FIFA World Cup UK World Cup Bid - Not a soccer fan but England shoulda got it.

CDfm

I am not a soccer fan in any real sense but I always fancied going to the World Cup at least for 1 game.

I know the English can be annoying with their we invented the game and we are going to win the World Cup everytime but you could imagine all the happy smiley faces if they were to host the competition.

Another example of World Cup cheating -like what happened us at the "hands" of the French.

So for all the British/English out there - I'm with ya - you was robbed and I feel your pain. :mad:

amacachi

I wouldn't say they were completely robbed, but Qatar getting the 2022 WC is probably what's winding them up just as much.

SugarHigh

Why would FIFA want a world cup in England. Having it in Russia expands a growing market and having it in the middle east opens up a whole new market. England has no room for growth so there is nothing to gain because football in the uk cant get any bigger.

While FIFA is a nonprofit organisation it is still a business, the more money it makes the more money it's CEO makes and isn't the aim of FIFA to spread football around the world?

CDfm

South Africa was fairly inaccessable -and Russia & Qatar.As Miley used to say "Well Holy God".

Anyway, its like the Eurovision -partisan and Ireland does not even have a vote.

I didn't watch that either. I didn't watch any World Cup Games either last time -no pizzazz..

The English take their football seriously and should be a host country. Its only fair.

amacachi

CDfm wrote: »

The English take their football seriously and should be a host country. Its only fair.

LOL. The Russians don't?

SugarHigh

CDfm wrote: »

The English take their football seriously and should be a host country. Its only fair.

I don't understand that argument at all. You realise the aim of FIFA is to increase the market for football around the world?

It may act as a nonprofit organisation but it's a business with CEO's who want even bigger wages.

You're just a romanticising a business.

Mrmoe

SugarHigh wrote: »

I don't understand that argument at all. You realise the aim of FIFA is to increase the market for football around the world?

It may act as a nonprofit organisation but it's a business with CEO's who want even bigger wages.

You're just a romanticising a business.

That's not true though.

FIFA, world football’s governing body, made the decision despite the England 2018 team claiming that it could host the “most commercially successful World Cup ever”.

England’s bid scored 100% across the board for ticketing, TV and media rights, sponsorship, hospitality and merchandise/licensing, better than any rivals, including Russia, according to management consultants McKinsey.

http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/sectors/sport/england-2018-world-cup-bid-fails/3021270.article

You are correct in saying that it is a business and a corrupt one at that. You only need to look at the pricing of tickets especially in the recent world cup in South Africa. Those were exactly encouraging those of lower income from poorer backgrounds to attend the games. The Russian bid of itself is just a little suspicious but the fact that Qatar will host the following world cup is the final straw for a lot of people. Giving it to any of the other countries would have had a much bigger impact than giving it to Qatar. Fifa are a commercial organisation and they will always favor the route that will give them the most money. If you look at the ranking system it is frequently used to keep the larger and more commercially successful teams at the world cup or other championships.

CDfm

SugarHigh wrote: »

I don't understand that argument at all.

You're just a romanticising a business.

No its a happy thing.

I think they should have gotten it and it would have given a huge feelgood factor to England and here.

Whats wrong with romantising something people have an emotional attachment to.

ted1

england is inaccessible if you kite in russia. Besides the english would just riot. Soccer scum.

Happy Monday

It's about development.
Russia will pull the finger out and build a lot of new stadia ahead of 2018.
Plus it will leave a legacy in that country for football as in 2002 and 2010.
England - football couldn't be any more popular than it is already.
Makes sense to me.

Plus a nice contribution to Blatter's pension was well appreciated I am sure.

CDfm

ted1 wrote: »

england is inaccessible if you kite in russia. Besides the english would just riot. Soccer scum.

And the Russians don't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dZzx80GT4o

Tchaikovsky

Happy Monday wrote: »

It's about development.
Russia will pull the finger out and build a lot of new stadia ahead of 2018.
Plus it will leave a legacy in that country for football as in 2002 and 2010.
England - football couldn't be any more popular than it is already.
Makes sense to me.

Plus a nice contribution to Blatter's pension was well appreciated I am sure.

Blatter is President for Life, so there'll be no need for a pension and the 2022 final will be between Adidas and Nike.

I don't see the 2018 leaving any legacy among the vast majority of people in Russia, i.e those who aren't mafioso or oligarchs. They won't even be able to afford to go to any of the games.

Rubik.

They got 2 votes and one of them was their own. Instead of trying to play FIFA's corrupt schmooze fest, which they clearly aren't very good at, the likes of the English FA should be exposing FIFA for sham it is. Rip it up and start again.

