Price of the Pint - What would make you go back to the pub ?

orourkeda

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Last week during one of those slightly chilly evenings in one of the out of the way pubs near here, the landlord (with the consensus of all there) let anyone smoke inside next to the fireplace. By the end of the evening there was an atmosphere (not smoke related) in the place like a New York speakeasy in the prohibition days, mighty craic was had that night.

Was it caused by the cigarettes?

You don't need smoking to create an atmosphere.

celticbest

I never left, I use the bar in my GAA club on a regular basis, it's €3.30 a pint during the week & €3.60 at weekends.

PeakOutput

no pints over 3 euro would be a good start as far as i know a keg is still less then 150euro(open to correction) if i was to go and try and get one so im sure they get it in bulk for cheaper.

a keg has around 100 pints in it so a 300% mark up is ridicolous

is the alcohol tax a fixed amount or is it a percentage? if its a fixed amount it changes things a bit but not by much

also free soft drinks for designated drivers would get me back also, i have no problem being in a pub and not drinking if im with my mates but only if i have something else to drink and not a chance im spending 4 euro on a coke or whatever

the 'traditional' business's in this country are a joke i wouldnt be suprised if all the pub /club owners in the cities got together and did some illegal cartelling every year

AnneFrank

jimthemental wrote: »

Blasphemy. Get back in the attic.

wow how original

fred252

€3.50 upto €4 for a decent weissbier

AnneFrank

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Last week during one of those slightly chilly evenings in one of the out of the way pubs near here, the landlord (with the consensus of all there) let anyone smoke inside next to the fireplace. By the end of the evening there was an atmosphere (not smoke related) in the place like a New York speakeasy in the prohibition days, mighty craic was had that night.

Id have reported it had i been there,typical oirish never mind the second hand smoke going around the bar,sure it's only cancer

HavingCrack

McGowans in Stillorgan in Dublin (where Boland's on the Hill used to be) does €2.50 all drinks, pints, vodka/orange etc on a Thursday. Lovely atmosphere, decent bands on sometimes, comedy nights, fifa nights-really trying to get people in.

By the way, I wish people would stop going on about food in pubs, thats what restaurants are for. If I want something to eat I'll go somewhere I'll be served by a waiter with tablecloths and food cooked fresh. I don't want to go to a pub where I can be served frozen food thrown straight in a deep fat frier and have to carry it back to the table myself paying top whack for the privelage.

thebigbiffo

people forget that the vintners associations froze the price of drink for members back in 2008. at first it made sense because you thought they were tackling the recession early then it sunk in that what they were in actual fact doing was standardising the price so individual members wouldn't drop prices thereby forcing widespread drops across the industry.

it was a disgrace imo and something that didn't recieve enough attention.

sealgaire

AnneFrank wrote: »

bit of a pointless thread,the price cannot be reduced to such low levels,personally with all the alcoholism in this country i thoughtthe price should be raised along with cigs,and why would they give a splash when they can make double the margin on splits,

What make you possibly think that prices can't be reduced? Because the publicans tell you that it can't?
Are you that narrow minded. The breweries are well able to drop prices also

AnneFrank

HavingCrack wrote: »

McGowans in Stillorgan in Dublin (where Boland's on the Hill used to be) does €2.50 all drinks, pints, vodka/orange etc on a Thursday. Lovely atmosphere, decent bands on sometimes, comedy nights, fifa nights-really trying to get people in.

By the way, I wish people would stop going on about food in pubs, thats what restaurants are for. If I want something to eat I'll go somewhere I'll be served by a waiter with tablecloths and food cooked fresh. I don't want to go to a pub where I can be served frozen food thrown straight in a deep fat frier and have to carry it back to the table myself paying top whack for the privelage.

i think pub grub is ok(toasted sandwiches and soup) but not restaurants,then again i drink in an old fashioned bar that doesnt show any tv or have kids running around,there is choice out there to be fair

Rabidlamb

thebigbiffo wrote: »

people forget that the vintners associations froze the price of drink for members back in 2008. at first it made sense because you thought they were tackling the recession early then it sunk in that what they were in actual fact doing was standardising the price so individual members wouldn't drop prices thereby forcing widespread drops across the industry.

it was a disgrace imo and something that didn't recieve enough attention.

Hmmmm, a cartel you say.
If only there was legislation in Ireland to prosecute white collar crime then this could be stopped but alas.....

A few publicans seem to go it alone, are they not part of the vintners association.

