If pearl harbour had not happened?

jonniebgood1

On the eve of pearl harbour anniversary what are peoples view on the attack in terms of whether it could have been prevented or not. I am not a fan of conspiracy theory but it did seen to pave a conveniently smooth path to war for FDR.

President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

1. denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
2. on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
3. having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.

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Posts do not have to relate to this conspiracy theory- it may also be interesting to explore what may have happened if the Japanese had not attacked Pearl harbour?... How in particular would this have effected the European war?

killerking

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

On the eve of pearl harbour anniversary what are peoples view on the attack in terms of whether it could have been prevented or not. I am not a fan of conspiracy theory but it did seen to pave a conveniently smooth path to war for FDR.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html?q=pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

Posts do not have to relate to this conspiracy theory- it may also be interesting to explore what may have happened if the Japanese had not attacked Pearl harbour?... How in particular would this have effected the European war?

If Pearl Harbour had not occurred the Americans might not have gone to war in the Pacific and might have kept out of the war in Europe (Hitler declared war after Pearl Harbour.)

But that is a big stretch.

By 1941, battleships were already obsolete because of their exposure to attack from carrier-based torpedo dive bombing. The destruction or the crippling of many of the major American battleships by the attack on Pearl Harbour was irrelevant because the US carrier fleet was left untouched.
After Pearl Harbour, when the US industrial machine got going at hurricane pace, the US Navy mushroomed in size and scores of carriers were built which rendered the Japanese attack utterly futile.

The aggressive expansion of the Japanese in the Pacific - conquering Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia, the Phillipines etc meant that a military confrontation with the Americans was inevitable. To continue their empire building they would have had to attack the Americans to access the oil wealth and mineral resources of the Asian region.

America was going to intervene one way or another down the line despite isolationist head in the sand attitude of many in the political elite.

The strangle hold of Japanese control of the Eastern Pacific and Nazi domination of the Eastern Atlantic if Britain had been allowed to fall under Nazi control would have force America into the war.

The existence of the United States democracy and industrial powerhouse was the No.1 threat to Japanese and German ambitions.

The Japanese and Germans believed the Americans did not have the stomach to fight on two fronts, to sustain horrific war casualties and to reach the Japanese and German homeland and were cruelly proven wrong.

The Americans fell back on their Olympian industrial output to keep Britain, China and Russia supplied and to provide their military with firepower they used to level cities and mow down the poorer armed and supplied fascist armies.

xflyer

If Pearl Harbour hadn't happened there would be another spark to ignite the war against Japan. The Japanese were bent on aggressive expansion in the pacific and far east. They had to come into conflict with the Americans at some point. Remember the Pearl Harbour attack coincided with an all out offensive in the Phillippines, which was an American protectorate and places like Singapore.

What the conspiracy enthusiasts fail to realise is exactly what FDR and others knew. It simply wasn't in America's best interests to have two ultra nationalist and expansionist regimes dominating the world. But because of the isolationist tendencies of many Americans they needed an excuse. In Pearl Harbour they got it. Whether they knew of it or not in advance isn't particularly relevant. The USA had to join the war at some point.

There are plenty around these days who believe both Germany and Japan were manipulated into taking the aggressive action they took. Even if that was true both regimes were expansionist in nature. They needed little excuse. Eventually they would come into conflict with US interests.