What will Sinn Fein have to do to get a vote from you?

kaiser sauze

They could offer me tax free status for life and I still would never even consider voting for them.

Once associated with terrorists, always terrorists.

Cavehill Red

Papa Smut wrote: »

So, to the floor, what will it take Sinn Fein to get your no.1 or 2?

As a lifelong SDLP supporter, giving a preference to the Shinners would be extremely difficult for me.

But I'd be prepared to consider it if I saw some practical development of their economic plans set out here

jonnybravo

1) Some decent politicians (get rid of Gerry Adams, Mary Lou, Ferris etc etc)
2) Some decent policies (not anti Europe, anti companies)
3) Express some sort of regret / saying that it was wrong for acts such as the killing of Garda McCabe

Then I might consider voting for them or at least giving them some preferences. Until they do the above they will never have a serious prospect of getting into Irish government. I think eventually they will get around to the above. When is the question.

Firefox11

Their policies and ideology are in direct conflict with my own so never.

TheUsual

What will Sinn Féin have to do to get my vote ?

Nothing at all.
I have always voted for them.

Guys, I'm locking this thread until I gt a chance to clean it up. We're grown ups here. The question wasn't, " What do you think of Sinn Fein?" It was, "what will Sinn Fein have to do to get your vote?"

That to me is quite a simple question. They can do something, or they can do nothing.

Simples.

I'll review this thread later on today and try to let it not be such a trainwreck.

Thread reopened.

If people go off topic, they will be infracted with bans for those who keep it up after warning.

Kaiser sauze
Cavehill Red
Kiki10


You guys in particular are being warned. Off topic posting will not be tolerated.

This is not a history tread. The question is

What will Sinn Fein have to do to get a vote from you?

RandomName2

Papa Smut wrote: »

What will Sinn Fein have to do to get a vote from you?

Okay, in all seriousness what they would have to do in order to get a vote from me:

1. Remove ties to terrorists, including ejecting their members who formerly were terrorists

2. They would have to condemn terrorism.

3. They would have have to change their party name. It has ugly (and, oddly, inconsistent) connoctations.

4. They would have to come up with decent economic principles with which to work.

5. They would have to drop their dreams of reordering society based upon their pseudo-socialist model (i.e. be less hard left)

6. They would have to set up a seperate party to their current Stormont/ Westminster based entity.

7. Abandon their hatred of Western democracies (the fact that their hatred is primarily focused on the United Kingdom does not perclude them from hating other governments with... just less intensity)

8. Ideally they would also have to leave their GUE grouping in the European Parliament.
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So, in short, they would have to be almost entirely different. Yet, there may be one or two of their members who are decent and have not been corrupted by the old hands within the party. Perhaps.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Apologise for their remarks about Brendan Hughes.
Apologise for their lack of support for Gerry McGeough.
Do something productive to reduce sectarian problems in the north.
Stop being so bitchy to the SDLP
Admit the PIRA campaign failed

jimmycrackcorm

They'd need to follow the national forum policies for my vote

irishh_bob

Papa Smut wrote: »

Reading this thread here, there seems to be more people than me that are very happy with the way Sinn Fein are going about things, but won't give them their no.1

Me personally, I can't/won't give them a vote due to them being so eurosceptic. I still believe in the European project and believe that we would be still clawing our way toward where we were in the 90's without Europe. The mess we find ourselves in has no more to do with Europe than a jewel thief blames a jewellry store for holding jewellry

Their fiscal policies still leave a lot to be desired.

Maybe as a junior partner in a coalition they would work. Will they even run enough candidates to make up a junior party? Will they be taking advantage of the goodwill that is coming to them as being a good opposition party?

So, to the floor, what will it take Sinn Fein to get your no.1 or 2?

them being euro sceptic is the one reason i could vote for them

why i couldnt vote for them is as follows

they are a top down party in an almost stalanist way , same leader since 1983
they not only shield scumbag smugglers and racketeers , they potray them as ( in the words of gerry adams ) good republicans
while in public they make calls for thier supporters to co -opperate with police investigations , the reality on the ground is very different , see the roberty mc cartney murder or the murder of a young guy from the border area three years ago
they attract a disproportionate amount of unsavoury charechthers to thier support base , thugs who cloak themselves in the tri colour or at least a celtic jersey , theese people are mostly from the border area
they are more or less economically illiterate and thier policy manifesto can be summarised in one sentence = tax the rich till the pips squeak
they are are deeply inward looking in terms of industry , culture and many other things

Agent_47

When they stop parading around with Gerry Adams looking like a war hero, when they move away from their socialist politics and actually convey a coherrent viable economic plan.
As that will never happen (too staunch) they will forever remain on the back benches of Irish politics.
In summary, no vote here

Dear Irishh bob,

It's kind of ironic that you post the OP, reply the same page as the warning, and then reply to a different question.

