Delaney again

FatherTed

Whatever about the merits of MLS in the US, it is a professional league. But John Delaney, FAI Chief Executive doesn't know it exists....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yerKngT8nc

Mars Bar

How do these people get these jobs?! Bloody hell...

Blatter

Good old John Delaney, the Mattie McGrath of the FAI.

PCPhoto

mars bar wrote: »

How do these people get these jobs?! Bloody hell...

because they interview well ..... and they might know some people involved in the organisation.

in regards to John Delaney - I have no idea if he knows someone in the FAI prior to being appointed "head monkey".

it does seem as though he is the Mary Coughlan of the football world !!

Mars Bar

PCPhoto wrote: »

because they interview well ..... and they might know some people involved in the organisation.

in regards to John Delaney - I have no idea if he knows someone in the FAI prior to being appointed "head monkey".

it does seem as though he is the Mary Coughlan of the football world !!

Well I doubt John interviews well, his hair has more charisma than he does.

Gavin "shels"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0mEv4tPekI

No where near as cringeworthy as this f*cking gem! Gob****e!

PCPhoto

no offence intended towards Mr Cullen ...but you need to think of Ireland as a whole .... not just Dublin.

The quicker we get these politicians out and replace them with business and industry leaders (people who actually have some experience in their position) the better.

its been said before ...but you cant have a minister for finance with NO finance or business background/experience.

Back on to the main topic - Delaney.... once more showing his "experience" in football ....after X amount of years (I have no idea nor do I care how long he's in the position - I do home the next Chief Exec has experience in the runnings of a football association - from both grass roots and international)

ollaetta

PCPhoto wrote: »

I have no idea if he knows someone in the FAI prior to being appointed "head monkey".

Wasn't his auld fella there before him?

Drummerboy2

ollaetta wrote: »

Wasn't his auld fella there before him?

Yep, was dismissed after a load of ticket money went missing. He got involved with a ticket tout who either absconded with the tickets or the money. HE was sacked and Delaney junior vowed to exact revenge on those who sacked him. And to be good to his word, they all eventually became victims of Junior. He then proceeded to gather around him a bunch of Yes Men and became the most powerful, (and best paid) administrator in Irish football. The guy earns nearly twice as much as a government minister for running a tin pot organisation. Only in Ireland.

Fuhrer

Gavin shels wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0mEv4tPekI

No where near as cringeworthy as this f*cking gem! Gob****e!

Thats like when Wimbeldon were planning on moving to Dublin

OhNoYouDidn't

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

Yep, was dismissed after a load of ticket money went missing. He got involved with a ticket tout who either absconded with the tickets or the money. HE was sacked and Delaney junior vowed to exact revenge on those who sacked him. And to be good to his word, they all eventually became victims of Junior. He then proceeded to gather around him a bunch of Yes Men and became the most powerful, (and best paid) administrator in Irish football. The guy earns nearly twice as much as a government minister for running a tin pot organisation. Only in Ireland.

And under his tenure he has more than doubled playing numbers, hired Koovermans to take on the performance managemen to great success, got the FAI half ownership of a world class stadium, more than tripled the number of development officers, introduced the Football for All initiative which is considered the best in the world etc etc

The man is massively respected by the grassroots

But as none of this effects the ole ole brigade, its ignored...

Blatter

To think this guy was being paid in excess of €400,000 per annum for years.

About time he took a cut, although it hasn't benn revealed how much exactly he will be cut.

Seriously though, ~€400,000 for this joke of a guy who clearly hasn't got a clue what he's doing. What's even more sickening is that he got his contract extended in July 2010, till 2015.

The FAI board of directors and people who make these decisions need to be removed aswell, if they are making these sort of sick decisions then what damage are they doing to the game in Ireland?

bohsman

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

got the FAI half ownership of a world class stadium

Nope, got them a 60 (?) year lease, RFU own the whole stadium.

Orizio

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

got the FAI half ownership of a world class stadium,

Yeah I'd try that one again...

Delaney seems to have done a cracking job at underage/grassroots level though.