CDfm

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Blatter is President for Life, so there'll be no need for a pension and the 2022 final will be between Adidas and Nike.

A President for Life - now thats dictatorship terretory.:eek:

Rubik. wrote: »

They got 2 votes and one of them was their own. Instead of trying to play FIFA's corrupt schmooze fest, which they clearly aren't very good at, the likes of the English FA should be exposing FIFA for sham it is. Rip it up and start again.

Its like X-factor World Cup or an I'm the World Cup Get me Out of Here.

SugarHigh

Mrmoe wrote: »

That's not true though.



http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/sectors/sport/england-2018-world-cup-bid-fails/3021270.article

You are correct in saying that it is a business and a corrupt one at that. You only need to look at the pricing of tickets especially in the recent world cup in South Africa. Those were exactly encouraging those of lower income from poorer backgrounds to attend the games. The Russian bid of itself is just a little suspicious but the fact that Qatar will host the following world cup is the final straw for a lot of people. Giving it to any of the other countries would have had a much bigger impact than giving it to Qatar. Fifa are a commercial organisation and they will always favor the route that will give them the most money. If you look at the ranking system it is frequently used to keep the larger and more commercially successful teams at the world cup or other championships.

First off that's just a CLAIM made by england. I wasn't talking about just during the world cup I was talking about the entire middle east who might start to take an interest in football.

SugarHigh

CDfm wrote: »

No its a happy thing.

I think they should have gotten it and it would have given a huge feelgood factor to England and here.

Whats wrong with romantising something people have an emotional attachment to.

Why should FIFA make decisions based on what makes England feel good. They're a business. Do Topaz lower the price of petrol because it would make us feel good?:D

Whats wrong with romantising something people have an emotional attachment to.

It doesn't lead to logical arguments instead we end up with emotional arguments like "The world cup should be England because I really wanted it to be"

SugarHigh

CDfm wrote: »

A President for Life - now thats dictatorship terretory.:eek:




Its like X-factor World Cup or an I'm the World Cup Get me Out of Here.

It's a private company not a government, it is only in control of people who willingly put themselves under their control or governments who put their people under the control of FIFA's rules but that is still done with the will of the people.

Gerty

Why give it to Russia and Qatar? Spread the game bollix. Reward the racists. Reward their human rights record. These countries should have to sort themselves out before getting the world cup.

England's football hooliganism is nothing compared to what it used to be. Where is their reward for their improvements? Without those english fans, the premier league would be nothing. It all started with them. Where is their reward for being so loyal and passionate about their football? Sure give it to Qatar, spread the game, wonderful. Infuriating. Corrupt.

Hate or Love the english, they deserve something.

Like another poster said, rip it up and start again. Fifa is evil to the core and i'm ashamed that men like them run the game i love.

BCC4LYFE

lol why do england and their fans deserve a world cup?

CDfm

Gerty wrote: »

Why give it to Russia and Qatar? Spread the game bollix. Reward the racists.


Hate or Love the english, they deserve something.

Exactly what I think

SugarHigh wrote: »

It doesn't lead to logical arguments instead we end up with emotional arguments like "The world cup should be England because I really wanted it to be"

SugarHigh wrote: »

It's a private company not a government, it is only in control of people who willingly put themselves under their control or governments who put their people under the control of FIFA's rules but that is still done with the will of the people.

Like any entertainment it is about the fans too - English fans are passionate about football but were not always passionate about the international game.

It is becoming WWE -with these choices but WWE goes to the fans.

So yes the English fans deserve the spectacle for their support and the choices of South Africa, Russia & Qatar are extreme.

Its not just the English fans but the northern european fans who would enjoy it.

SugarHigh

Gerty wrote: »

These countries should have to sort themselves out before getting the world cup. .

lol you realise Qatar has one of the highest standard of living in the world?:D

SugarHigh

CDfm wrote: »

Exactly what I think







Like any entertainment it is about the fans too - English fans are passionate about football but were not always passionate about the international game.

It is becoming WWE -with these choices but WWE goes to the fans.

So yes the English fans deserve the spectacle for their support and the choices of South Africa, Russia & Qatar are extreme.

Its not just the English fans but the northern european fans who would enjoy it.

You realise that sort of thinking would mean it hardly ever left Europe?

Gerty

SugarHigh wrote: »

lol you realise Qatar has one of the highest standard of living in the world?:D

We're not talking about standard of living here. It's the right to live how you want. For example, 'A man convicted of having sexual relations with another man older than 16 is subject to a sentence of seven years in prison under section 285 of the criminal law. There were an unknown number of cases before the courts during the year. There were no lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) organizations in the country.'- That was 2009

CDfm

SugarHigh wrote: »

You realise that sort of thinking would mean it hardly ever left Europe?