The question is not, "Why would you not vote for Sinn Fein"

But it's:


What will Sinn Fein have to do to get a vote from you?


Fancy trying again?

I have a feeling the answer to the OP is simply, "Nothing, I could never vote for them".
Oh, and the use of the word "scumbag" is not permitted on this forum.

Dannyboy83

Sinn Fein cannot get my vote because:

A) They're on the wrong end of the spectrum
I don't view them as a credible political party, but rather a protest party.
C) Their core concerns are trivialities to me, or even things I disagree with
D) My core concerns appear to be trivial to them
E) When it comes to politics, I adore pragmatists and detest romantics

They soak up protest votes, which are just wasted votes and this distorts the balance of power, but not very worrying as I could not imagine anyone entering coalition with them.

Again with the protest party, there are full of objections but appear devoid of alternatives.

Sinn Fein cannot get my vote.

Dear Dannyboy83,

Please read the post above yours.

All the best,

Papa.

Can'tseeme

Nothing, they already get my vote.

politicsdude

not while the likes of martin ferris spends his time taxiing murderers home from prison

feicim

Papa Smut wrote: »

Reading this thread here, there seems to be more people than me that are very happy with the way Sinn Fein are going about things, but won't give them their no.1

Me personally, I can't/won't give them a vote due to them being so eurosceptic. I still believe in the European project and believe that we would be still clawing our way toward where we were in the 90's without Europe. ....

Is this not where we are at now?

I think the jury is still out on whether or not the euro project has been good for ireland.

Sinn fein already have my vote, and the reason being they are a real alternative to FF/FG/Lab who in my opinion are all in the same old boys club happy to trot along maintaining the status quo.

RockinRolla

Why has Ireland no decent liberal or Libertarian groups....

I'm tired of all this conservative Bullsh1t.

Sand

I suppose to get a vote from me theyd need to:

1. Develop some basic morality, some recognisable sense of right and wrong. People throwing nail bombs into resteraunts full of families are not heros. If the Provos cant grasp that, theyre not going to get my vote.
2. Refer to the Irish republic, instead of undermining its legitimacy by refering to it as the "twenty six counties". A lot of the reason we have such poor civic patriotism in Ireland is down to the belief that it has been patriotic to resist and undermine the "Free State" - The provos have contributed to this and continue to do so.
3. Offer economic policies which are more than Marxism warmed over.
4. Offer some vision of Ireland thats more than:
"Take over Northern Ireland
?????
Profit!"

Until then, I'll only have to consider Sinn Fein when deciding who to place last in the list of preferences: Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein. Say what you like about Fianna Fail, they at least grasp the concept that murdering kids is wrong.

Raskolnikov

By not being Fianna Fáil or the Green Party, they're instantly off the bottom in terms of preferences on my ballot sheet. By not being Joe Higgins/Socialist Party/anyone who'll increase Corporation Tax, they're up another rung. So without doing a single thing, they're probably a fifth preference, which is up from last in 2007.

opawaman

Maybe if they were prepared to go into an all-ireland coalition DUP. and get rid of the gaelic language act. Most Irish are not interested in being forced to learn Gaelic, but are being made feel guilty for not wanting to.,

Le King

TBH they have secured my vote this year. No way can I vote Fianna Fail/Fine Gael (Two of the same), Labour are all talk so that leaves Sinn Fein.


One thing I would like is to be less involved in Euroscepticism.

eoinoleary

they have my vote...rightly or wrongly its time for some1 distinctly differently to have a shot at grabbing this bull by the horns...fg ff lab...usual ding dong..all only wanting to oust the other and hold the power(flash back 1920's)..sinn fein are the only opposition that are willing to make a few moves, there all saying its a bad deal for ireland but i only hear sinn fein saying theyl go and renegociate the blasted thing...coloured past fair enough but a united ireland is somthing i liked to hear mentioned once in a while in southern politics if only to keep the pot simmering and maby some day in years to come once peace is entrenched in ireland maby we could begin to cautiously mention the idea of an UI again...now our supposed southern "republican party" the fianna fail shower have just gone and sold us down the swanny and doing so knowing they wont be in power to feel the backlash from it..so i ask,all in all..whos the alternative???i'll have to go sinn fein

ps...as re. above comment, i agree... sinn fein will have to come round to the euro idea if they seriously want to contend in irish politics...its positives honestly do outway its negitives and the vast majority of citizens endorse the idea...thanks