Orizio

bohsman wrote: »

Nope, got them a 60 (?) year lease, RFU own the whole stadium.

I don't think the lease is anywhere near that long. Heard it was more like 30?

Fr Tod Umptious

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And under his tenure he has more than doubled playing numbers, hired Koovermans to take on the performance managemen to great success, got the FAI half ownership of a world class stadium, more than tripled the number of development officers, introduced the Football for All initiative which is considered the best in the world etc etc

The man is massively respected by the grassroots

But as none of this effects the ole ole brigade, its ignored...

I never though I would say this but I am in 100% agreement with ONYD on this one.

In years to come Delaney will be seen as one of the best leaders of the FAI.

Roaster

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I never though I would say this but I am in 100% agreement with ONYD on this one.

In years to come Delaney will be seen as one of the best leaders of the FAI.

Is that you John?

OhNoYouDidn't

bohsman wrote: »

Nope, got them a 60 (?) year lease, RFU own the whole stadium.

Wrong. The FAI and IRFU own half the stadium company. That stadium company have a 45 year lease on the site, which is rented from the IRFU.

The FAI own half the building, but not the land. A similar arrangement to owning an appartment.

OhNoYouDidn't

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

To think this guy was being paid in excess of €400,000 per annum for years.

About time he took a cut, although it hasn't benn revealed how much exactly he will be cut.

Seriously though, ~€400,000 for this joke of a guy who clearly hasn't got a clue what he's doing. What's even more sickening is that he got his contract extended in July 2010, till 2015.

The FAI board of directors and people who make these decisions need to be removed aswell, if they are making these sort of sick decisions then what damage are they doing to the game in Ireland?

Thats an ignorant contribution.

While JD's statement about the US is cringeworthy, in the large scheme of things he is an extermely capable and popular sports administrator who has been offered numerous jobs elsewhere. The FAI are by all benchmarks the biggest sports body on the island, so their CEO earns a bit more.

But as I said earlier, the great work the FAI are doing (the Gah are copying their grassroots model ffs) doesn't directly impact on a huge number of 'fans', who rock up to LR twice a year expecting to be entertained in a world class stadium, so they spout on this nonsense.

gustavo

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Thats an ignorant contribution.

While JD's statement about the US is cringeworthy, in the large scheme of things he is an extermely capable and popular sports administrator

Since when has Delaney been popular?

OhNoYouDidn't

gustavo wrote: »

Since when has Delaney been popular?

Immensely popular with the grass roots.

Very popular in UEFA circles

Very popular in Government circles.

joe123

Listening to that it just sounds to me that he was misinterpreted with what he said. Im sure he knows of the MLS especially with the media hype with the whole Beckham deal.

He probably meant it would help push on their league if they got it.

Orizio

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Thats an ignorant contribution.

While JD's statement about the US is cringeworthy, in the large scheme of things he is an extermely capable and popular sports administrator who has been offered numerous jobs elsewhere. The FAI are by all benchmarks the biggest sports body on the island, so their CEO earns a bit more.

But as I said earlier, the great work the FAI are doing (the Gah are copying their grassroots model ffs) doesn't directly impact on a huge number of 'fans', who rock up to LR twice a year expecting to be entertained in a world class stadium, so they spout on this nonsense.

...where?

OhNoYouDidn't

Orizio wrote: »

...where?

Centrally. They dispatched a working group to Abbotstown about a year ago.

The new 'centre of excellence' approach they are taking is a result

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Centrally. They dispatched a working group to Abbotstown about a year ago.

The new 'centre of excellence' approach they are taking is a result

Obviously the plethora of clubs which have become extinct, or are vitually extinct have excaped your notice !

OhNoYouDidn't

Het-Field wrote: »

Obviously the plethora of clubs which have become extinct, or are vitually extinct have excaped your notice !

Compared to where, or what other Irish sport? Most leagues have a number of clubs, many huge ones, clinging on for dear life. The IRFU are talking about folding one of their 4 professional sides and two GAA county boards had to be bailed out - in a different sport they were gone.

