Life without headshops.

120_Minutes

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Real as it gets, I'm afraid.

What qualifications had your three friends to sell mind altering drugs to the public?.

The same ones required by pubs??

Genghiz Cohen

Y'all niggas postin' in a troll thread.

curlzy

I'm glad they're gone, the amount of people I know that ended up having **** nights out because of the crap they were peddling. None of that crap has been around long enough to be tested long term. Give me good old fashioned drugs anyday. I tried a few of the head shop substitues and all I ever got was headachey, shivery and a crap couple of days afterwards. So I'm glad they're gone

Elevator

120_Minutes wrote: »

The same ones required by pubs??

but wait the pubs/off-licences have a licence granted to them for a fee by our government so that's ok

like fcuk it is!!!

120_Minutes

Elevator wrote: »

but wait the pubs/off-licences have a licence granted to them for a fee by our government so that's ok

like fcuk it is!!!

Don't you know anything? It's ok to drink your drug.


Which is why I'm marketing a new line of northern lights shakes...

FlutterinBantam

Elevator wrote: »

@flutt

my friends who worked in the head shops were no more "qualified" than your average street dealer, by and large most street dealers have a personal relationship with most of their clientelle and wouldn't like to hear of anyone coming to any harm (good drug dealers) and I cam tell you now that there are good and bad drug dealers!! nobody was ever offered drugs on tick in the head shops!! nobody was ever given bad advice in the head shops! unlike the government, my mates told people the truth so as to minimise the likely hood of a bad experience.

I think that about answers everything!! The drug dealers are our friends and want to help us!!

Elevator wrote: »

Mary harneys bull**** about mushrooms, bzp, mephadrone fell on deaf ears with users cos we had all taken them and they really weren't as bad as she made them out to be, surprise surprise haha.

if head shops had been left to sell mushrooms like at the begining then there wouldn't have been a need to get in stock to keep the shop open!

you might think we've turned a corner since the head shops closed but I think you're like another brian lenihen, deluded!!

The only thing I think is that Ireland is better off without unqualified people selling untested drugs to people legally.

Elevator wrote: »

drugs have been around for a long time and they'll be around for infinity, they'll probably outlive the human race, unless the earth turns into a fireball and not even plant matter survives!!

Indeed they will, lot longer than most of the users I would suspect.

That's life.

Coriolanus

I can't decide if flut and the op are trolling or serious

raven136

Are drugs still easy to buy including former headshop stock?Yes

Did headshops make mephedrone etc more available?Yes

Does it make any difference to most people whether there are headshops or not?Not really.

Good pills,coke,mephedrone etc are all still around and almost as easy to get and in some cases availbale from former headshop owners(Allegedly )

Is there a point to this thread?No

Shulgin

Recreational drug use was brushed under the carpet and handed right back to the criminal gangs. How can the place be possibly safer?

At least out in the open it could have been monitor or regulated in some way, now we are back to square one,

The government could have been pioneers in changing the direction in the war on drugs ,but instead set us right back 10 years.


On the other hand I am glad that the younger crowd can't get there hands on research chemicals so easily in high st shops. Such access was unacceptable.

Elevator

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I think that about answers everything!! The drug dealers are our friends and want to help us!!


The only thing I think is that Ireland is better off without unqualified people selling untested drugs to people legally.


Indeed they will, lot longer than most of the users I would suspect.

That's life.

in my defence let me introduce you to the great Dr Shulgin who at the age of 85 suffers a
stroke and who has tried every possible known buzzer out there

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin?wasRedirected=true

FlutterinBantam

let me introduce you to reality

thebigbiffo

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let me introduce you to reality

yeah, the reality that drugs can kill and that most deaths are related to cocaine and heroin? can ya post anything actually relevant there flute?

Pace2008

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let me introduce you to reality

Holy ****, heroin's dangerous? Better warn my clubber mates; we're mad for the stuff at the moment.

thebigbiffo

Pace2008 wrote: »

Holy ****, heroin's dangerous? Better warn my clubber mates; we're mad for the stuff at the moment.

jesus yeah - i actually thought those pesky headshops weren't too bad till i found out (obviously thanks to prof flute) that they were selling heroin and coke to school kids. i rang joe duffy then and he sorted it out. where'd we be without flute and jow to protect us?

