So who will you be voting for?

Mervyn Crawford

10green

All you are expressing is narrow parochialism.

Sinnn Fein is a nationalist movement. That means it is comprised of persons from all classes who believe the over-riding issue in Ireland is the national question.

SF's 'left' pose is for appearances when it suits. Repeatedly reinforced by a slavish media who know exactly what stories to spin. Who know exactly what role SF are to play in the campaign by the ruling class to keep the working class away from revoloutionary socialism (www.wsws.org)

After the failed breakthrough at the last Dail elections did your leader, Mr Adams himself, not state that SF need to be more sympathetic to Business?

Adams' leftism, when it is not an out-and-out manufactured sham, amounts to a patronising pat on the head to 'poor people'.

SF's real constituency are not the working people of Ireland; but the small businessmen of Ireland who want a bigger 'slice of the action'.

phantom_lord

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Gerry will be getting my vote. The mind boggles that people will still vote FF.

My mind boggles at the fact that so many people in Louth are going to vote Sinn Féin tbh.

TommyT

Like many in politics, I am going to do a u-turn and throw my lot in behind the boul`Gerry. He`d make a great minister for finance and would have our financial worries sorted within a week. We seem to forget that he managed to get £26 million from the Northern Bank on very favorable terms. If elected Gerry will break the banks and not the country.

Atomic Pineapple

phantom_lord wrote: »

My mind boggles at the fact that so many people in Louth are going to vote Sinn Féin tbh.

Why?

viztopia

why would some one want to vote for Sinn Fein? It is not that long ago that an unarmed member of the Irish Free State Gardai (as well as been a married father) was executed in Tallanstown, Co. Louth while - wait for it - chasing 4 armed robbers after, again wait for it - the gang had robbed the dole office in ardee, co. louth. I mean come on, first of all they rob the money intended for unemployed people (who Sinn Fein claim to represent) and then they murder an unarmed garda?

Atomic Pineapple

viztopia wrote: »

why would some one want to vote for Sinn Fein? It is not that long ago that an unarmed member of the Irish Free State Gardai (as well as been a married father) was executed in Tallanstown, Co. Louth while - wait for it - chasing 4 armed robbers after, again wait for it - the gang had robbed the dole office in ardee, co. louth. I mean come on, first of all they rob the money intended for unemployed people (who Sinn Fein claim to represent) and then they murder an unarmed garda?

When did that happen? I've been in around Ardee for about 15 years and never heard of that.

And Sinn Fein were found guilty of carrying out the robbery and then capturing and executing a garda!?

viztopia

very sorry to hear you have been around ardee for 15 years. Noel Callan is the name of the murderer and he was convicted in 1985 of the murder of Sergeant Patrick Morrissey.

not1but4

What I cant seem to understand is if these sort of allegations (that SF get) were put to any other party it would destroy them but for some reason it nearly makes SF stronger.

Although these allegations may not able to be proven it seems that among its supporters that unless their party comes out and confesses they will never believe it. But the fact they are continuously linked to such terrorism would make me question supporting such a party.

On a side note one of the guys I grew up with and we got talking about Gerry going for the Dail in Louth and he was telling me that he was going to vote for him which was fair enough but when I questioned him about why he was voting for SF his answer left me speechless. The reason he was voting for SF was because its a part of the IRA, like seriously why would someone vote for terrorism?

Mr_Hat

Is Biggins still planning to run in the Dail elections. He made a lot of noise about it on the Childrens hospital thread. I hope he is

Wolfe Tone

not1but4 wrote: »

What I cant seem to understand is if these sort of allegations (that SF get) were put to any other party it would destroy them but for some reason it nearly makes SF stronger.

Although these allegations may not able to be proven it seems that among its supporters that unless their party comes out and confesses they will never believe it. But the fact they are continuously linked to such terrorism would make me question supporting such a party.

On a side note one of the guys I grew up with and we got talking about Gerry going for the Dail in Louth and he was telling me that he was going to vote for him which was fair enough but when I questioned him about why he was voting for SF his answer left me speechless. The reason he was voting for SF was because its a part of the IRA, like seriously why would someone vote for terrorism?

One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.


You could ask why did people vote for Collins and co using your logic.