The FAI have a set of rules in place. If clubs don't abide by those rules, they are punished, like Cork, Derry, Shels and Rovers were. What more can the FAI do?

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Compared to where, or what other Irish sport? Most leagues have a number of clubs, many huge ones, clinging on for dear life. The IRFU are talking about folding one of their 4 professional sides and two GAA county boards had to be bailed out - in a different sport they were gone.

The FAI have a set of rules in place. If clubs don't abide by those rules, they are punished, like Cork, Derry, Shels and Rovers were. What more can the FAI do?

The IRFU have made it clear the Connaught will be reformed. There is no scrappage on the cards.

The Clubs were given no guidance or direction by the powers that be. As a result the quality of the league has deteriorated beyond belief. Proper league auditing would have been very helpful for clubs, many of which dont have individual departments to run their financial affairs.

Furthermore, you state that many clubs are "hanging on for dear life". The likes of Real Madrid and Manchester United have sustainable financial models by virtue of their continuing success. The National Leguse sought to transplant that model, and it has failed.

x in the city

any Head of Footie for a country should be able to name at least 5 3 teams from every top flight league in the world tbh...

if they cant, fook em out.

and delayney is a thick cnut, like all the politicans in the dail

OhNoYouDidn't

Het-Field wrote: »

The IRFU have made it clear the Connaught will be reformed. There is no scrappage on the cards.

It was on the cards and the club needs reforming. Whats the difference exactly?

Het-Field wrote: »

The Clubs were given no guidance or direction by the powers that be. As a result the quality of the league has deteriorated beyond belief. Proper league auditing would have been very helpful for clubs, many of which dont have individual departments to run their financial affairs.

Are you for real? No guidance? Seriously?

Proper auditing? Above the monthly audit currently in place?

What clubs don't have "individual departments to run their financial affairs"?

Het-Field wrote: »

Furthermore, you state that many clubs are "hanging on for dear life". The likes of Real Madrid and Manchester United have sustainable financial models by virtue of their continuing success. The National Leguse sought to transplant that model, and it has failed.

Hold up. Man U and Real are lots of things, but sustainable isn't the word. One is bailed out by a sugar daddy, the other is a vehicle for debt.

How many clubs, today, in the English League system are subject to winding up orders or are in various stages of administration or debt restructuring?

Its a global thing, and Ireland is no better or worse than elsewhere. But the difference is the FAI have stringent rules in place. Enforcement has been problematic as clubs found loopholes, but UEFA recommend the LOI's corporate governance as best in class.

OhNoYouDidn't

x in the city wrote: »

any Head of Footie for a country should be able to name at least 5 3 teams from every top flight league in the world tbh...

if they cant, fook em out.

and delayney is a thick cnut, like all the politicans in the dail

Why should he?

He should be able to name at least 3 to 5 administrators in every top flight league if anything. Thats his job. He has staff like Trapp and Koovermans to look after the football side.

Orizio

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Centrally. They dispatched a working group to Abbotstown about a year ago.

The new 'centre of excellence' approach they are taking is a result

There has been GAA 'centre of excellences' in places like Tyrone for the best part of a decade though, so its not a matter of someone imitating some one else. In general the three major sporting organisations tend to look very closely at what each other do very closely at an underage level for obvious reasons.

Once again, Delaney, even if he comes across as a bit of a gombeen/simpleton in public, seems to be doing all the right things at an underage level at least.

Orizio

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The IRFU are talking about folding one of their 4 professional sides

I'd imagine that is a shock to the IRFU, Connacht Rugby and all Irish rugby fans...

OhNoYouDidn't

Orizio wrote: »

I'd imagine that is a shock to the IRFU, Connacht Rugby and all Irish rugby fans...

...but presumably not those fans who picketed the IRFU offices over it...

OhNoYouDidn't

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

...but presumably not those fans who picketed the IRFU offices over it...

Connacht are now getting full funding,the point you made about the stadium is moot.At the end of the day the IRFU own the land and the FAI will be left with nothing when the lease ends.

Orizio

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

...but presumably not those fans who picketed the IRFU offices over it...