PeakOutput

thebigbiffo wrote: »

people forget that the vintners associations froze the price of drink for members back in 2008. at first it made sense because you thought they were tackling the recession early then it sunk in that what they were in actual fact doing was standardising the price so individual members wouldn't drop prices thereby forcing widespread drops across the industry.

it was a disgrace imo and something that didn't recieve enough attention.

how is that legal?

isnt it illegal cartelism for a group of independant business's to fix prices?

AnneFrank

sealgaire wrote: »

What make you possibly think that prices can't be reduced? Because the publicans tell you that it can't?
Are you that narrow minded. The breweries are well able to drop prices also

a little thing called profit,it's needed to pay the staff, the rent of the property ect,all of which are so inflated in this country,if the tax was reduced and their rent reduced i'm sure they could but only a small % of pubs with a small staff rota and small property meaning small rent could afford to sell pints that cheap.Are all these pubs closing because they are still making profit ?Narrow minded indeed

PeakOutput

AnneFrank wrote: »

i think pub grub is ok(toasted sandwiches and soup) but not restaurants,then again i drink in an old fashioned bar that doesnt show any tv or have kids running around,there is choice out there to be fair

so you think pub food in general is better then restaurant food in general and you dont see how the publicans can drop prices AND you think that higher alcohol costs = a reduction in alcoholism?

whats your planet called again

Cú Giobach

orourkeda wrote: »

Was it caused by the cigarettes?

You don't need smoking to create an atmosphere.

It was caused by the fact conversation wasn't interrupted by people leaving to go elsewhere to smoke. The conversation had a continuous and "across the bar" quality that is rapidly disappearing from pubs due to tellys, blaring music and interrupted conversations.

AnneFrank wrote: »

Id have reported it had i been there,typical oirish never mind the second hand smoke going around the bar,sure it's only cancer

From your posts I have read on this board, I am going to make the assumption it wouldn't be your kind of pub. And it doesn't surprise me that you would want to destroy the craic and jollity of a one off moment in a small community that isn't even yours. On a freezing cold night. :rolleyes:

jimthemental

AnneFrank wrote: »

wow how original

I know, I'm just extremely bored this morning. Sorry.

AnneFrank

Cú Giobach wrote: »

It was caused by the fact conversation wasn't interrupted by people leaving to go elsewhere to smoke. The conversation had an "across the bar" quality that is rapidly disappearing from pubs due to tellys, blaring music and interrupted conversations.



From your posts I have read on this board, I am going to make the assumption it wouldn't be your kind of pub. And it doesn't surprise me that you would want to destroy the craic and jollity of a one off moment in a small community that isn't even yours. On a freezing cold night. :rolleyes:

a sort of community cancer perhaps ??How nice

AnneFrank

jimthemental wrote: »

I know, I'm just extremely bored this morning. Sorry.

ha ha me too !!!I wish the nazi's would just come and get me !!

PeakOutput

AnneFrank wrote: »

a little thing called profit,it's needed to pay the staff, the rent of the property ect,all of which are so inflated in this country,if the tax was reduced and their rent reduced i'm sure they could but only a small % of pubs with a small staff rota and small property meaning small rent could afford to sell pints that cheap.Are all these pubs closing because they are still making profit ?Narrow minded indeed

the minimum wage is about to be reduced that will reduce wage costs by more then ten percent

rents have and will continue to drop all over the country

reducing price only reduces profit if you assume they are going to sell the same amount drink. the entire point of reducing the price is to get more people back into the pubs thereby selling more alcohol to more people more often. the more people in the bar at one time the more efficient everything runs(one bar man can work hard serving 100 people cheaper drinks and be paid the same money as if he was working not so hard serving 50 people more expensive drinks)

the publicans have decided that the perceived value of their service is more important to keep then their customers

i am mainly talking about pubs and clubs in big cities here by the way i find pubs in rural areas to be quite reasonable

also i have heard quite a few publicans on the radio in the last few years ripping into the vintners association for their practices so that is a step in the right direction it seems

Rabidlamb

AnneFrank wrote: »

bit of a pointless thread,the price cannot be reduced to such low levels,personally with all the alcoholism in this country

OP here, sorry about the thread, should I remove it to save your sensibilities.
Oh wait, my mistake, I assumed you were the chief of the internet police & not just an anonymous poster with some archaic ideals.
Shouldn't you be out promoting your Mothers United Against Fun Association.