TommyT

viztopia wrote: »

why would some one want to vote for Sinn Fein? It is not that long ago that an unarmed member of the Irish Free State Gardai (as well as been a married father) was executed in Tallanstown, Co. Louth while - wait for it - chasing 4 armed robbers after, again wait for it - the gang had robbed the dole office in ardee, co. louth. I mean come on, first of all they rob the money intended for unemployed people (who Sinn Fein claim to represent) and then they murder an unarmed garda?

Wasnt that the INLA?

theg81der

I really hope this poll is not indicative of results, I would hate to see Sinn Fèin get in. How can people vote for Lisbon and then for Sinn Fèin, I don`t get it.

Big mistake people on both accounts, sure just sway with the common breeze why not?!

phantom_lord

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.


You could ask why did people vote for Collins and co using your logic.

Very different. I think anyone supporting terrorism with regard to the North at this stage is very backward.

Onesimus

I'm going to go with Richard Pryor on this one and vote ''None of the above'' :pac:

Our vote is important and we always vote for someone. It is usually for people who say they will do one thing and do just the opposite when they finally get to sit on their little throne of falsehood.

Voting for politicians is like doing the lottery and the chances of voting for someone worthwhile are always slim.

I'm going to go - - with this election though, seeing as I must vote.

10green bottles

Mervyn i will wait until your party posts its manifesto before i comment any further on your posts.

This thread is rapidly turning into a Shinners V the rest debate and its getting pretty boring TBH.

As was said by a poster earlier,post who your voting for and the reasons that your voting for them??

Wolfe Tone

phantom_lord wrote: »

Very different. I think anyone supporting terrorism with regard to the North at this stage is very backward.

Thats the thing, is it very different?

Not really.
Just make sure you don't say they are delusional!

These days yes, I would agree that it is foolish to support any form of armed campaign in the north.

amacachi

I'll be voting O'Dowd no. 1 and probably second and third preferences to the other FGers. I hope FG only run 2 candidates though, Gerry is guaranteed to get in along with whoever FF decide to put up. I'd imagine O'Dowd will get in and the last seat is up for grabs for either FG, Lab or an Independent, hopefully FG.

10green bottles

TommyT wrote: »

Wasnt that the INLA?

T'was indeed,Dessie O'Hare et-al.
But sure its close enough for some people here!!:rolleyes:

phantom_lord

draffodx wrote: »

Why?

Where do you start? Their economic polices are off the wall, the possibility of a Lab/SF coalition is scary. They'd tax all the successful people out of the country.

They're a bunch of backward lefties. What's actually making people here support them?

Hopefully Adams running is exactly what some have analysed it to be, a desperate last attempt and an admission that they have few acceptable candidates after the compete failure Of Mary Lou.

Mervyn Crawford

SF are imposing cuts in the North.

Is there anything else to say about SF than that? If you believe that the only soloution to the world economic crisis is a world palnned economy, socialism.

You have to ask yourself what are Sinn Fein.

True champions of the oppressed as they claim?

But how does that fit in with what they do and propose?

Fianna Fail claim to be for the 'little man'. Labour claim to be for the working class, as do the unions. The Greens claim to be for progress.
None of these claims are in the remotest way true.

SF are imposing cuts in the north.

Wolfe Tone

Mervyn Crawford wrote: »

SF are imposing cuts in the North.

Is there anything else to say about SF than that? If you believe that the only soloution to the world economic crisis is a world palnned economy, socialism.

You have to ask yourself what are Sinn Fein.

True champions of the oppressed as they claim?

But how does that fit in with what they do and propose?

Fianna Fail claim to be for the 'little man'. Labour claim to be for the working class, as do the unions. The Greens claim to be for progress.
None of these claims are in the remotest way true.

SF are imposing cuts in the north.

Oh wow, so SF now have full economic control in the 6? I guess I missed the bit when the Brits left.

Definitely FG. Wouldn't consider voting for Labour or SF and there's no chance that I'd vote for FF.
I'm not inclined to vote for independents in a national general election.

Onesimus

The very fact that this thread has seen Sinn fein take the lead, Labour second and FG third in line, really does show how dumb we are when it comes to voting.

God help us all, enough said!!!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I don't know how anybody can say who they will vote for without knowing who the candidates are. Voting purely on party lines is foolish. It depends on the caliber of the canditates. That said, as Gerry A has declared himself, I can at least confirm that he is one candiate I will certainly NOT be voting for. As for the rest of them, I'll await confirmation of who's standing before deciding.

