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FIFA World Cup UK World Cup Bid - Not a soccer fan but England shoulda got it.
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Pherekydes wrote: »
I don't know why people are whining about Russia being so far away. How many Irish go to New York for shopping trips?
Who ever went on a shopping trip to Russia
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Who ever went on a shopping trip to Russia
Not sure if you're being serious, but NY is in the US. My point was that Russia isn't very far away. Not as far as the US. And the WC lasts for a month. Yet people can go to NY for a weekend shopping trip.
In these days of jet travel, nowhere is very far away.0 -
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Raze_them_all wrote: »Women have to wear long skirts(below the knee) and can't show midriff according to one the girls who regularly goes to qatar to see her father.
Now I'm know I'm not alone in my love of the world cup for the serious tottie it brings out. It won't be as good when it has to be covered up.
Here is a picture of Caroline Wozniacki playing the WTA Championships in Qatar this year. That skirt is hardly below her knee. When it comes to hosting rich sporting tournaments, the usual rules go out the window in Qatar.
Anyway, the idea that there has to be semi-naked women in the crowd for certain people to enjoy a World Cup pretty much emphasizes that football is not the reason they are watching. I'm as red blooded a man as is possible, but I watch football for the football.
Also, this off court gallery is pretty interesting for anybody interested in seeing what Qatar looks like.
http://www.wtachampionships.com/articles/20101029/doha-off-court-gallery-i_2267567_2197811
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Pictures may possibly be the best way to show Doha and Qatar.
Who would not want to play in or visit this stadium? And remember they have 12 years to make much, much better stadiums.
For a visual interpretation of what those stadiums will look like, are you liking the look of this?
Missing Times Square or Shopping on Fifth Avenue? Think Qatar has nowhere to shop? What about these?
Or how about impressive views?
For anybody interested in seeing more of Qatar's bid for the World Cup, visit this page and you can view photos and videos outlining their bid.
http://www.qatar.to/stadiums/World-Cup-2022-stadiums.php0 -
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Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »Qatar has more money than Allah and whilst conservative it is more liberal than Wahabbist Saudi. My bet a lot more liberal in 12 years time.
120 years time it may be liberal -but not in 12 years.Raze_them_all wrote: »Women have to wear long skirts(below the knee) and can't show midriff according to one the girls who regularly goes to qatar to see her father.
Now I'm know I'm not alone in my love of the world cup for the serious tottie it brings out. It won't be as good when it has to be covered up.
It is seriously conservative. As to the costs of attenting it etc -thats anyones guess.parker kent wrote: »Personal opinion is perfectly valid. I have no problem with that. I would have preferred if it was in Spain/Portugal. I had a fantasy of Argentina playing Spain in the Camp Nou and seeing the Catalans cheering for Messi. That will never happen now, which is a pity in my opinion.
Thats a seriously good thought.But the other stuff that is being said (including outright lies) is not called for. You wanted it in England, fair enough. But there are hundreds of millions who wanted it in Russia or Qatar.
I wanted it for England & I do think they deserve to get it as one of the Premier footballing nations.
Its not because of spin or press ,or anything else but I think they genuinely deserve it. Yup - I laugh at their optimism every World Cup but England is one of the footballing Mecca's and I am not a huge football fan but if I was to go to a World Cup - thats one I would want to go to.
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Its not because of spin or press ,or anything else but I think they genuinely deserve it. Yup - I laugh at their optimism every World Cup but England is one of the footballing Mecca's and I am not a huge football fan but if I was to go to a World Cup - thats one I would want to go to.
This is the last I will contribute to this. England have already had a World Cup. They hosted the European Championships 14 years ago. Just because they feel like hosting another tournament does not make them deserving of yet another tournament. I don't think a World Cup should go to a country that has already had it when there is a new option available. There is no special reason why England "deserve" to host a World Cup.