The IRFU is not disbanding Connacht Rugby. They just reformed their structure to make them more competitive ffs. They are undeniably too often ignored and under-funded by the IRFU, but they will not be disbanded.

You are simply mistaken on this point.

Het-Field

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

It was on the cards and the club needs reforming. Whats the difference exactly?



Are you for real? No guidance? Seriously?

Proper auditing? Above the monthly audit currently in place?

What clubs don't have "individual departments to run their financial affairs"?



Hold up. Man U and Real are lots of things, but sustainable isn't the word. One is bailed out by a sugar daddy, the other is a vehicle for debt.

How many clubs, today, in the English League system are subject to winding up orders or are in various stages of administration or debt restructuring?

Its a global thing, and Ireland is no better or worse than elsewhere. But the difference is the FAI have stringent rules in place. Enforcement has been problematic as clubs found loopholes, but UEFA recommend the LOI's corporate governance as best in class.

"It was on the cards" is very different to the manner in which you put it in your original post. In fact, it was not more then idle paper talk. Reform is likely, and has heppened. but it is reform in a playing sense. Connaught RFC will not be scrapped, nor will they merge. They will become an out-and-out club for Under 21s if anything.

Of course there was no guidance. If there was, what happened to Shelbourne, Derry City, Cork City, Kilkenny City, Kildare, Cobh Ramblers, Bohemians etc would have been mitigated, if not prevented. Measures which may be currently taken were clearly not properly enforced in the noughties.

Manchester United and Real Madrid enjoy bumper crowds on the forthnightly, they enjoy Champions League windfalls (up to and including competition winning fees), domestic przie money, huge TV revenue, and all the ancilliary benefits that come with being highly recognisable entities.. This fails to mention that the likes of Man Utd made a whopping £63 Million on Christiano Ronaldo, while Real often buffer their large expenditure through the sale of lucrative assets. "Bailed out by a Sugar Daddy". That is a complete cop-out.

And where do UEFA hold the FAI's model up as "best in class". I suggest you provide me with evidence of this, or I will dismiss it as more of your baseless ranting.

CiaranC

Het-Field wrote: »

Of course there was no guidance. If there was, what happened to Shelbourne, Derry City, Cork City, Kilkenny City, Kildare, Cobh Ramblers, Bohemians etc would have been mitigated, if not prevented. Measures which may be currently taken were clearly not properly enforced in the noughties.

You know the FAI werent running the league for most of this, right?

And holding up Manchester and Madrid as examples on how to run a football club is laughable.

Het-Field

CiaranC wrote: »

You know the FAI werent running the league for most of this, right?

And holding up Manchester and Madrid as examples on how to run a football club is laughable.

The F.A.I took jursidiction of the League in 2006. Many of the Clubs I mentioned went under, or vitually under in the years after the FAI took jurisdiction. I will admit that this was after Ollie Byrne (R.I.P) ad his cohorts at Tolka Park almost destroyed Shels.

civis_liberalis

Orizio wrote: »

Delaney seems to have done a cracking job at underage/grassroots level though.

Without having a huge amount of knowledge of all the underage and grassroots structures in Ireland, but from what I do know in my own county and the surrounding counties, they let the local association do what they like and in my own county, let then run a complete jokeshop of an association.

Underage leagues badly neglected, although most individual clubs do an excellent job. The womens league left to organise themselves, despite being fully paid up members at the same cost as mens clubs, only to be threatened and pressured through third parties with all sorts when they go off and try to run it themselves.

FAI cutbacks are seeing the removal of many regional FAI coaches/officers. Don't know exact details, but I know of 2 well-respected people who have been let go.

folan

Surely some people arent saying JD is staying on top becasue of a corrupt FAI of his own makeing?

No one can explain why he so often comes across as so dim, cause hes quite definatly not that thick.

Fr Tod Umptious

x in the city wrote: »

any Head of Footie for a country should be able to name at least 5 3 teams from every top flight league in the world tbh...

if they cant, fook em out.

and delayney is a thick cnut, like all the politicans in the dail

You hit the nail on the head there mate

You see that is the thing, Delaney is an easy target, just like FF and the bankers etc.

