He was kicking and screaming night and day.