Onesimus

Rowen Proud Uterus wrote: »

I don't know how anybody can say who they will vote for without knowing who the candidates are. Voting purely on party lines is foolish. It depends on the caliber of the canditates. That said, as Gerry A has declared himself, I can at least confirm that he is one candiate I will certainly NOT be voting for. As for the rest of them, I'll await confirmation of who's standing before deciding.

Most people vote for Sinn fein because of the sheer emotional drivel that they advance and their michael collins type speeches. None of us ever seem to - as you say - vote upon the caliber of the candidates.

The country needs good accountants not emotional driven empty words which seduce the people into a false sense of security. Nor do we need ex-teachers.

Nothing worse than listening to people down the pub whinge about the faults of FF and yet they voted for them. And yet again the public go ahead and make the same mistake by voting for the wrong people again.

I'll be going Green party this time round. We need people who know how to use money not ex-teachers on geography who know how to plan their next holiday round the globe without a thought for the expenses they accumulate or the damage done while doing so.

In saying all of that, none of the public seem to study politics or what is going on and we end up time and time again voting for the wrong crowd. I'd be first to stand up and admit I do not study it as much as I should have. But in recent years I've taken the time out to try, and realised my own mistakes in voting for the wrong candidates.

Mervyn Crawford

Mussolini

Your attempt to reieive SF of their responsibility in implementing cuts is laughable.

Your argument is at the level of the primary school palyground.
(A big boy did it and ran away!)

Taking your logic then neither the Tories or Labour at Westminster have any culpability in the crimes committed by "the Brits" in Ireland.

It's "the Brits" who are responsible for it all.

So let me see, Tony Blair - who Mr Adams says is a 'nice man' - the war criminal who was shoulder to shoulder with George Bush in the slaughter in Iraq and Afghanistan is not guilty of anything. (That's what Blair himself claims of course). Because he is ONLY a political puppet with no real power. The real power lying with the ruling class he serves.

This is the logic you are applying to the tribunes of the people McGuiness, Kelly and co. They have no power. It's not their responsibility.

But they do have political options.

They could call on the working classes of Ireland to unite and overthrow the capitalist economic system and it's governments. They could call on workers in Britain and Europe to join with Irish workers in a common struggle for a future free from want and free from war.

But SF don't do that. They take part in the very state apparatus of oppression and exploitation. They accept and promote the inherently sectarian formula at Stormont.They add to the lie that we live in a democracy - south or north. They promote the mortally dangerous illusion that this economic system can be repaired. They give creedence to the claim that unions make to be for the working classes. They say national independence (FOR WHO?) is the panacea to all our woes.

The reason SF are what they are is because they have contempt for the people of Ireland. They no more want a revoloution in Ireland than do "the Brits".

Atomic Pineapple

Onesimus wrote: »

But in recent years I've taken the time out to try, and realised my own mistakes in voting for the wrong candidates.

Then why are you saying your going to vote for a bunch of hippies in suits?

As bad as Sinn Fein would be if the Greens get any sort of power from the next election I will actually leave the country.

Onesimus

draffodx wrote: »

Then why are you saying your going to vote for a bunch of hippies in suits?

As bad as Sinn Fein would be if the Greens get any sort of power from the next election I will actually leave the country.

Criticism is not an argument as to why the Greens would not be able to run this country Financially. Stone throwing such as calling them ''hippies in suits'' does not exactly demonstrate a good reason not to vote for them.

Yet again could we conclude that Draffodox is just another example of someone who does not study politics? Or on the other hand... will he be evidence of yet another intellectually wise dkit being who breaks his back to google a good answer and fool us all into the idea that he does? because he has not a clue what to say in reply?:P

*munching on an organic carrot*:pac:

Mr Magnolia

You don't have to have studied politics to post on this forum or any other on boards.

Can everyone leave out the 'wise cracks' it does nothing to advance the discussion.

Onesimus

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

You don't have to have studied politics to post on this forum or any other on boards.

Can everyone leave out the 'wise cracks' it does nothing to advance the discussion.

Yeah but at least a general knowledge is a given if one is to make certain statements about it. This is afterall a topic discussing politics is it not?