FlutterinBantam

thebigbiffo wrote: »

yeah, the reality that drugs can kill and that most deaths are related to cocaine and heroin? can ya post anything actually relevant there flute?

Sure

Pace2008

In fairness though, whilst our drug laws are utterly broken, the way in which heads hops were conducting their business wasn't ideal either.

I don't like to toot my own horn, but I posted this piece of tl;dr a while back that summed up what I feel is a fairly balanced view om the head shop situation and our attitude towards drugs in general.

Elevator

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

let me introduce you to reality

checkmate

http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/6389/1/4045-4323.pdf

FlutterinBantam

Elevator wrote: »

checkmate

http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/6389/1/4045-4323.pdf

It would be if I was defending alcohol, I'm not.

Pookah

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Much better place man, parents can now let their children and teenagers go to school safe in the knowledge that at lunchtime, instead of heading (pardon the pun) to the local headshop and getting some products which have not been tested,sold by people who only want to make a fast buck, but are totally unqualified and risking their long term health, they just eat their lunch.

These people and their shops mushroomed quickly,proof that they have plenty of ready cash and saw a money making opportunity big time.

Well done for closing them down and ridding the streets of them and the people who use them


Ireland is a cleaner and better place for sure.

You can't beat AH for satire.

General Zod

so the main jist of your argument is that Headshops were bad because there was a cocaine and heroin epidemic in 2007?

Not as many tooting these days, I'd wager.

General Zod

Pookah wrote: »

You can't beat AH for satire.

The scary thing is I wouldn't be suprised if FB actually believed this.

Shulgin

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sure

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mephedrone-ban-blamed-for-rise-in-cocaine-deaths-2142097.html

Mephedrone ban blamed for rise in cocaine deaths


Banning the "dance drug" mephedrone may have cost lives rather than saving them – by driving users back to cocaine, an expert said yesterday.
Latest figures show deaths from cocaine and ecstasy fell during the first six months of 2009 at a time when the popularity of mephedrone, then still a "legal high", was rising. Separate evidence suggests that many drug users may have substituted it for cocaine, which could account for a decline in cocaine-related deaths.
Although mephedrone itself has been linked with several deaths, subsequent investigations have cast doubt on how dangerous it really is.

Pace2008

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sure

Are you just going to keep spamming links to articles you've Googled to back up your predetermined position, without trying to put them in any sort of context?

Two anecdotal instances instances per week of patients presenting symptoms caused by head shop products does not sound like doomsday stuff, especially when you consider the amount of people who end up in A&E purely as a result of their own stupidity.

I don't want to drag this down the well-trodden alcohol vs. drugs route, but I'd say if hospitals imposed a measure whereby patients who appear in the emergency department with drink-induced injuries would be arrested for public intoxication after receiving treatment, you'd free up a lot more valuable doctors' time.

So what's next: a link to an unreferenced sixth-year biology slide on the effects of cannabis from none other than Gráinne Kenny's EURAD, the organisation that petitioned to have Japanese Maple plants removed from a café in Cork as they resembled cannabis plants? Or maybe another piece from the DEA on the dangers of liberal drug laws that actually contradicts what you're trying to say? (see: the last substantial thread on head shops, in which I had the sense to refrain from posting.)

Asmodean

I have no interest in drugs whatsoever so it doesn't mean a thing to me.

FlutterinBantam

General Zod wrote: »

so the main jist of your argument is that Headshops were bad because there was a cocaine and heroin epidemic in 2007?

Not as many tooting these days, I'd wager.

Nope, that was a reply to a poster who put up an example of a good doctor who apparently survived enormous drug use.

My post was to show that that is not always the case.

Do read the posts please.