It's easy to come on here and spout on about how he is a eejit and over payed etc.

But look what he has delivered.

1. A brand new stadium

2. A manager of international renown.

I know nothing about grass-roots soccer in Ireland but from what other have said he is going a great job.

As for the problems of clubs going bust and nothing been done about it, the same people complaining would be complaining if the FAI interveened and bailed them out.

civis_liberalis

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

You see that is the thing, Delaney is an easy target, just like FF and the bankers etc.

They are easy target for good reason.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

It's easy to come on here and spout on about how he is a eejit and over payed etc.

See above.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But look what he has delivered.

1. A brand new stadium

Which we can't afford and is beginning to cripple the association financially, causing cutbacks in what should be the core activities of any football association.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

2. A manager of international renown.

Who wouldn't have looked twice at us if it wasn't for the financial backing of Denis O'Brien.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I know nothing about grass-roots soccer in Ireland but from what other have said he is going a great job.

Either your sources or mine are grossly misinformed.

Fr Tod Umptious

civis_liberalis wrote: »

They are easy target for good reason.

I agree but then again people love to spout off without offering any alternatives.
Hence an easy target

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Which we can't afford and is beginning to cripple the association financially, causing cutbacks in what should be the core activities of any football association.

Wow, no too long ago people were complaining the the new LR was going to be to small at 50k, now it's unaffordable.

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Who wouldn't have looked twice at us if it wasn't for the financial backing of Denis O'Brien.

Now Delaney is at fault for getting outside investment in order to hire a good manager, interesting that.

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Either your sources or mine are grossly misinformed.

As I said I don't know anything about it but other posters here who do say he is doing a good job

civis_liberalis

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I agree but then again people love to spout off without offering any alternatives.
Hence an easy target

Just because people are spouting off, it doesn't automatically disqualify the opinions of anyone else who may have considered the situation for slightly longer and have tried to form opinions based on a reasonable amount of evidence.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Wow, no too long ago people were complaining the the new LR was going to be to small at 50k, now it's unaffordable.

And they are idiots.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Now Delaney is at fault for getting outside investment in order to hire a good manager, interesting that.

I didn't blame him for anything, I just felt you were giving him credit for something he didn't fully deserve. When Delaney does things I believes he deserves credit for, I do not begrudge him it. In fact, I am one of the first people that will trumpet it, because we get so much bad press the rest of the time.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As I said I don't know anything about it but other posters here who do say he is doing a good job

While I'm aware that I'm weakening my own argument, but I am firmly of the belief that you have to take anything a faceless forum poster says with a large inch of salt.

steo87

Stupid overpaid prickfaced prick.

Drummerboy2

When Delaney sacked Kerr, who he had a grudge against, he told us he would deliver a world class manager and he gave us Stan. Enough said.

wexfordia

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

When Delaney sacked Kerr, who he had a grudge against, he told us he would deliver a world class manager and he gave us Stan. Enough said.

So that admittedly poor decision is enough to damn him in your eyes ?

Boskowski

If anyone says grassroots again I'll freak

x in the city

wexfordia wrote: »

So that admittedly poor decision is enough to damn him in your eyes ?

anyone who suggests he is of the intelligence to be head chief of the fai should have a merger with him as head of monaghan chickens....

(if they still do them)


edit, sod it, i think its mushrooms they do but what the heck, long day

FatherTed

joe123 wrote: »

Listening to that it just sounds to me that he was misinterpretedwith what he said. Im sure he knows of the MLS especially with the media hype with the whole Beckham deal.

He probably meant it would help push on their league if they got it.

Which part of "The one thing they're lacking is a professional league" is misinterpreted?

He goes on to say "Had America got it for 2022 I think it would have given them something to base the development of the professional game between now and then".

This is 2010, not 1990 John. MLS is doing fine with or without the World Cup.

markesmith

Boskowski wrote: »

If anyone says grassroots again I'll freak

Grassroots.

Go on son. Get Ur Freak On!