I know and Columbus would never have discovered America or man would not have landed on the moon.

It isn't selfish to want it in our neighbouring country for a cheap trip to a world cup game. So it may benefit me too & lots of other Irish people.

Hey, and,there is the fun aspect you don't get with the Olympics which is so serious.

BCC4LYFE wrote: »

lol why do england and their fans deserve a world cup?

The World Cup is the dogs anatomical appendage of sporting competitions. I don't see why the British fans & people don't have the opportunity to stage it.

Tchaikovsky

CDfm wrote: »

The World Cup is the dogs anatomical appendage of sporting competitions. I don't see why the British fans & people don't have the opportunity to stage it.

There's always something corporate-smelling when it comes to FIFA; two countries with more than their fair share of oligarchs and representations of the 'nouveau riche' that are currently destroying the English domestic game get the World Cup in the same day.

I'd like to think it's because of the negative reaction to Germany getting the World Cup over South Africa in 2006 that the opportunity is spreading out to countries in the east, but I doubt it.

When you look at it, France, Italy and Germany have staged it twice, Sweden, Switzerland and England have staged it once; that's alot of tournaments for one small corner of the world.

Raze_them_all

Does anyone think Ireland should host the worldcup??

We have more/bigger/better stadiums than quatar.

Better weather for it.

More accomidating to fans. (the women especially)

We are bigger than quatar.

No?? Me either so why the **** should quatar get it?

Raze_them_all

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

There's always something corporate-smelling when it comes to FIFA; two countries with more than their fair share of oligarchs and representations of the 'nouveau riche' that are currently destroying the English domestic game get the World Cup in the same day.

I'd like to think it's because of the negative reaction to Germany getting the World Cup over South Africa in 2006 that the opportunity is spreading out to countries in the east, but I doubt it.

When you look at it, France, Italy and Germany have staged it twice, Sweden, Switzerland and England have staged it once; that's alot of tournaments for one small corner of the world.

4 out of 6 are world cup winners with a history of football

CDfm

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

There's always something corporate-smelling when it comes to FIFA; two countries with more than their fair share of oligarchs and representations of the 'nouveau riche' that are currently destroying the English domestic game get the World Cup in the same day.

I'd like to think it's because of the negative reaction to Germany getting the World Cup over South Africa in 2006 that the opportunity is spreading out to countries in the east, but I doubt it.

When you look at it, France, Italy and Germany have staged it twice, Sweden, Switzerland and England have staged it once; that's alot of tournaments for one small corner of the world.

Very good point and England have not held it since 1966 so for a major footballing nation they should have a reasonable expectation of hosting it.

Raze_them_all wrote: »

4 out of 6 are world cup winners with a history of football

Like it or not , you could stage the next world cup in England and it would accomodate it with great facilities.

There is something almost childlike in the English belief that they can win the World Cup and get robbed every time. The enthusiasm would be infectious and teams would love to play new Wembley or Old Trafford.

It would be a deadly buzz

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What about the fact that Qatar does not admit Israelis? Sure they said they would let the team participate should it qualify but what about the fans?

Sport is meant to transcend boundaries, this stinks of cushie pay offs

Raze_them_all

CDfm wrote: »

Very good point and England have not held it since 1966 so for a major footballing nation they should have a reasonable expectation of hosting it.



Like it or not , you could stage the next world cup in England and it would accomodate it with great facilities.

There is something almost childlike in the English belief that they can win the World Cup and get robbed every time. The enthusiasm would be infectious and teams would love to play new Wembley or Old Trafford.

It would be a deadly buzz

To be fair to england think of it this way, they got the highest marks out of all the bids.

It'd be like going for a job, being the best candidate in every criteria they're looking for, but the job going to the flat chested ugly one who promised she'd get a tit job and some plastic surgery down the line

CDfm

Giancarlo Quick Scum wrote: »

What about the fact that Qatar does not admit Israelis? Sure they said they would let the team participate should it qualify but what about the fans?

Sport is meant to transcend boundaries, this stinks of cushie pay offs

Its 41 C/ 106 F 48/ 115 during the summer and its not exactly las vegas.Its a desert peninsula.

I don't know what people did in South Africa or how they spent their time but this place will be highly regulated.

What about all the fans -it will be expensive to get there and stay there.

Raze_them_all wrote: »

but the job going to the flat chested ugly one who promised she'd get a tit job and some plastic surgery down the line

Pete Burns for Miss World :pac: