Now does any one know how much are we expected to be cut in December's budget?

Mcwood

I called today to the Social Welfare and they told me that I am in (JA), which means that I am left with €160.00 pw. I don't how someone can live with this amount of money each week. I know there are out there cases which are worst that my. But this is completely immoral and offensive of people's freedom to live in dignity and in a democratic state. I know how the country is at present in a big mess but to get to this, is COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY WRONG. :mad:

Does any one know how much are we expected to be cut in December's budget, I heard €40 to €65 pw??. :eek:

I hope I didn't offense any one.

tenchi-fan

I think this post may be better off in "humanities" or "irish economy"... with that in mind...

I remember reading somewhere the minimum people should be expected to have. It included things like "a joint of meat once a week", "a meal out once every 2 weeks", "own 2 pair of shoes", etc etc.

If I got a room in a shared house for €60 (many working families are feeling the pinch and will rent a room incl bills for this amount to help with the mortgage).. that leaves €100 (or €136 for most jobseekers).

When I was employed I spent a lot of money on food in the canteen at work, €40 a week on travel expenses, new shirts and suits for work as I wore them daily.. and apart from a night on the piss at weekends and a whole lot of convenience food (because I sat 4 hours a day on a bus and really didn't feel like stewing cheap cuts of meat when I got home) I actually struggled to spend the money I earned.

Now I'm out of work, I've all this free time & doing stuff costs money. But ya know what, I remember my mother telling me when she was younger they used to go to the country to pick berries, mushrooms & how her uncles used to catch rabbits and fish to feed the family. Perhaps it's immoral that people need to work and travel so much to earn a living?

Trish2007

If you are getting less than the standard rate then you must have means?
For a family of 3 we are getting 201 a week which just means we have to use our 'means' for the basics

Cliona99

It's not easy, but it's definitely possible. I don't think it's offensive, immoral or wrong. It does take some getting used to though. And things are getting tight this week with the weather, big chunk of money going on fuel and electricity.

snubbleste

OP, contact your local TDs and make them aware that your payment from the State is completely immoral and offensive of people's freedom to live in dignity and in a democratic state

http://www.oireachtas.ie/members-hist/default.asp?housetype=0&HouseNum=30&disp=const

tenchi-fan

snubbleste wrote: »

OP, contact your local TDs and make them aware that your payment from the State is completely immoral and offensive of people's freedom to live in dignity and in a democratic state

As Trish2007 pointed out, it's possible the op has means.

Op, have a read of this.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/bargains-and-rip-offs/article.html?in_article_id=451669&in_page_id=5

It's about a woman who lived on £1 a day. There are links at the bottom such as 100 ways to save money.

Graces7

tenchi-fan wrote: »

I think this post may be better off in "humanities" or "irish economy"... with that in mind...

I remember reading somewhere the minimum people should be expected to have. It included things like "a joint of meat once a week", "a meal out once every 2 weeks", "own 2 pair of shoes", etc etc.

If I got a room in a shared house for €60 (many working families are feeling the pinch and will rent a room incl bills for this amount to help with the mortgage).. that leaves €100 (or €136 for most jobseekers).

When I was employed I spent a lot of money on food in the canteen at work, €40 a week on travel expenses, new shirts and suits for work as I wore them daily.. and apart from a night on the piss at weekends and a whole lot of convenience food (because I sat 4 hours a day on a bus and really didn't feel like stewing cheap cuts of meat when I got home) I actually struggled to spend the money I earned.

Now I'm out of work, I've all this free time & doing stuff costs money. But ya know what, I remember my mother telling me when she was younger they used to go to the country to pick berries, mushrooms & how her uncles used to catch rabbits and fish to feed the family. Perhaps it's immoral that people need to work and travel so much to earn a living?

Joint of meat? Lost count of the years since that was in this house and it means nothing that it isn't.

As for eating out? Nothing special about that.

As someone on disability many years, and now on pension, yes gathering and what many seem to find demeaning is a way of life that is infinitely fulfilling. Vincent de Paul and other thrift shops are great.

Seems that there is such a high expectation?

Graces7

Mcwood wrote: »

I called today to the Social Welfare and they told me that I am in (JA), which means that I am left with €160.00 pw. I don't how someone can live with this amount of money each week. I know there are out there cases which are worst that my. But this is completely immoral and offensive of people's freedom to live in dignity and in a democratic state. I know how the country is at present in a big mess but to get to this, is COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY WRONG. :mad:

Does any one know how much are we expected to be cut in December's budget, I heard €40 to €65 pw??. :eek:

I hope I didn't offense any one.