Yakult

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Its now almost 6 months since the Parents against Headshops got these evil, opportunist businesses closed down.
Now with a generation of young people without drugs, has it made this country a safer place to walk the streets of the villages knowing that a crazed drug fuelled youth will jump out at you and rob your purse?
Or when you are at 8.30am mass on Sunday morning the sound of the choir will be drowned by a fire engine coming to rescue 2 out of their mind youths from the steeple?
It has also probably freed up more space in our A&E wards on Saturday nights as mind bent drug users no longer start fights and are no longer demented from illusions.
Our mental institutions are now not suffering from an influx of thousands of youths and the like trying to get over their last "high".
Employers can now relax as their staff turn up for work without the ill effects of drug taking over the weekend.
Youth and the like also have more money to spend on the important things in life instead of throwing it away to some legalised drug peddeler.
Do you thing Ireland is a better place without headshops.

Now they just get them from drug dealers who support crime. Much better and safer indeed.

Those legal drugs on their own were pretty harmless. It was the idiots who drank while taking them that caused the problems.

So alcohol gets some of the blame.

Nodin

Pookah wrote: »

You can't beat AH for satire.

He's not being satirical. Yes, that is very hard to believe, but its true.

FlutterinBantam

Pace2008 wrote: »

Are you just going to keep spamming links to articles you've Googled to back up your predetermined position, without trying to put them in any sort of context?

Two anecdotal instances instances per week of patients presenting symptoms caused by head shop products does not sound like doomsday stuff, especially when you consider the amount of people who end up in A&E purely as a result of their own stupidity.

I don't want to drag this down the well-trodden alcohol vs. drugs route, but I'd say if hospitals imposed a measure whereby patients who appear in the emergency department with drink-induced injuries would be arrested for public intoxication after receiving treatment, you'd free up a lot more valuable doctors' time.

So what's next: a link to an unreferenced sixth-year biology slide on the effects of cannabis from none other than Gráinne Kenny's EURAD, the organisation that petitioned to have Japanese Maple plants removed from a café in Cork as they resembled cannabis plants? Or maybe another piece from the DEA on the dangers of liberal drug laws that actually contradicts what you're trying to say? (see: the last substantial thread on head shops, in which I had the sense to refrain from posting.)

An eminent Doctor in an emergency ward,Dr Chris Luke has warned of the dangers of headshops and has been on radio and tv numerous times outlining his experiences with headshop users.

If you can tell me you have more experience and qualifications than Dr. Luke, then I can evaluate your stance.

Elevator

thebigbiffo wrote: »

jesus yeah - i actually thought those pesky headshops weren't too bad till i found out (obviously thanks to prof flute) that they were selling heroin and coke to school kids. i rang joe duffy then and he sorted it out. where'd we be without flute and jow to protect us?

yes, we're still buying fcuk knows what for a buzz, we're no better off really!! 40+ years of a completely failed drug policy!! the facts speak for themselves when you actually know what you're talking about. how many have died around the world due to drugs being illegal?!? Mexico ffs!!! at the risk of condemnation Veronica Guerin and the many many others that have suffered because of very serious professional criminals up and down the country!! I guarantee you accross the country there were a good few cases of people suffering because of having to associate with criminals last night, will be the same again tonight, tomorrow, the day after, the day after that etc etc etc

it's about time governments took the drugs trade from the criminals

I want to know what's stopping them?? they see people doin it in the head shops and they can turn heaven and earth to shut them down but when it comes to nailing the final nail into the criminals they back off and give us token raids, token objects of their "war against drugs" when in reality they only catch roughly 1% of the illegal drugs imported into eu countries!!


luckily there does seem to me to be slight glimers of hope on the subject of drug strategy, IMO due to the ever rising governments debts and guys like Professor Nutt in the UK. as he said himself recently the only people it pays to sensationalise this "drug problem" is the government, big pharma and the press!! you talk to most people and they are actually fairly clued up that what has been done up to now hasn't worked and in fact has more than likely done more harm!!

thebigbiffo

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Sure

head shop drugs may kill...as may changing a lightbulb, going for a drive or over-exercising.

http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/12130/

a quarter of all poisoning deaths are related to alcohol, and you and joe duffy dont get bent out of shape about that because if your fluffy, cocooned world we dont like talking about your socially accepted drug being a big killer.