What Price a Head Librarian...

kaiser sauze

...in UCD?

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[I felt this was more an AH than politics, mod call on this]

According to John McGuirk(of Libertas fame), speaking on Vincent Browne 30/11, the head librarian in UCD earns €130,000. :eek:

Can anyone verify this claim?

Is anyone else shocked to hear of this salary, or have my senses to waste in the public sector not been nullified enough?

Elohim

What price good grammar internet...

Anyways i've heard from book shelvers that the salary is fairly well justified.

kaiser sauze

Elohim wrote: »

What price good grammar internet...

Anyways i've heard from book shelvers that the salary is fairly well justified.

Alphabeticising those books must be trickier than I believe.

Elohim

Ya they have to put them into the different categories and stuff too.

Terry

kaiser sauze wrote: »

...in UCD?

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[I felt this was more an AH than politics, mod call on this]

According to John McGuirk(of Libertas fame)

That's where I stopped reading.

syklops

Looks like he is correct:

Current UCD Staff Salary Scales


LIBRARY


Librarian
Code Position Point Pay Rate Effective
0030_X LIBRARIAN_2010 1 €107,964.00 p.a. 01/01/2010
2 €114,011.00 p.a.
3 €120,169.00 p.a.
4 €126,354.00 p.a.
5 €132,534.00 p.a.
6 €138,719.00 p.a.
For Deputy Librarian scale, see Senior Administrative Officer II 2010 (0052_X)
For Associate Librarian scale, see Senior Administrative Officer III 2010 (0053_X)
0130_X 95 LIBRARIAN_2010 1 €113,517.00 p.a. 01/01/2010
2 €119,992.00 p.a.
3 €126,500.00 p.a.
4 €133,004.00 p.a.
5 €139,517.00 p.a.
6 €146,022.00 p.a.

Source:

http://www.ucd.ie/hr/add/salary_scales/scales.htm

FlutterinBantam

Degsy should be able to sort this one out.

delta_bravo

Yes the Head librarian receives this.

UCD also has the craziest managment structure ever. Theres 10 Vice Presidents and 1 President. All of which generally earn more than the Taoiseach with bonuses and expenses included.

Cookie_Monster

what do they do to justify that level of pay exactly?

sellerbarry

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

what do they do to justify that level of pay exactly?

Probably about the same as our Taoiseach.;)

evercloserunion

I heard John McGuirk is a tool, anyone know if this is true?! :eek:

El Siglo

Then you wonder why UCD is 13 million in debt with the head librarian earning this and ten vice presidents.

CreepingDeath

Not bad money for doing an unskilled girls job.

bonerm

kaiser sauze wrote: »

Alphabeticising those books must be trickier than I believe.

I'd like to see you dewey it.

COYW

Deary me. I fancy a career change after reading this.

punchdrunk

bonerm wrote: »

I'd like to see you dewey it.

YOUR ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Japer

delta_bravo wrote: »

Yes the Head librarian receives this.

UCD also has the craziest managment structure ever. Theres 10 Vice Presidents and 1 President. All of which generally earn more than the Taoiseach with bonuses and expenses included.

130,000 per year is not big money, when you consider that person has to work hard for it, and only gets 6 weeks holidays a year. When they retire they only get a tax free lump sum of 195,000 and an annual pension of 65,000. You try surviving / running holiday homes on only 65 grand a year.
Our retiring minister Dermot Ahern is better off, he is only in his early to mid fifties and can start collecting his 125,000 pension a year in a few months time.

Jumpy

It depends if you the whole Librarian.

Accidently or otherwise.

ilovelamp2000

Japer wrote: »

130,000 per year is not big money, when you consider that person has to work hard for it, and only gets 6 weeks holidays a year. When they retire they only get a tax free lump sum of 195,000 and an annual pension of 65,000. You try surviving / running holiday homes on only 65 grand a year.
Our retiring minister Dermot Ahern is better off, he is only in his early to mid fifties and can start collecting his 125,000 pension a year in a few months time.