Cú Giobach

AnneFrank wrote: »

a sort of community cancer perhaps ??How nice

If you genuinely believe sitting in smoke for 3/4 hours of your life will give you cancer, I have a hell of a lot of pity for you.
God forbid you ever need an x-ray :eek:

PeakOutput

Cú Giobach wrote: »

It was caused by the fact conversation wasn't interrupted by people leaving to go elsewhere to smoke. The conversation had a continuous and "across the bar" quality that is rapidly disappearing from pubs due to tellys, blaring music and interrupted conversations.



From your posts I have read on this board, I am going to make the assumption it wouldn't be your kind of pub. And it doesn't surprise me that you would want to destroy the craic and jollity of a one off moment in a small community that isn't even yours. On a freezing cold night. :rolleyes:

to be fair if craic agus ceoil was so important to the community they could just go without a cigarette for a few hours, i dont agree with anne frank in general but the smoking ban is definitely a positive rather then a negative even if it does mean i have to sit outside in the cold smoking area to talk to my mates

Ghost Estate

Less than 3e per pint. 3 is still too much to pay

Get rid of the loud music, TV screens.

thebigbiffo

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Hmmmm, a cartel you say.
If only there was legislation in Ireland to prosecute white collar crime then this could be stopped but alas.....

A few publicans seem to go it alone, are they not part of the vintners association.

PeakOutput wrote: »

how is that legal?

isnt it illegal cartelism for a group of independant business's to fix prices?

ahhh apologies guys....it does in fact turn out the greedy bastards did do it - as per my post - but were in fact brought to court and finally reversed it 1.5 years later...see here http://www.vfi.ie/News/LVA-and-VFI-announce-end-to-Price-Freeze-with-immediate-effect

still though - the message to publicans is clear: hold your prices.

jimthemental

I used to work in pubs before the ban came in and it was a nightmare. The smell off of your clothes the following day and the bloodshot eyes if there was a good crowd in made it harder than it had to be. I don't mind going out for a smoke now as long as there is some form of shelter for the smoker. A lot of the comments here about lowering prices and such are a bit misguided. When you put on €3 pints there are consequences. Nestors in Limerick suffered from a fairly dodgy crowd (including myself) and there were always rows due to people abusing the offer badly. It happens in Dicey's too from time to time but there is a better atmosphere there and security is good.

There are roughly 85-90 pints per keg and you lose some to froth and spillage. The margin is still fairly poor and that is why many pubs are struggling.

AnonoBoy

r3nu4l wrote: »

Provide enough seating
NOT raise the volume of music as soon as it gets a bit busier and certainly not so loud that I have to shout to talk with my friends.

I go to the pub to socialise, NOT to have a shouting competition.

You need to find a new local. Mine never has music on.

enda1 wrote: »

Turn off the telly.

The best pubs have no tellies.

Cú Giobach wrote: »

If you genuinely believe sitting in smoke for 3/4 hours of your life will give you cancer, I have a hell of a lot of pity for you.
God forbid you ever need an x-ray :eek:

What are you rabbiting on about?

The smoking ban is here to stay. Smokers should quit whinging about it and just accept it.

For such a supposedly cool habit there's an awful lot of cry-babies partaking of it.

viclemronny

AnneFrank wrote: »

a little thing called profit,it's needed to pay the staff, the rent of the property ect,all of which are so inflated in this country,if the tax was reduced and their rent reduced i'm sure they could but only a small % of pubs with a small staff rota and small property meaning small rent could afford to sell pints that cheap.Are all these pubs closing because they are still making profit ?Narrow minded indeed

€2/3 euro drink nights. I've known of places that survived off one of them a week plus usuall fri sat crowd.

They make a fortune.

orourkeda

Cú Giobach wrote: »

It was caused by the fact conversation wasn't interrupted by people leaving to go elsewhere to smoke. The conversation had a continuous and "across the bar" quality that is rapidly disappearing from pubs due to tellys, blaring music and interrupted conversations.



From your posts I have read on this board, I am going to make the assumption it wouldn't be your kind of pub. And it doesn't surprise me that you would want to destroy the craic and jollity of a one off moment in a small community that isn't even yours. On a freezing cold night. :rolleyes:

Wouldnt giving up smoking have the same effect. People wouldn't have to leave. The telly and music affects everyine in the same way but is a separate issue.

Don't make assumptions. It's rather dangerous when you don't know the person you're talking about. What would you know about my drinking habits and what I consider to be "craic"?

