should ferguson get charged by the FA

PCPhoto

Sir Alex Ferguson made 10 changes to the side that hammered Blackburn last weekend with only Anderson remaining, but the manner of this defeat will still prove difficult to stomach.

surely he fielded a weakened team ?

did hollaway get charged recently after his little rant ? if not - then the proverbial floodgates have been opened to "squad rotation" for cup games.

JerryHandbag

The Carling Cup has nearly always been about fielding your 2nd string team for all the top teams

His "weakened" side has done alright in this cup for last 2 seasons

PHB

I don't know if there is a clause in the League Cup rules which states you must field your best team.

Paulw

PHB wrote: »

I don't know if there is a clause in the League Cup rules which states you must field your best team.

Is there a written one for the Premiership that says you must??

AnCapaillMor

If thats the case, wenger would be bankrupt with all the fines.

Kess73

If a manager cannot use the squads at their disposal for whatever competitions their teams are in, then it pretty makes the process of naming 25 man squads and so on totally worthless.


Does not matter if the manager is Ferguson, McCarthy or Donald Duck, it should be up to the manager to field the team as best serves the interest of the club he is being paid to manage.

If that means playing a number of squad players in one match so that regular first teamers can be rested for the next match, then so be it.

keane2097

The answer to the question in the OP is "No".

/thread

homerjay2005

how many did west ham make last night from saturday?

racso1975

West ham made 7 changes and ironically spector and cole were 2 of those 7

Son Of A Vidic

No and why? What's the point in having a squad of players if you can't use them.

cson

That fine for Wolves and Mick McCarthy was the biggest load of ****e you'll come across for a long time.

I'd have more fines/bans in Championship Manager if this was an actual properly enforced rule. :pac:

ShamoBuc

Of course he shouldn't, both teams were 'guilty' of it, as are most of ( if not all ) other clubs.

IamtheWalrus

Kess73 wrote: »

If a manager cannot use the squads at their disposal for whatever competitions their teams are in, then it pretty makes the process of naming 25 man squads and so on totally worthless.


Does not matter if the manager is Ferguson, McCarthy or Donald Duck, it should be up to the manager to field the team as best serves the interest of the club he is being paid to manage.

If that means playing a number of squad players in one match so that regular first teamers can be rested for the next match, then so be it.

Agreed. I can understand the Premier League trying to uphold the integrity of the league but taking action because a manager utilised the resources available to him is incredible. I suspect that this rule was added to please the sponsors so that the famous players are on always show.

Le King

Yes he should. It's not like Wenger does it. Alex Ferguson is a creep. The man's an idiot, a Mother Theresa.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Amazed at people actually taking this thread seriously...

Sizzler

I think the first XI that started that game last night for United should be fined under "bringing the game into disrepute". They were a disgrace to the game.

Not interested, not bothered and didnt rolled over and had their bellies tickled for 90 mins :mad:

flahavaj

John O' Shea should be fined for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TtruzMfXZU

PCPhoto

THFC wrote: »

Amazed at people actually taking this thread seriously...

it is a serious question - as others have pointed out - there are a number of "high profile" managers who do this regularly....and they are not fined/charged.... but yet... some of the "lower" profile managers get threatened when doing the same.

I'm a liverpool fan - to be fair no matter what team who throw out at the moment - it seems they wont perform to their ability.

As you are a spurs fan (the hint is your username) .... it would be like not fielding van der vaart, bale, modric, defoe, crouch, keane for a game ....theres not a hope of doing that for a premiership game ...so why treat the cup with disrespect and why disrespect the opposition by playing an obviously weakened side.

As was pointed out - west ham also fielded a weakened side.

Namlub

Sizzler wrote: »

I think the first XI that started that game last night for United should be fined under "bringing the game into disrepute". They were a disgrace to the game.

Not interested, not bothered and didnt rolled over and had their bellies tickled for 90 mins :mad:

Or just cut your losses and fine the losing team in every game, because they can't have been trying hard enough :rolleyes:

flahavaj

PCPhoto wrote: »

it is a serious question - as others have pointed out - there are a number of "high profile" managers who do this regularly....and they are not fined/charged.... but yet... some of the "lower" profile managers get threatened when doing the same.

I'm a liverpool fan - to be fair no matter what team who throw out at the moment - it seems they wont perform to their ability.

