Ucd Arts

irishgirl10

Again, thanks so much for all the replies! All the information really does help, thanks so much!

Twiks

Hey my first choice in CAO is DN500 Arts - Politics and Intl Relations / Economics. These are the areas which like so could any one recommend me of what options should i pick ?

Mr.BA

I did Spanish and Geography.

Spanish is marked very hard so some modules are tough because of that.
Geography on the other hand is deadly. Absolutely loved it. So I would advise anyone to do Geography

Mr BA

4k

I'm thinking of transferring here from another uni and was wondering do any of you have any info on maths in arts? Had a look on the website and cant seem to figure out what the story with maths is.
Is anyone doing it? Do ucd do maths through arts? If so does anyone have a link to a syllabus for 2nd and 3rd year?
Thanks for any help in advance.
Would be taking this with economics. LOL arts

Joneser

I just finished a BSc. so don't have much info on the BA side of things but according to this page "Mathematics & Statistics" can be taken as part of a Joint Honors Degree in Arts.

https://myucd.ucd.ie/programme_info/mathematical_studies.ezc

Also here is a good diagram which helps you see your possible subject combinations when taking an Arts degree in UCD: https://myucd.ucd.ie/htmlemailupload/File/pathways/arts_pathway_2011_pdf.pdf

kev9100

A bump for the new school year! If anyone has any questions on arts, feel free to post here! Btw, I do french/history and used to do politics so if anyone needs advice feel free to ask/ send a pm.

teenagedream

English and linguistics any advice?

antomorro-sei

Won't be in Arts this year... Moving to Barcelona for my Erasmus year tomorrow

WatchOut

Can anyone tell me is it easy to change your 2 subjects you put on your CAO to something different? I had English and Philosophy, but if I decide I don't want to take one of those to degree level later on, is there any hassle with that?

Fluorescence

Nope, you'll just have to apply for a single subject major at the end of 1st year.

virtus1

Hey everyone. I’m doing single honours philosophy. Looking at the course outline, there doesn’t seem to be many stage 1 modules. So I assume the first year is just like arts and I'll have to register to other modules on the 1st, yeah?

Sad Professor

virtus1 wrote: »

Hey everyone. I’m doing single honours philosophy. Looking at the course outline, there doesn’t seem to be many stage 1 modules. So I assume the first year is just like arts and I'll have to register to other modules on the 1st, yeah?

Correct.

WatchOut

fluorescence wrote: »

Nope, you'll just have to apply for a single subject major at the end of 1st year.

Is it easy to change one of your 2 subjects? As in changing Philosophy to French or something.

Fluorescence

WatchOut wrote: »

Is it easy to change one of your 2 subjects? As in changing Philosophy to French or something.

I couldn't tell you - they brought that stuff in the year after I started in UCD. I shouldn't think it's all too difficult though. Once registration opens for 1st years you should be able to deselect Philosophy and try to get into French if there's any places left.

JonnyMcNamee

Ths may have been asked before but I can't find it on here.. Is there anyone here who have done Philosophy and History as a joint arts degree? Im a bit wary of doin tbh as I've a feeling it might be alot of difficult work. Also, is the Philosophy course hard to grasp, like some of the concepts and thinking? Thanks for any replies

conor.hogan.2

I did History and Irish joint major and only did one Philosophy elective so I can not speak much on Philosophy.

But if you pick subjects you like you should be fine, there is a lot of reading and research in arts no matter what you do.

JonnyMcNamee

Thanks man

conor.hogan.2

You are welcome.

Also if it helps I enjoyed the Philosophy module, it was a first year one and I was in 2nd year.
Quite a bit of reading, but nothing more than History or Irish.

WoollyRedHat

Didn't know there was a thread...

Anyway, absoultely dreading returning for Semester 2 and the incoming ****storm that will inevitably be my exam failure horror show.