Son Of A Vidic

Room to move, places to sit, no perforation of my eardrums through excess music volume and consistent good quality Guinness.

PeakOutput

Cú Giobach wrote: »

If you genuinely believe sitting in smoke for 3/4 hours of your life will give you cancer, I have a hell of a lot of pity for you.
God forbid you ever need an x-ray :eek:

wow......now your just being ridicolously naieve

how many times a week do you go to the pub? 2?

thats 32 hours a month(almost a full time jobs worth of time sitting in smoke)

which is 384 hours a year which is 16 entire days a year sitting breathing in cigarette which has been scientifically proven to increase your risk of cancer significantly

over a lifetime thats 752 days or 2.1 YEARS sitting in smoke filled rooms

thats only your socialising time in a pub, if you worked in a pub or a restaurant that allowed smoking it would be far far more

AnonoBoy

PeakOutput wrote: »

wow......now your just being ridicolously naieve

how many times a week do you go to the pub? 2?

thats 32 hours a month(almost a full time jobs worth of time sitting in smoke)

which is 384 hours a year which is 16 entire days a year sitting breathing in cigarette which has been scientifically proven to increase your risk of cancer significantly

over a lifetime thats 752 days or 2.1 YEARS sitting in smoke filled rooms

thats only your socialising time in a pub, if you worked in a pub or a restaurant that allowed smoking it would be far far more

But it's cold outside. Waaahhh!!!!!!

Toughen up smokers!

Sure some of the best craic is had out in the smoker areas.

thebigbiffo

PeakOutput wrote: »

to be fair if craic agus ceoil was so important to the community they could just go without a cigarette for a few hours, i dont agree with anne frank in general but the smoking ban is definitely a positive rather then a negative even if it does mean i have to sit outside in the cold smoking area to talk to my mates

look most people including smokers think the ban is ok. but the chap who made the post you were refering to was simply saying - imo - that the sort of conspiritorial, one off event of being allowed to smoke inside on a freezing cold night added to the atmosphere. i totally see where he's coming from and if the law was flaunted the odd time if most people in the bar agreed it would do nobody any harm at all except to jolly up the place.

AnneFrank

PeakOutput wrote: »

so you think pub food in general is better then restaurant food in general and you dont see how the publicans can drop prices AND you think that higher alcohol costs = a reduction in alcoholism?

whats your planet called again

where did i mention pub grub in general was better than restaurant food ?where did i say a higher alcohol cost = a reduction in alcoholim ?are you drunk or just a gombeen ?

PeakOutput

jimthemental wrote: »

I used to work in pubs before the ban came in and it was a nightmare. The smell off of your clothes the following day and the bloodshot eyes if there was a good crowd in made it harder than it had to be. I don't mind going out for a smoke now as long as there is some form of shelter for the smoker. A lot of the comments here about lowering prices and such are a bit misguided. When you put on €3 pints there are consequences. Nestors in Limerick suffered from a fairly dodgy crowd (including myself) and there were always rows due to people abusing the offer badly. It happens in Dicey's too from time to time but there is a better atmosphere there and security is good.

There are roughly 85-90 pints per keg and you lose some to froth and spillage. The margin is still fairly poor and that is why many pubs are struggling.

people will abuse special offers and happy hours because of the better value if its just the norm then it wont attract any different crowd because their local will have the same prices and people wont abuse it because they dont have to get in as many cheap pints as they can before the price goes back up

margins in pubs and clubs are not that small especially in limerick were you pay a tenner to get in(which is sweet sweet creamy profit), 3 euro to have someone hang up your coat(more sweet pure profit) and then 8 euro for a vodka red bull

also in the smaller pubs their rents are far lower and they only generally have one or two staff serving a place packed with punters, they have no incentive to reduce prices admittedly because they are already full to the rafters every weekend but they could certainly afford to

Cú Giobach

AnonoBoy wrote: »

What are you rabbiting on about?

The smoking ban is here to stay. Smokers should quit whinging about it and just accept it.

For such a supposedly cool habit there's an awful lot of cry-babies partaking of it.

I'm on about a one off moment in a small rural pub with no "strangers" around on a quiet evening with the outside temp at -6C.
Wow :eek: you actually think smoking is cool.

