So who will you be voting for?

phantom_lord

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

he's still recognised as a man who is capable of great change

Change towards what though?

geespot

phantom_lord wrote: »

Change towards what though?

you dont change you keep voting for fine gael why do you care who anybody else is voting for your going to stick with fergus o dowd and graham geraghty sorry peter fitzpatrick

phantom_lord

geespot wrote: »

you dont change you keep voting for fine gael why do you care who anybody else is voting for your going to stick with fergus o dowd and graham geraghty sorry peter fitzpatrick

Never said I was voting for Fine Gael. I don't understand why you have such a problem with them though? Is it because they've never been shot at?

I also don't understand why you think a change towards taxing people out of the country is a positive thing?

Mr Magnolia

phantom_lord wrote: »

Change towards what though?

Towards a peaceful process away from the 'armed struggle'.

phantom_lord

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

Towards a peaceful process away from the 'armed struggle'.

But that's been done?

geespot

phantom_lord wrote: »

Never said I was voting for Fine Gael. I don't understand why you have such a problem with them though? Is it because they've never been shot at?

I also don't understand why you think a change towards taxing people out of the country is a positive thing?

i dont claim to be the most astute person ever but it dosent take einstein to know where your loyalties lie. please stop saying he was shot at he was shot there is a difference the people who will be taxed out of the country who are they and where would they go that would treat them as favourably as here and if your saying that its a good idea to tax the poor because if you try to tax the rich they will leave what does that say about the state of the country after years of fianna fail fine gael and lab goverments

geespot

fine gael havent been the same since brendan mcgahon died

phantom_lord

geespot wrote: »

i dont claim to be the most astute person ever but it dosent take einstein to know where your loyalties lie. please stop saying he was shot at he was shot there is a difference t

Why, where do you think my loyalties lie?

geespot wrote: »

please stop saying he was shot at he was shot

I just mention it because you said it was one of the reasons you plan on voting for him.

geespot wrote: »

there is a difference the people who will be taxed out of the country who are they and where would they go that would treat them as favourably as here and if your saying that its a good idea to tax the poor because if you try to tax the rich they will leave what does that say about the state of the country after years of fianna fail fine gael and lab goverments

Not really sure I get your point here. But it's pretty clear SF tax policies are madness and will be extremely destructive.

geespot

maybe clear to you pity you wernt as well able to tell the future when yous where building up the bull**** celtic tiger that lead to the destruction of the whole country

i never said i was voting for him because he was shot i am voting for him because he had the courage to take the decisions that would inevitable lead to his life being on the line

Mr Magnolia

phantom_lord wrote: »

But that's been done?

It has been done and he's been credited for his contribution. Surely you can't discount the part he played in the peace process?

phantom_lord

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

It has been done and he's been credited for his contribution. Surely you can't discount the part he played in the peace process?

No, but I can't see why that's a reason for voting for him now in Louth?

geespot wrote: »

maybe clear to you pity you wernt as well able to tell the future when yous where building up the bull**** celtic tiger that lead to the destruction of the whole country

Huh? How come you're still blaming FG/Lab for the current crisis btw? Actually, how come earlier you blamed every party other than SF?

geespot wrote: »

i never said i was voting for him because he was shot i am voting for him because he had the courage to take the decisions that would inevitable lead to his life being on the line

Do you think that makes him a better legislator?

geespot

for the last time the reason i blame everybody except sinn fein is on the grounds of there promises at the last election the only ones with a radically diferent plan was sinn fein if the people at the top had been taxed and left as you say they wouldnt have been in the position to sell this country down the swany. and its strange that at the time the last election the main parties couldnt see the end coming while everybody on the street could hence they voted for f.f (whom they believed created the celtic tiger) as they where afraid f.g would fcuk it up. hope this helps good night

phantom_lord

geespot wrote: »

for the last time the reason i blame everybody except sinn fein is on the grounds of there promises at the last election the only ones with a radically diferent plan was sinn fein if the people at the top had been taxed and left as you say they wouldnt have been in the position to sell this country down the swany. and its strange that at the time the last election the main parties couldnt see the end coming while everybody on the street could hence they voted for f.f (whom they believed created the celtic tiger) as they where afraid f.g would fcuk it up. hope this helps good night

I can't imagine taxing all the productive people out of the country and leaving behind the people who are outside the tax net to be a very good idea.

Like 10 green bottles it just seems you're voting sf for a bunch of spurious reasons tbh.

Mr Magnolia

phantom_lord wrote: »

No, but I can't see why that's a reason for voting for him now in Louth?

Then perhaps you missed most of my first post on this thread.

phantom_lord

Which post are you referring to?

Onesimus

phantom_lord wrote: »

Have any of the people that plan on voting for Sinn Fein explained what reasons have persuaded them to do so?