As you are a spurs fan (the hint is your username) .... it would be like not fielding van der vaart, bale, modric, defoe, crouch, keane for a game ....theres not a hope of doing that for a premiership game ...so why treat the cup with disrespect and why disrespect the opposition by playing an obviously weakened side.

As was pointed out - west ham also fielded a weakened side.

Despite the fact that you're on a really really poor attempt at a wind up it would be appropriate to point out that Liverpool played a very young team in the CC (and indeed have done in the Eurovision all season) and lost against Northampton.

Should've started the thread then tbh, people might have believed you.

Cypher_sounds

When was the last time a team got fined for putting out a 'weakened' team for a Carling cup tie? Rubbish thread.

yahoo_moe

PCPhoto wrote: »

it is a serious question - as others have pointed out - there are a number of "high profile" managers who do this regularly

Yes but in a league every team plays the same opposition, hence the need to make sure you're not giving some clubs easier games than others (at least not from a selection point of view).

Carling Cup that doesn't apply.

Also, everyone seems to forget that McCarthy's fine was suspended.

J. Marston

Why mention just Fergie though? Most Premiership sides play the second string team or at least a few second string players, thats just the way it is.

Dempsey

If letters were written to Holloway/Blackpool & McCarthy/Wolves and the latter handed a suspended fine then surely Ferguson and everyone that does make radical changes be put under the same scrutiny.

I think what happened McCarthy is a farce of the highest order by the FA, surely he has grounds to get his name cleared and that suspended fine lifted?

Zebra3

Just announced on Sky that Man Utd have been found guilty of fielding a weakened side last night and their punishment is to be excluded from the rest of this season's Carling Cup.

The Muppet

There's so much Fail in this thread.:D

adox

Thread is about four years too late and even then would have been laughable.


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enfant terrible

How many changes did Arsenal make?

dfx-

Who said it was a weakened side?

Kuszczak; Smalling, Fabio (Rafael, 65), O'Shea, Evans (Brown, 72); Anderson, Giggs, Fletcher, Bebe (Macheda, 46); Hernandez; Obertan

Between the 14 of them there's one under 17 international, four under 21 internationals and nine full internationals.

They have 270 full caps between them and 2626 first team appearances.

I'd say there's six names there you wouldn't be surprised to see on a United first XI sheet and others that would make it given injuries. Let's not buy the Ferguson nonsense - they were just poor on the night.

Liam O

dfx- wrote: »

Who said it was a weakened side?

Kuszczak; Smalling, Fabio (Rafael, 65), O'Shea, Evans (Brown, 72); Anderson, Giggs, Fletcher, Bebe (Macheda, 46); Hernandez; Obertan

Between the 14 of them there's one under 17 international, four under 21 internationals and nine full internationals.

They have 270 full caps between them and 2626 first team appearances.

I'd say there's six names there you wouldn't be surprised to see on a United first XI sheet and others that would make it given injuries. Let's not buy the Ferguson nonsense - they were just poor on the night.

PIG, Smalling, O'Shea, Evans, Fabio, Anderson, Bebe, Chico and Obertan haven't been first choice this season and neither has Giggs thinking about it. So that leaves 1 first choice player tbh.

Le King

eagle eye

Ferguson, Wenger and every other manager should be treated the same. If one gets a fine then they should all get a fine.

Personally I don't think Mick McCarthy or anybody else should ever have been fined in the first place.

dfx-

Liam O wrote: »

PIG, Smalling, O'Shea, Evans, Fabio, Anderson, Bebe, Chico and Obertan haven't been first choice this season and neither has Giggs thinking about it. So that leaves 1 first choice player tbh.

Indeed. Not unusual to see them in the full first team though except maybe Bebe and Evans. Including the starting XI.

Helix

Paulw wrote: »

Is there a written one for the Premiership that says you must??

yup, all sides have to field the strongest team available to them for any given game

redundant rule since squad registration came in tho

Dave!

No, shut up

Het-Field

racso1975 wrote: »

West ham made 7 changes and ironically spector and cole were 2 of those 7

Be careful ! HomerJay took this defeat rather badly on the other thread !

SantryRed

PCPhoto wrote: »

it is a serious question - as others have pointed out - there are a number of "high profile" managers who do this regularly....and they are not fined/charged.... but yet... some of the "lower" profile managers get threatened when doing the same.

I'm a liverpool fan - to be fair no matter what team who throw out at the moment - it seems they wont perform to their ability.

As you are a spurs fan (the hint is your username) .... it would be like not fielding van der vaart, bale, modric, defoe, crouch, keane for a game ....theres not a hope of doing that for a premiership game ...so why treat the cup with disrespect and why disrespect the opposition by playing an obviously weakened side.

As was pointed out - west ham also fielded a weakened side.

You're wrong! For fcuk sake. ONE person has been charged with this because he openly admitted to playing a weakened team. THAT IS WHY HE WAS FINED. Fcuking hell I hate when people make assumptions without knowing the facts.

5starpool

The FA have no control over this anyhow, as it is a Football League run trophy, rather than an FA run one is it not? Historically this was the case anyways unless it has changed in recent years.

Also, I am all for randomly charging ferguson with things though.

PCPhoto

SantryRed wrote: »

You're wrong! For fcuk sake. ONE person has been charged with this because he openly admitted to playing a weakened team. THAT IS WHY HE WAS FINED. Fcuking hell I hate when people make assumptions without knowing the facts.

Calm down !!! ..... do you take the same reaction to EVERY other thread that YOU consider pointless or ill-informed.... not every thread is based on fact.

The point of the thread was to ask a question of other peoples opinion on the matter....I was not claiming anything bad about the manager or any manager - I was asking for opinions and debate on teams/managers which "squad rotate" for the Carling Cup - and if people thought they were being disrespectful to the cup, the opposition, and their fans.

The fans shell out a decent amount of money to goto these games and in some circumstances players who will never feature in the first team are given a "run out"

28064212

Carling Cup Rules wrote:

6.2 Each Club shall play its full available strength in all Cup Competition matches, unless some satisfactory reason is given. In the event of the explanation not being deemed satisfactory the Management Committee shall have power to impose such penalties as they shall think fit. The provisions governing disciplinary matters in relation to the Competition are contained in Rule 23.

Carling Cup Rules

The Premier League version:

Premier League Rules, Section E wrote:

20. In every League Match each participating Club shall field a full strength team.

The League Cup has historically accepted (through lack of objection) resting players and giving youth a run out as a "satisfactory reason" for not playing full-strength teams. The Premiership has no such get-out clause

28064212

5starpool wrote: »

The FA have no control over this anyhow, as it is a Football League run trophy, rather than an FA run one is it not? Historically this was the case anyways unless it has changed in recent years.

Also, I am all for randomly charging ferguson with things though.

The FA oversee everything football-related in England, including the League Cup.

The Premier League has no power over the League Cup

eagle eye

28064212 wrote: »

Carling Cup Rules

The Premier League version:


The League Cup has historically accepted (through lack of objection) resting players and giving youth a run out as a "satisfactory reason" for not playing full-strength teams. The Premiership has no such get-out clause

From that link.

6.2 Each Club shall play its full available strength in all Cup Competition matches, unless some satisfactory reason is given. In the event of the explanation not being deemed satisfactory the Management Committee shall have power to impose such penalties as they shall think fit. The provisions governing disciplinary matters in relation to the Competition are contained in Rule 23.

28064212

eagle eye wrote: »

From that link.

6.2 Each Club shall play its full available strength in all Cup Competition matches, unless some satisfactory reason is given. In the event of the explanation not being deemed satisfactory the Management Committee shall have power to impose such penalties as they shall think fit. The provisions governing disciplinary matters in relation to the Competition are contained in Rule 23.

Eh... that's exactly the rule I quoted in my post. It's right above the link

My point was that the Premier League's version does not have a "satisfactory reason" clause

super_furry

McCarthy being changed in the first place was an absolute farce, however it did set a precedent.

Sizzler

Namlub wrote: »

Or just cut your losses and fine the losing team in every game, because they can't have been trying hard enough :rolleyes:

You obviously watched the game and thought Utd put in a great workmanlike shift then :rolleyes:

Namlub

Sizzler wrote: »

You obviously watched the game and thought Utd put in a great workmanlike shift then :rolleyes:

You must be really perceptive or something, most people would think that that wasn't what I said at all...

Of course he shouldn't.

But neither should Mc Carthy and anyone else who received fines.

The English FA are jokers anyway.