There is a lot of Old World superiority on view in recent arguments about this. People in this part of the world are not any more special or deserving of a convenient World Cup when vast amounts of the World have never had one. Especially when 50% of the last four World Cups were hosted in Western Europe. Just because you did not go to either one of those is not enough of a reason for the tournament to be hosted here yet again.0 -
Football is Culture !
and they all played for the Union of Soviet Writers & Musicians Works Team.. won the double in 1928 !
Thats settled that question then -why oh why did they go back to writing depressing books thenBottle_of_Smoke wrote: »It'll be like Morocco of today. Locals have to stick to Islamic law but the white foreigners do what they like
Islamic societies do not work that way and unlike Morocco it has oil so does not rely on tourism for income.
So I do not really agree with your pov.parker kent wrote: ». There is no special reason why England "deserve" to host a World Cup.
There is a lot of Old World superiority on view in recent arguments about this.
Nothing about superiority from me but it would be more convenient for me and with no shortage of places to stay - I am gutted. I am taking all this personally - so no Xmas card for you Mr Kent
Why shouldnt we want the more convenient and selfish option.0 -
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Mexico (North America) staged it twice.. sorry for being pedanticparker kent wrote: »The USA, Japan/Korea and South Africa are the only times it has been outside of these countries.
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parker kent wrote: »parker kent wrote: »The New Statesman also has an interesting piece on Qatar. As has been mentioned elsewhere, Qatar is a more liberal country than it's neighbours. Granted that is pretty easy. But their recent history suggests they have been liberalizing for some time. When big-money sport is involved, they become even more liberal. Look at Caroline Wozniacki wandering around Doha in a skirt half way up her thigh.
One should note that the board-walk that is being cited as "look how woman-friendly-liberal it all is" has been cleared of everybody to take that photo. I would not be so quick to tout that photo as evidence, as the lack of anybody else - even in the far background - suggests it was very much choreographed. If you had a picture of her strolling through a busy street then it would have far more credibility.
I don't doubt that Qatar is more western (read: "women") friendly than other arab nations in and around the Middle East, but don't lose sight of the wood for the trees. I question the ability of such a small nation - population wise - to absorb well over it's own number in foreign spectators and keep it all segregated successfully (as it would need to do to "hide the underbelly" as you put it).0 -
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One should note that the board-walk that is being cited as "look how woman-friendly-liberal it all is" has been cleared of everybody to take that photo. I would not be so quick to tout that photo as evidence, as the lack of anybody else - even in the far background - suggests it was very much choreographed. If you had a picture of her strolling through a busy street then it would have far more credibility.
I don't doubt that Qatar is more western (read: "women") friendly than other arab nations in and around the Middle East, but don't lose sight of the wood for the trees. I question the ability of such a small nation - population wise - to absorb well over it's own number in foreign spectators and keep it all segregated successfully (as it would need to do to "hide the underbelly" as you put it).
Firstly, that is one picture from a number of galleries. I mentioned these galleries and gave the link to the website, so people could browse the other pictures. No doubt it is stage managed, but all PR shots are stage managed. There are many other pictures on the WTA website with the players amongst the locals. I mainly chose that picture as Wozniacki looked particularly hot in it
I have at many stages throughout the thread referred to the issues Qatar has with women's rights and I have posted articles that detail such issues, so I am obviously aware of them.
My point is that when it comes to sport, they will bend the rules. I also posted a picture of her wearing much less whilst playing in the final in a packed stadium. They could easily have told the WTA that they had to wear less revealing outfits on court. They all have alternate attire with leggings etc that are worn in the warm-ups or in cooler climates. They are likely to make similar allowances for the World Cup.
There will be sections of Doha that will be used for the World Cup and many Westerners are likely to rarely leave those sections. But they will be able to, and they will be able to enjoy leaving the sections. The use of the word underbelly is probably a mistake on my part. I just meant that there will be an obvious difference between the places specifically for westerners and those that are just the normal parts of Qatar. Whilst there are clear issues in Qatar, it is not anything like the problems in South Africa.