It is highly possible that the Sinn Feiners got their elite of soldiers onto the forum to vote ''sinn fein'' and registered 29 times to do so. :pac:

I wouldnt put it pass them.

Wolfe Tone

Ok, this is why I am voting for SF:


They have constantly called up the govt on its wrongs over the past while
They took the constitutional challenge
They want the IMF out
They have committed to reversing the savage budget cuts
They have proposed a much farer tax system
They have the hardest working CCs
They have a "national agenda"
They are the only all Ireland party
I would love to see them in power north and south, cross border co operation will be a necessity

Specifically about Gerry,

I like the man,
As a Belfast man I am hoping he will focus more on national issues than the potholes in my street
He is unarguably one of the best and smartest politicians of the last 50 years
I can't wait to see him in a verbal debate in the Dáil
He is willing to put his money where his mouth is, brave decision to ditch two jobs like that, and leave a constituency with a rock solid support base for the uncertainty of southern politics, especially at his age.


There are other reasons as well but they are some off of the top of my head. Tack my republican ideals onto that and there you go(although I have serious problems with some of the things they have done in the north) and add onto that the fact that the rest of the candidates seem like idiots. I was planning on giving Ged Nash a vote before I Gerry was announced, but as someone who spent weeks of his summer off in England canvasing for Labor candidates there my opinion of him has been lowered, as well as the cheap shots he has recently taken on his facebook page, Im tired of the same old dirty tactics.

Mr Magnolia

In an effort to reduce the noise to signal ratio in this thread I will be removing the access of those that continue to post rubbish.

phantom_lord

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

They have constantly called up the govt on its wrongs over the past while

Are they the only ones that have done that?

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

They want the IMF out
They have committed to reversing the savage budget cuts
They have proposed a much farer tax system

Do they live in some sort of fairly land? I notice they advocate heavy borrowing, where do they propose obtaining the funding that we're going to get off the IMF? And how do they plan on reducing the budget deficit without cuts? Their horrific proposed system is far from fair, it is only going to stifle any productivity in the country and reduce tax intake. Someone should tell them about the Laffer curve.

Might as well shut off the lights if they get into power.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

They have a "national agenda"

National Socialism?

Wolfe Tone

phantom_lord wrote: »

Are they the only ones that have done that?

Pretty much yeah, where was everyone else with regard to the by election? Everyone else has moaned about the budget, SF are the only ones who say they will reverse the cuts.

Do they live in some sort of fairly land? I notice they advocate heavy borrowing, where do they propose obtaining the funding that we're going to get off the IMF? And how do they plan on reducing the budget deficit without cuts? Their horrific proposed system is far from fair, it is only going to stifle any productivity in the country and reduce tax intake. Someone should tell them about the Laffer curve.

We have europe over a barrel. If we go down they do too, we could refuse to accept their offer and demand a lower interest rate. I think their tax system is very fair, and I say that as someone who will hopefully be a big earner in the future. SF are very god negotiators, well able to play hardball.

Might as well shut off the lights if they get into power.

I would not be so optimistic to think that they will get into power, certainly not as a majority partner. Not this time around.

National Socialism?

As in they care equally what happens both north and south on this island.

phantom_lord

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Pretty much yeah, where was everyone else with regard to the by election?

By election was very minor issue, and was a populist move more than anything.

Also are you only talking with regards to the by-election now? Earlier you said:

They have constantly called up the govt on its wrongs over the past while

Which is not true.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

SF are the only ones who say they will reverse the cuts.

Very easy to say that when you wont be in the actual position of managing the finances. Populist nonsense, the government deficit is huge, cuts are required and SF were content to implement them in the North.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

. I think their tax system is very fair

That doesn't make it so.


Their policies will be utterly destrutive. We've seen previously the effects of such backward economic policies previously. A Lab/SF government would be a huge step back for the country. The whole idea of taxing productive parts of society even more to maintain unemployment benefit rates in a time of deflation just shows how utterly clueless they are. Nevermind the policies they have that will cause capital to leave in droves.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

We have europe over a barrel. If we go down they do too, we could refuse to accept their offer and demand a lower interest rate.

Hmmm, I thought we were talking about the IMF?

Anyway, that's a pretty simplistic and naive view of things. Much like SF economic policies. Is that what SF polices are relying on? Demanding lower interest rates? The fact that the borrowings they advocate are totally unsustainable regardless if a lower rate is obtained doesn't matter?

geespot

seriously give it a rest phantom you maybe trying to convince yourself (shouldnt be too hard) but you sure arent convincing anybody else if you keep it up mr magnolia is going to ban you an not before time your like a god damn broken record

Wolfe Tone

phantom_lord wrote: »

By election was very minor issue, and was a populist move more than anything.

Very minor issue? I think not.