Go back only a couple of generations to the workhouse times? No way. Now that was a life lacking in any freedom or dignity.

Not sure why you use words like "immoral and offensive" either?

We have a fair welfare system, with care. And there are other things, eg medical care.

tenchi-fan

tenchi-fan wrote: »

I remember reading somewhere the minimum people should be expected to have. It included things like "a joint of meat once a week", "a meal out once every 2 weeks", "own 2 pair of shoes", etc etc.

Eat out twice a month? Are you kidding? Twice a year is enough for anyone on a budget! And with Penneys on every high street 2 pairs of shoes cost less than a joint of meat

We expect to lose upwards of €200 a month after the social welfare is cut, and OH expecting a pay cut next year. As long as we have a warm place to live, petrol in his car, and enough left over to splash out on a six pack of Tuborg and the occasional cheesecake, we're alright. And we should be able to manage this, with a few little cuts in certain areas of spending. Wont say we'll enjoy it, but for us it's probably manageable.

tenchi-fan

Deleted User wrote: »

Eat out twice a month? Are you kidding? Twice a year is enough for anyone on a budget! And with Penneys on every high street 2 pairs of shoes cost less than a joint of meat

It's either a night out or a meal out. Basically, socialising. Not getting drunk off your skull but also not being stuck at home the whole time.

As for shoes, yes shoes are a lot cheaper than they used to be. They used to be manufactured in Ireland, too.

And so many people moan "how am I meant to live on €200 a week" even though they're also claiming rent allowance and have a medical card. No matter what way you carve up €200 it buys a lot of food and clothes!

Deleted User wrote: »

We expect to lose upwards of €200 a month after the social welfare is cut, and OH expecting a pay cut next year. As long as we have a warm place to live, petrol in his car, and enough left over to splash out on a six pack of Tuborg and the occasional cheesecake, we're alright. And we should be able to manage this, with a few little cuts in certain areas of spending. Wont say we'll enjoy it, but for us it's probably manageable.

Exactly. Everyone, whether employed or not, deserves a minimum standard of living. And of course employed people deserve to have a much better standard of living to reflect their time and effort.

Mcwood

Graces7 wrote: »

Go back only a couple of generations to the workhouse times? No way. Now that was a life lacking in any freedom or dignity.

Not sure why you use words like "immoral and offensive" either?

We have a fair welfare system, with care. And there are other things, eg medical care.

Thanks for remind me that?;) yes I think the system we have is quite fair. But with the Eu and IMF trolling at the back of this government our lovely and precious system is going to be mutilate by the Eurocrats that in the desperation to preserve their dream, they are going to remove any remaining traces of what we call democracy. :eek:

You only need to open your eyes and see what is coming in our way. :pac:

Mcwood

tenchi-fan wrote: »

It's either a night out or a meal out. Basically, socialising. Not getting drunk off your skull but also not being stuck at home the whole time.

As for shoes, yes shoes are a lot cheaper than they used to be. They used to be manufactured in Ireland, too.

And so many people moan "how am I meant to live on €200 a week" even though they're also claiming rent allowance and have a medical card. No matter what way you carve up €200 it buys a lot of food and clothes!




Exactly. Everyone, whether employed or not, deserves a minimum standard of living. And of course employed people deserve to have a much better standard of living to reflect their time and effort.

Balance and equality

tenchi-fan

Mcwood wrote: »

Thanks for remind me that?;) yes I think the system we have is quite fair. But with the Eu and IMF trolling at the back of this government our lovely and precious system is going to be mutilate by the Eurocrats that in the desperation to preserve their dream, they are going to remove any remaining traces of what we call democracy. :eek:

We don't have a precious and lovely system. We had a bloated, inefficient and ultimately unsustainable system. At least with the IMF "in government" people will get back to basics, although I can't help but thinking if the Irish Government acted 3 years ago to wean people off benefits, trim the public sector and showed a bit of vision in areas such as infrastructure and healthcare rather than simply inflating a property bubble for their friends in the banks and "development" (speculation) we could be the envy of the world right now rather than the laughing stock.

Mcwood wrote: »

Balance and equality

...for those who earn it. I totally agree with a work life balance.

cee_jay

Nobody knows until 7th December what is going to happen in the Budget.
This query may be more suitable to Irish Economy/Budget 11/Politics.

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