As for dealing with the influx of tourists, that will be a big problem. But it is not an insurmountable problem. They have plenty of options to deal with it and they are in a far better position than Ireland would for example. There is also the option of staying in nearby places such as Dubai. That has often happened with major events in Europe. For example, some countries had looked into the possibility of staying and training in Ireland during the London Olympics.0 -
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Yeah, totally agree with the OP. I am a soccer fan and Fifa's corruption is so blatant at this stage, it's comical. Russia isn't exactly the friendliest place to go and will be expensive in terms of getting there. And what about Visas? Is it a case that only ticket holders are entitled to a Visa? A lot of people travel to the World Cup without a ticket simply to enjoy the atmosphere of the host cities...
As for Qatar, an even more absurd decision. A country with a population of 1 million people and smaller in size than Connacht. Qatar simply cannot justify building 12/14 world class stadiums. Imagine Castlebar building an 80,000 state-of-the-art soccer stadium and then building another one a few miles down the road. Farcical. This is what it's going to be like in Qatar.
Afaik, most of the in Qatar stadiums are going to be demolished after the World Cup. What a waste?
At least give the tournament to a country who may have a use for these huge stadiums.
Aside from that, you have to question whether the authorities in Qatar and Russia will be able to deal with a huge influx foreign cultures. Is alcohol allowed in public in Qatar, for example? They may be in for some shock!0 -
Ah here, go read the thread at least.Johnny Utah wrote: »Yeah, totally agree with the OP. I am a soccer fan and Fifa's corruption is so blatant at this stage, it's comical. Russia isn't exactly the friendliest place to go and will be expensive in terms of getting there. And what about Visas? Is it a case that only ticket holders are entitled to a Visa? A lot of people travel to the World Cup without a ticket simply to enjoy the atmosphere of the host cities...
As for Qatar, an even more absurd decision. A country with a population of 1 million people and smaller in size than Connacht. Qatar simply cannot justify building 12/14 world class stadiums. Imagine Castlebar building an 80,000 state-of-the-art soccer stadium and then building another one a few miles down the road. Farcical. This is what it's going to be like in Qatar.
Afaik, most of the in Qatar stadiums are going to be demolished after the World Cup. What a waste? At least give the tournament to a country who may have a use for these huge stadiums.
Aside from that, you have to question whether the authorities in Qatar and Russia will be able to deal with a huge influx foreign cultures. Is alcohol allowed in public in Qatar, for example? They may be in for some shock!0 -
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Johnny Utah wrote: »Afaik, most of the in Qatar stadiums are going to be demolished after the World Cup. What a waste? At least give the tournament to a country who may have a use for these huge stadiums.
You do know the stadiums are being rebuilt elsewhere after the tournament? They are not just being demolished never to be seen again. Part of their legacy agreement is that the stadiums will be given to Third World countries. For CDfm, I imagine this is what Raze_them_all meant when he said "read the thread."Johnny Utah wrote: »Aside from that, you have to question whether the authorities in Qatar and Russia will be able to deal with a huge influx foreign cultures. Is alcohol allowed in public in Qatar, for example? They may be in for some shock!
Again, read the thread or anything at all about Qatar before posting incorrect and/or uninformed information.
Also, why exactly do you think Russia could not cope with an influx of people? It is Russia FFS! They have held the Summer Olympics, are hosting the 2014 Winter Olympics, hosted a Champions League final and well, it is RUSSIA! You know, one of the biggest and most powerful countries in the world. Of course they can handle an influx of people.Johnny Utah wrote: »Yeah, totally agree with the OP. I am a soccer fan and Fifa's corruption is so blatant at this stage, it's comical. Russia isn't exactly the friendliest place to go and will be expensive in terms of getting there. And what about Visas? Is it a case that only ticket holders are entitled to a Visa? A lot of people travel to the World Cup without a ticket simply to enjoy the atmosphere of the host cities...
All indications are that Russia are scrapping the need to have Visas for the World Cup. This was a key element for FIFA. Putin and various others have made public comments about the Visa issue.0 -
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