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    #32
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    elspecia wrote: »
    I've gotten my brother to try it on Ladbrokes free play and so far his up 5 play money after 2 minutes so it seems to work but then again if I were to start this I for sure wouldn't have €200 in my account unlike his 200 play money

    Oh well I'm all turned around on the issue so.

    If your brother has won 5 play euro after 2 whole minutes then surely the entire system is fool proof!

    Quick! Let me get my life savings out from under the mattress and stick it all into your guaranteed 'no-way-this-can-ever-lose-for-me-cause-I've-figured-out-something-that-nobody-else-ever-has-for-some-reason-even-though-many-people-have-tried-and-there's-plenty-of-evidence-pointing-out-the-flaws-in-my-maths-and-my-logic' system.

    We're in the money!
    We're in the money!
    We got a lot of what it takes to get along!


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    #33
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    And crucially, they quickly get their accounts limited by bookies, or are blacklisted entirely, and end up having to place bets by proxies, if they can bet at all.

    Very true. Bookies are very reluctant to engage in a game of cat and mouse with a person who has both the means and the knowledge to beat them at their own game.

    However, some bookies are prepared to accept the big gambles but only in limited circumstances which usually result in large bets having to be shared around.


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    #34
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Tubberadora wrote: »
    my local casino has an outside min bet min of 5 quid and max of 50. So basically lose 4 in a row using this system and you are down 75 and can't get it back with one spin

    The opposite is just as true.

    These limits help restrict their losses in the event of someone going on a roll.


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    #35
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Very true. Bookies are very reluctant to engage in a game of cat and mouse with a person who has both the means and the knowledge to beat them at their own game.

    It used to be they would be happy to sustain a small number of canny gamblers because that indicated where they should shorten their odds. But then the internet came along, and now the bookies all share odds via software that even the public can see.

    Nowadays, that tolerated 2% of winners is an endangered species. Even as the bookies seek to expand the gambling industry, they are seeking to wipe out that 2%.


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    #36
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Why dont you learn to play poker if your interesting in odds/gambling op?


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    #37
    butter13222
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    nuxxx wrote: »
    Why dont you learn to play poker if your interesting in odds/gambling op?

    id agree with this


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    #38
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    nuxxx wrote: »
    Why dont you learn to play poker if your interesting in odds/gambling op?

    To win long term at poker you have to either play better than your opponents over a prolonged period or play against opponents that are less skilled.

    Like every other form of gambling luck levels out.

    If all poker players played to the exact same standard there would be no profit to be had.


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    #39
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    It used to be they would be happy to sustain a small number of canny gamblers because that indicated where they should shorten their odds. But then the internet came along, and now the bookies all share odds via software that even the public can see.

    Nowadays, that tolerated 2% of winners is an endangered species. Even as the bookies seek to expand the gambling industry, they are seeking to wipe out that 2%.

    The good bookies always have the luxury of the mug punter picking up the tab for them.


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    #40
    elspecia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭elspecia


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Oh well I'm all turned around on the issue so.

    If your brother has won 5 play euro after 2 whole minutes then surely the entire system is fool proof!

    Quick! Let me get my life savings out from under the mattress and stick it all into your guaranteed 'no-way-this-can-ever-lose-for-me-cause-I've-figured-out-something-that-nobody-else-ever-has-for-some-reason-even-though-many-people-have-tried-and-there's-plenty-of-evidence-pointing-out-the-flaws-in-my-maths-and-my-logic' system.

    We're in the money!
    We're in the money!
    We got a lot of what it takes to get along!

    I've already acknowledged that the system can't work as bookies impose limits, also I've stated that it would be unlikely that you would invest enough money into your account for it work.

    I've fully read up on Martingale betting system and now know that it won't actually work, if you read my previous posts you can see that I've been coming around to the fact that it won't work.


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    #41
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    Hey OP, i can pass you on the details of a Nigerian Prince who can sort you out with a few quid. Money has to change hands first, but dont mind that, its only the precursor to making MASSIVE money.

    Emall me at: oneborneveryminute@gmail.com


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    #42
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    To win long term at poker you have to either play better than your opponents over a prolonged period or play against opponents that are less skilled.

    Like every other form of gambling luck levels out.
    Poker is the way to go, play it right and make the right decisions and you basically become the bookie, its amazing how weak some of the opposition is at the lower levels.


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    #43
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    orourkeda wrote: »
    To win long term at poker you have to either play better than your opponents over a prolonged period or play against opponents that are less skilled.

    Like every other form of gambling luck levels out.

    If all poker players played to the exact same standard there would be no profit to be had.

    More skill involved in poker than the sh*te systems the OP is endorsing though.


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    #44
    elspecia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭elspecia


    nuxxx wrote: »
    Why dont you learn to play poker if your interesting in odds/gambling op?

    Don't have enough patience to play it long enough to be honest with you, also I've been known to go on the tilt on many occasions in the past:(

    I had an account before where I was up €12 after a week and I was playing on .02/.01 games but then went up to .1/.05 and lost my entire accord in three hands as I was having a bad day


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    #45
    elspecia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭elspecia


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    More skill involved in poker than the sh*te systems the OP is endorsing though.

    I'm not endorsing it, I read about something similar and posted it hear to get the views from people who would have better knowledge that I.


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    #46
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    More skill involved in poker than the sh*te systems the OP is endorsing though.

    There is skill involved.

    The problem is that if you are playing a better player you will lose in the long term.


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    #47
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    orourkeda wrote: »
    The good bookies always have the luxury of the mug punter picking up the tab for them.

    They always did. The problem nowadays is the difficulty of getting to place a bet if you're not a mug. I've had three accounts limited this year alone. Increasingly, I think smart punters will move to betting exchanges, and that in turn will make getting decent bets there difficult once the exchanges get a reputation (as some poker sites have) for being shark infested waters.


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    #48
    Juwwi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,249 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    OP you should write a book on how to beat the bookies.:D


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    #49
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    elspecia wrote: »
    Don't have enough patience to play it long enough to be honest with you, also I've been known to go on the tilt on many occasions in the past:(

    I had an account before where I was up €12 after a week and I was playing on .02/.01 games but then went up to .1/.05 and lost my entire accord in three hands as I was having a bad day

    Can i interest you in a triangular scheme? Minimum investment, guaranteed return. Its a licence to print money. It has turned my life around.

    Honest.


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    #50
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    Poker is the way to go, play it right and make the right decisions and you basically become the bookie, its amazing how weak some of the opposition is at the lower levels.

    Again, you will make a profit if you are the better player. Then of course we have the dreaded suck out. I've gone months on end where I've played solid poker at low levels and couldnt win a hand to save my life.

    Long term profit relies on a greater skill level over the long term at the levels at which you choose to play.


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    #51
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    elspecia wrote: »
    Don't have enough patience to play it long enough to be honest with you, also I've been known to go on the tilt on many occasions in the past:(

    I had an account before where I was up €12 after a week and I was playing on .02/.01 games but then went up to .1/.05 and lost my entire accord in three hands as I was having a bad day
    You are not going to make any money at those limits, plus that is where the manics and fish reside, lots of variance. You also need at least 30 time the buy in to have any chance of insulating yourself against going busto (obviously only applies if you are a winning player).
    My advice, buy a good book, learn the ins and outs and try at a higher level ($0.5/$1).
    Check out the poker forum, some great info there


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    #52
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    They always did. The problem nowadays is the difficulty of getting to place a bet if you're not a mug. I've had three accounts limited this year alone. Increasingly, I think smart punters will move to betting exchanges, and that in turn will make getting decent bets there difficult once the exchanges get a reputation (as some poker sites have) for being shark infested waters.

    At least on the exchanges you can maintain relative anonymity. They take their commission and after that they're happy out. It's every man for himself after that


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    #53
    elspecia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭elspecia


    Captain Darling wrote: »
    Can i interest you in a triangular scheme? Minimum investment, guaranteed return. Its a licence to print money. It has turned my life around.

    Honest.

    By any chance is this you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff


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    #54
    elspecia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭elspecia


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    You are not going to make any money at those limits, plus that is where the manics and fish reside, lots of variance. You also need at least 30 time the buy in to have any chance of insulating yourself against going busto (obviously only applies if you are a winning player).
    My advice, buy a good book, learn the ins and outs and try at a higher level ($0.5/$1).
    Check out the poker forum, some great info there

    Cheers mate, I'm going to go and check it later


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    #55
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    elspecia wrote: »
    By any chance is this you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
    This is the royal me....


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    #56
    Sticky_Fingers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Sticky_Fingers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Again, you will make a profit if you are the better player. Then of course we have the dreaded suck out. I've gone months on end where I've played solid poker at low levels and couldnt win a hand to save my life.

    Long term profit relies on a greater skill level over the long term at the levels at which you choose to play.
    Not trying to be smart but are you sure you are playing winning poker, have you analysed your play to spot any leaks you may have (everyone has them, some of mine are shocking but I'm working on correcting that).


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    #57
    Cavehill Red
    Registered Users Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    orourkeda wrote: »
    At least on the exchanges you can maintain relative anonymity. They take their commission and after that they're happy out. It's every man for himself after that

    Yeah, but as I said, I think their time is probably numbered once people realise that's where sharks gather. Then again, the bookies are all sharks too, so perhaps the exchanges mightn't wither.
    I guess I'm just pessimistic after my experiences with bookies this year. I'll probably move most of my gambling to the exchanges soon enough. I'd have done so already were it not for the stupid %ages of commission they charge.


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    #58
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    Not trying to be smart but are you sure you are playing winning poker, have you analysed your play to spot any leaks you may have (everyone has them, some of mine are shocking but I'm working on correcting that).

    I just went through a losing period. Like most players, It was just a phase where even hiting quads and good full houses were losing and there is little or nothing you can do.


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    #59
    Tubberadora
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Tubberadora


    Sticky_Fingers wrote: »
    You are not going to make any money at those limits, plus that is where the manics and fish reside, lots of variance. You also need at least 30 time the buy in to have any chance of insulating yourself against going busto (obviously only applies if you are a winning player).
    My advice, buy a good book, learn the ins and outs and try at a higher level ($0.5/$1).
    Check out the poker forum, some great info there
    I'm sorry but that is ridiculous advice. He would need about 3k and a book to become a winning player at
    .5/1 that simple is it?


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    #60
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    Oh great, people arguing about how to play poker on an internet forum. It always turns into a massive dick measuring contest and nobody else is ever right.

    Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them, but not everyone wants to see (or hear) them.


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    #61
    AskMyChocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    You don't actually have to be a particularly good poker player to be a winning poker player. Self-awareness and the ability to analyse honestly why you won/lost are more important. The best attribute a poker player can have is to be able to sit into a ring game and assess accurately which players are better than you and which are worse imo.


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