Elevator

nothing cos I can drink a lot and not be drunk, I would need well over €100 to drink in a pub today, it probably wouldn't stop at a ton!!

so nothing would bring me back to he pub

AnonoBoy

thebigbiffo wrote: »

look most people including smokers think the ban is ok. but the chap who made the post you were refering to was simply saying - imo - that the sort of conspiritorial, one off event of being allowed to smoke inside on a freezing cold night added to the atmosphere. i totally see where he's coming from and if the law was flaunted the odd time if most people in the bar agreed it would do nobody any harm at all except to jolly up the place.

But sure every night is cold in Ireland. So who decides when it's a one-off event and when it becomes a regular thing?

Cú Giobach

PeakOutput wrote: »

wow......now your just being ridicolously naieve

how many times a week do you go to the pub? 2?

Get a pair of glasses and re-read the conversation.
A one off moment for one night = 3/4 hours. :rolleyes:

AnonoBoy

Elevator wrote: »

nothing cos I can drink a lot and not be drunk, I would need well over €100 to drink in a pub today, it probably wouldn't stop at a ton!!

so nothing would bring me back to he pub

You drink 20 pints in one sitting and aren't drunk?

You're either lying or you're not good at maths.

AnneFrank

thebigbiffo wrote: »

look most people including smokers think the ban is ok. but the chap who made the post you were refering to was simply saying - imo - that the sort of conspiritorial, one off event of being allowed to smoke inside on a freezing cold night added to the atmosphere. i totally see where he's coming from and if the law was flaunted the odd time if most people in the bar agreed it would do nobody any harm at all except to jolly up the place.

are you people mad,it wouldnt do any harm,if most people thought it was ok ?what about the people that dont think it's ok ?what about the staff?what about the law ?Just give up it's way better for your health and will save you a small fortune,the moaners are just the people who dont have the willpower to give up

Duggy747

The smoking ban, while we all complained at first, ended up being a great idea. The pubs have now been seperated into 2 parts which you can freely go to and from.

The odd time the owner after locking up would let us smoke but that usually was because it was mainly a handful of us who stayed and were smokers.

Cú Giobach

AnonoBoy wrote: »

But sure every night is cold in Ireland. So who decides when it's a one-off event and when it becomes a regular thing?

If it was regular we would be caught and fined. That is what stops it. Simples.

AnonoBoy

Cú Giobach wrote: »

I'm on about a one off moment in a small rural pub with no "strangers" around on a quiet evening with the outside temp at -6C.
Wow :eek: you actually think smoking is cool.

1. Re-read my post.

2. Note down the word 'supposedly'?

3. Find a dictionary, look it up.

4. Success! You understand what I was saying.

Ghost Estate

AnneFrank wrote: »

are you people mad,it wouldnt do any harm,if most people thought it was ok ?what about the people that dont think it's ok ?what about the staff?what about the law ?Just give up it's way better for your health and will save you a small fortune,the moaners are just the people who dont have the willpower to give up

so hows that trip back up to the attic going for you? not too well?

Cú Giobach

AnneFrank wrote: »

the moaners are just the people who dont have the willpower to give up

I certainly don't want to give it up. I love smoking.

bryaner

Elevator wrote: »

nothing cos I can drink a lot and not be drunk, I would need well over €100 to drink in a pub today, it probably wouldn't stop at a ton!!

so nothing would bring me back to he pub

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Cú Giobach

AnonoBoy wrote: »

1. Re-read my post.

2. Note down the word 'supposedly'?

3. Find a dictionary, look it up.

4. Success! You understand what I was saying.

How about you look up the word sarcasm.

AnonoBoy

Cú Giobach wrote: »

How about you look up the word sarcasm.

Your sarcasm's crap mate. Try harder in future.

PeakOutput

AnneFrank wrote: »

where did i mention pub grub in general was better than restaurant food ?where did i say a higher alcohol cost = a reduction in alcoholim ?

AnneFrank wrote: »

i think pub grub is ok(toasted sandwiches and soup) but not restaurants

AnneFrank wrote: »

personally with all the alcoholism in this country i thoughtthe price should be raised

AnneFrank wrote: »

are you drunk or just a gombeen ?

thats cool, apology accepted

Get a pair of glasses and re-read the conversation.
A one off moment for one night = 3/4 hours.

im fine with your once off thing in a pub in a rural area or whatever were everyone agrees. i was talking about you moaning about the lack of atmosphere due to people having to leave the pub every now and again. if there was no smoking ban so you could sit inside with your mates chatting while you smoked those 2-4 hours a night add up very fast for everyone else around you not to mention the people serving

AnneFrank

Cú Giobach wrote: »

I certainly don't want to give it up. I love smoking.

that explains alot,