Sl!mCharles

Me too

JessiStar

So I don't know if there's anyone still here- but I have arts with Spanish and linguistics down as my first choice on my CAO. Is anyone doing that combination? And what do you think of it?

jmclee

Why is there the bad reputation with arts? Can someone be honest and tell me why some people are against it? My mum doesn't seem too keen on me doing history and something there because of huge class sizes and that, are arts subjects just looked upon better in trinity because of smaller class sizes?
I wanted to do history and political science in trinity but the LC didn't go to plan unfortunately so would history and politics as part of arts in ucd be worlds apart? Ucd arts kind of confuses me to be honest

Fluorescence

jmclee wrote: »

Why is there the bad reputation with arts? Can someone be honest and tell me why some people are against it? My mum doesn't seem too keen on me doing history and something there because of huge class sizes and that, are arts subjects just looked upon better in trinity because of smaller class sizes?
I wanted to do history and political science in trinity but the LC didn't go to plan unfortunately so would history and politics as part of arts in ucd be worlds apart? Ucd arts kind of confuses me to be honest

They're seen as "inferior" to Trinity because they require significantly less points and are typically 3 year courses (compared to Trinity's 4 years). People who are not ignorant will realise both degrees are perfectly valid neither are superior or inferior to the other.

Go for the subjects if you like them anyway. No reason not to try!

OneOfThem Stumbled

jmclee wrote: »

Why is there the bad reputation with arts? Can someone be honest and tell me why some people are against it? My mum doesn't seem too keen on me doing history and something there because of huge class sizes and that, are arts subjects just looked upon better in trinity because of smaller class sizes?
I wanted to do history and political science in trinity but the LC didn't go to plan unfortunately so would history and politics as part of arts in ucd be worlds apart? Ucd arts kind of confuses me to be honest

Trinity has snob value and is traditionally seen as superior in terms of Arts. I really cannot say whether it has a higher academic standard in Arts as I never read Arts there; all I do know is that it has higher points, has a longer course, and has an Arts block that would make me want to slit my throat (sorry Dublin University folk - but it is a windowless maze!)

Arts in UCD is huge. Really huge. I won't lie, it creates a bit of a social challenge. With greater challenges lie greater rewards and possibilities however - also greater chance of failure. Suppose who dares wins, eh?

Arts has a bad reputation because:
a) a lot of people think it is like a doss subject whatever. A lot of these people fail or drop out.
b) Arts has significantly fewer hours per week than other subjects (particularly subjects that have 2/3 hour labs).
c) People have to 'get at' one subject. If it wasn't Arts I'm sure it would be Ag-Sci or whatever. It helps that Arts tends to have a lower cao point threshold.
d) There is some arty-farty nonsense in arts. There are some subjects that just... ... women's studies. Nuff said. Some woolly subjects, and also a couple of pseudo-science subjects that sort of fall between two stools. However, these subjects are in the minority. Maths, Archaeology, Classics, English, Philosophy, Politics, etc. etc. are all extremely worthy subjects in their own right and merit study.

jmclee

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Trinity has snob value and is traditionally seen as superior in terms of Arts. I really cannot say whether it has a higher academic standard in Arts as I never read Arts there; all I do know is that it has higher points, has a longer course, and has an Arts block that would make me want to slit my throat (sorry Dublin University folk - but it is a windowless maze!)

Arts in UCD is huge. Really huge. I won't lie, it creates a bit of a social challenge. With greater challenges lie greater rewards and possibilities however - also greater chance of failure. Suppose who dares wins, eh?

Arts has a bad reputation because:
a) a lot of people think it is like a doss subject whatever. A lot of these people fail or drop out.
b) Arts has significantly fewer hours per week than other subjects (particularly subjects that have 2/3 hour labs).
c) People have to 'get at' one subject. If it wasn't Arts I'm sure it would be Ag-Sci or whatever. It helps that Arts tends to have a lower cao point threshold.
d) There is some arty-farty nonsense in arts. There are some subjects that just... ... women's studies. Nuff said. Some woolly subjects, and also a couple of pseudo-science subjects that sort of fall between two stools. However, these subjects are in the minority. Maths, Archaeology, Classics, English, Philosophy, Politics, etc. etc. are all extremely worthy subjects in their own right and merit study.