It is a tough life

Adam

El Siglo wrote: »

Then you wonder why UCD is 13 million in debt with the head librarian earning this and ten vice presidents.

is anybody else reminded of Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" speech to teldar about their 33 vice presidents?

sbsquarepants

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does a librarian do? I'm not being a smart arse, i genuinely don't know. Is it not just a matter of putting books on shelves in their correct place and keeping track of who has borrowed them? Maybe keep the stock up to date when new editions are released etc? Does the head librarian then not just make sure the other librarians are doing their bit, maybe sign off on invoices for these new books etc?
Surely this is should be tending more towards the lower end of the pay spectrum than the 130k end? No?

Is there a librarian in the house that could set the record straight?

ejmaztec

This Godwin moment would save us a few quid.

stovelid

I applaud the continuing ingenuity involved in constantly unearthing alternative rabble targets.

Monty Burnz

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Is there a librarian in the house that could set the record straight?

I'm no expert (worked in a university library for a few hours a week as a student) but think of the head librarian as the manager of the whole library business - they are managing all the staff, the building and the interactions with the rest of the university organisation - it's not about shelving books.

Having said that, 130k sounds a bit rich to me - 80k would be plenty.

Wompa1

Stupid question. What qualification are required for that job?

amacachi

El Siglo wrote: »

Then you wonder why UCD is 13 million in debt with the head librarian earning this and ten vice presidents.

Well it's better than TCD not having a deficit in their accounts, makes it easier to justify begging more money from the state.

Wompa1

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm no expert (worked in a university library for a few hours a week as a student) but think of the head librarian as the manager of the whole library business - they are managing all the staff, the building and the interactions with the rest of the university organisation - it's not about shelving books.

Having said that, 130k sounds a bit rich to me - 80k would be plenty.

Even 80k for that work is a bit much, it's a library. It's not exactly pivotal to have an ace running it...but meh, what do I know really.

tony1kenobi

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does a librarian do?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

seamus

Wompa1 wrote: »

Even 80k for that work is a bit much, it's a library. It's not exactly pivotal to have an ace running it...but meh, what do I know really.

Librarians do more really than sit at a desk and file books into bookshelves.

They require a quite strong qualification in Information Studies, as they primarily look after archiving documents (which is more than filing them) and research and reference.

There's far more to research than typing words into Google, as much of the published works in any particular area will not be publically available on Google and instead will be in the books, leaflets and white papers only available within the library.

The "reference desk" in a library is where you can go to them with a topic and they'll go off and produce a pile of books containing information which may be useful for you. Something that you can't really do with Google, especially in specialist topics. Even if the information was on Google, there's a huge difference between finding information, and finding relevant and useful information. We've all seen people say they can't find any useful information on Google, and then you turn around and give them exactly what they need in a minute or two.

The description here sounds like something a trained monkey could do:
http://www.careerdirections.ie/CDW3C/AccessDBAllCareerDetails.jsp?id=150

But I think the payscales generally reflect the difficulty of getting people who have the relevant qualifications, as being a librarian is not seen as a cool job

Sonnenblumen

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does a librarian do?

Earn lots of money and in their spare time spend lots of money? For further information go to 10.142.13:D

Wompa1

seamus wrote: »

Librarians do more really than sit at a desk and file books into bookshelves.

They require a quite strong qualification in Information Studies, as they primarily look after archiving documents (which is more than filing them) and research and reference.

There's far more to research than typing words into Google, as much of the published works in any particular area will not be publically available on Google and instead will be in the books, leaflets and white papers only available within the library.

The "reference desk" in a library is where you can go to them with a topic and they'll go off and produce a pile of books containing information which may be useful for you. Something that you can't really do with Google, especially in specialist topics. Even if the information was on Google, there's a huge difference between finding information, and finding relevant and useful information. We've all seen people say they can't find any useful information on Google, and then you turn around and give them exactly what they need in a minute or two.

The description here sounds like something a trained monkey could do:
http://www.careerdirections.ie/CDW3C/AccessDBAllCareerDetails.jsp?id=150

But I think the payscales generally reflect the difficulty of getting people who have the relevant qualifications, as being a librarian is not seen as a cool job

But wouldn't they look at the books as they get them and categorize them into a database. That way when someone comes to them and asks for a book about something in particular they can do a query of the database using keywords...

That seemed to be how it worked in the college I went to. Everything was computerized. Granted the initial setup of the database would have been torture but at this stage most unis should be well past that.