Also are you only talking with regards to the by-election now? Earlier you said:

I cited that as an exmple. All the other parties seem to go "jayzus thats bad, but sure we will go with it when we get in" SF are not lke that, they have pointed out the hypocrisy in decrying things like the budget, yet not commiting to change it if they get into power. Another example is how the govt flip flopped in the face of anther constitutional challenge and agreed to have the IMF deal put to the Dáil, despite maintaining only 24 hours earlier that it was not necessary.

Which is not true.

They have certainly done much more than the other parties imo.

Very easy to say that when you wont be in the actual position of managing the finances.

You never know. You don't think they mean what they say?

Populist nonsense, the government deficit is huge, cuts are required and SF were content to implement them in the North.

I honestly do not think you could be so silly as to equate the govt system north ad south. They have no control over tax at all, and they are in a power sharing system. If they walk away the peace process is in crisis again. Stormont is mickey mouse govt tbh. The Brits are still in charge up there.

That doesn't make it so.

You saying it isn't doesn't make it unfair either, wow we are getting places.

Their policies will be utterly destrutive. We've seen previously the effects of such backward economic policies previously. A Lab/SF government would be a huge step back for the country. The whole idea of taxing productive parts of society even more to maintain unemployment benefit rates in a time of deflation just shows how utterly clueless they are. Nevermind the policies they have that will cause capital to leave in droves.

I disagree. Have you read their budget submission?
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Pre-Budget2010_web.pdf

I think, while some of it is flawed, it is mostly very good. Those who earn more, must pay more. They can afford it.

Hmmm, I thought we were talking about the IMF?

You know what I mean.

Anyway, that's a pretty simplistic and naive view of things. Much like SF economic policies. Is that what SF polices are relying on? Demanding lower interest rates? The fact that the borrowings they advocate are totally unsustainable regardless if a lower rate is obtained doesn't matter?

Tell me, what will happen in europe if we go down?

You think we are getting offered bilateral loans out of generosity, eh no we are not. The Brits would be rightly messed if we went down for one.

Mr Magnolia

geespot wrote: »

seriously give it a rest phantom you maybe trying to convince yourself (shouldnt be too hard) but you sure arent convincing anybody else if you keep it up mr magnolia is going to ban you an not before time your like a god damn broken record

Back seat modding may also earn a ban.

geespot

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

Back seat modding may also earn a ban.

some people have no sense of humour

Onesimus

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

Back seat modding may also earn a ban.

It is Christmas. Can boards.ie not just relax on the charter and let us go mad once in a whille on the mods? :pac::pac::pac: ( Just kidding of course lol )

phantom_lord

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I cited that as an exmple. All the other parties seem to go "jayzus thats bad, but sure we will go with it when we get in" SF are not lke that, they have pointed out the hypocrisy in decrying things like the budget, yet not commiting to change it if they get into power.

That's because they're living in the real world and accept that a €25bn deficit is not sustainable. SF say they want the IMF out, yet they plan on increasing borrowings which make them even more reliant on the IMF. Whatever possibility there is of renegotiating the already agreed deal with the EU, the IMF is still going to remain as the cheapest supplier of funds.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Those who earn more, must pay more. They can afford it.

They already do. The 0.5% of earners paid almost 18% of all income tax in 2008. You really think it's fair to increase the burden, on top of the USC and probable pay reductions, in order to increase welfare during a period of deflation? We should encourage the people that contribute to the economy, not strangle them.

People earning 100k in the private sector and of utmost importance to the economy, taxing them out of the country, while very appealing to left wingers, is economic suicide. We've seen the effects in this country from high taxation before.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I disagree. Have you read their budget submission?
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/Pre-Budget2010_web.pdf

Yes, it's just an attempt to shore up their support on the left. It's not a realistic or viable plan. Why else would they advocate increasing capital gains tax to 40% and claim it will increase the amount raised when it's already been proved that at 20% the yield is highest. Never-mind the fact how utterly clueless it is to discourage investing particularly at a time like this. And at a time when banks are desperate for capital how does it make sense to increase dirt tax? Or introduce a capital tax? Did they not research how damaging operating a tax like that has been in other countries?

The whole document revolves around damaging productivity and discouraging investment. Have you seen any prominent economic voice promote that document as the way forward for Ireland?


SF are just simply backward and ill-suited to coming anywhere near governing this state. A bankrupt inefficient Ireland is hardly going to be very conducive towards achieving their goal of a united ireland.

geespot

thanks phantom i for one have seen the light i will definetly be giving oeter fitzpatrick my number one and again i would like to reiterate my thanks. jesus i cant imagine what would have happened if i had supported sinn fein if you need help when canvassing at election time give us a call and i will help you spread the light

not1but4

See the Demo says the following are interested in going for FG Fitzpatrick, D'Arcy, Markey and now O'Boyle.

FF have Reilly, Bellew, Carroll and Breathnach all interested in the party ticket.