Why is it that UCD arts is seen much more collectively than trinity? Could just be me actually but I feel that I'd hear "I'm doing arts in UCD" before "I'm doing history and English in ucd"
Whereas if I was in trinity I'd just say I'm doing history? So essentially anyway history in the two places will be as good as each other even if trinity might be a bit better regarded? Difference just is an extra year and less hours and far more people? Cos I know i wouldn't be doing it as a doss subject I'd work really hard I just hope the fact it's in ucd and not trinity goes against me :S
But thanks I get it more now

OneOfThem Stumbled

jmclee wrote: »

Why is it that UCD arts is seen much more collectively than trinity? Could just be me actually but I feel that I'd hear "I'm doing arts in UCD" before "I'm doing history and English in ucd"
Whereas if I was in trinity I'd just say I'm doing history? So essentially anyway history in the two places will be as good as each other even if trinity might be a bit better regarded? Difference just is an extra year and less hours and far more people? Cos I know i wouldn't be doing it as a doss subject I'd work really hard I just hope the fact it's in ucd and not trinity goes against me :S
But thanks I get it more now

Oh I think in terms of employment Trinity vs UCD will have no importance; number one importance will be your subject(s) and (particularly for arts) the grade of your degree. Realistically today most students, particularly in arts, will take post-grad study; which may be complementary to what you have already read (like a degree in History and English and an MA in History) or be somewhat tangential (like a degree in English and Psychology and an MSC in Human Resources) or conversion (like a degree in Geography and Maths and a Masters in Management).

The subjects you can take at post-grad study will also be limited by what you study at degree level and particularly how you do. It is difficult to be accepted into many things with a 2.2 for instance.

In relation to your question in the other thread - I really wouldn't worry about it too much at this stage. Look to your CAO offer, accommodation, and financial preparation for college (living and reg fee, or whatever) and then you can be concerned about subject choice.

I don't believe, off the top of my head, that Trinity integrates its arts subjects in a similar manner as UCD - I don't think there is any omnibus entry. As such one would be less likely to identify themselves with the programme instead of the subject in Trinity.

Send me a PM some time closer to registration (August or September) and I'll give you some details about the process.

melekalikimaka

you get an ma in trinity, a ba in ucd no?

Mardy Bum

melekalikimaka wrote: »

you get an ma in trinity, a ba in ucd no?

You get the MA after a number of years and it costs a few hundred euro. Its an archaic tradition without any real value bar being a cash cow. Trinity's actual postgraduate course in the humanities is called a Master of Philosophy.

longhalloween

jmclee wrote: »

Why is there the bad reputation with arts? Can someone be honest and tell me why some people are against it? My mum doesn't seem too keen on me doing history and something there because of huge class sizes and that, are arts subjects just looked upon better in trinity because of smaller class sizes?

I think Arts gets such derision because of the usually short lecture hours(between 16-22 per week in most cases) and there's a large amount of subjects that will never get you a job. Unfortunately there's not much calling for a person qualified in Women's Studies, Philosophy, Information Studies, Celtic Studies and Classics.

OneOfThem Stumbled

melekalikimaka wrote:

you get an ma in trinity, a ba in ucd no?

You can get an undergraduate qualification in one place and postgraduate qualification in another if you wish, or you can stay in your home institution. As Mardy Bum says Dublin University's MA is called an M.Phil, but it's the same thing (Mardy is a tad off about the price, duration and purpose of masters programmes however)

longhalloween wrote:

I think Arts gets such derision because [...] there's a large amount of subjects that will never get you a job. Unfortunately there's not much calling for a person qualified in Women's Studies, Philosophy, Information Studies, Celtic Studies and Classics.

It's true, there are few jobs that directly lead on from most Arts courses (apart from educational) - although fwiw I believe that librarian and archiving work does actually lead on from information studies above, however.

But that goes for any number of courses. It would be damn hard to get a job based on a general science degree without specialisation. And what many courses don't have is the same array of transferable skills. If you read Architecture, you are trained to be an architect; and I would say that it would be significantly more difficult to segue from that into another discipline or field than it would be from arts.