Violent Riots in England - Sky News now

LeixlipRed

Mister men wrote: »

There just horses ffs.

Yes, but to some people the welfare of horses is more important than people not having money to feed their kids. We call them liberals

Star Bingo

you have to remember how the english r always self deprecating about how reserved they are when it comes to such actions, timid n what not - wait til they get a load of us.

sdanseo

johnn wrote: »

Police battering innocent young people for no reason at all on live television, i thought i was watching our own an Garda Siochana in action for a moment there :rolleyes:

Can; Worms.

We've been there, it took about a thousand posts and a couple of bannings, please let's not again :rolleyes:

J. Marston

Sky showing pictures from a phone of Charles' car passing through the crowds and he's inside awkwardly waving out to the protesters, hilarious!

gizmo

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Look at those scumbags busting the protesters with batons and shields. Sickening to be honest.

So you missed the footage of the crowds throwing 2x4s and flares at the cops and the Metro police saying there were snooker balls thrown at them too right? Or wait, does brutality only work when the cops are doing it? :rolleyes:

Mister men

J. Marston wrote: »

Sky showing pictures from a phone of Charles' car passing through the crowds and he's inside awkwardly waving out to the protesters, hilarious!

Lol seen that. How detacted from reality is this guy.:pac:

mike65

SemiMental wrote: »

I am not surprised the students started rioting, £9,000 a year is some serious money to be paying in tuition fees. I would not like to be coming out of college with £21,000 in debt, that is some burden to have.

You only start paying back the loans when your income beaches a certain target and its not like they want it all back in the first year. The level of debt isn't nearly as onerous as they student bodies would have you believe

When will graduates pay?

Graduates currently start to pay back their loans (which cover the cost of their degrees) when they start earning at least £15,000 a year. Under the government's plans, this will go up in line with inflation from 2012. The government wants the earnings threshold to be £21,000, which will increase each year from 2016. Each month, graduates would pay back 9% of their income above the threshold. If they haven't repaid the cost of their degrees within 30 years, the debt will be cancelled.

LeixlipRed

gizmo wrote: »

So you missed the footage of the crowds throwing 2x4s and flares at the cops and the Metro police saying there were snooker balls thrown at them too right? Or wait, does brutality only work when the cops are doing it? :rolleyes:

I didn't see any of the footage. The protesters are fighting for what they believe in, the police should join them to be honest. They're both fighting the wrong enemy.

LeixlipRed

mike65 wrote: »

You only start paying back the loans when your income beaches a certain target and its not like they want it all back in the first year. The level of debt isn't nearly as onerous as they student bodies would have you believe

Only 30 years? Wow, that's almost a bargain.

dr.bollocko

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I didn't see any of the footage. The protesters are fighting for what they believe in, the police should join them to be honest. They're both fighting the wrong enemy.

A bunch of snivelly nosed little pricks tried to fuck shit up, broke a bunch of windows and attempted to gain entry into a number of buildings. They attacked police officers and generally wrecked the place up a bit for a while. I don't disagree with protesting and taking to the streets. However the level of thuggery and idiocy shown in the footage I saw is not something I would ever want to see again on Irish streets.

Fratton Fred

The students are in danger of losing any support they have.

I support their protest, but a lot of this is the usual rentamob thugs that turn up at G8 summitd, building of new roads etc.

Half of them are spoilt rich kids.

mike65

Students are mainly good at hanging about the place and not getting on with their work.

LeixlipRed

I agree the tactics of some of the anarchists are over the top but when there's a mass movement behind them expressing similar anger I see no issue with it.

Terry

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Nothing but a shower of squat dwellers and hobos.

Indeed. The usual scum who head into internet cafes to seek out the next protest.
Wannabe anarchists living in tents and buying cheap cans with Daddy's credit card.

Aiyana Black Cloverleaf wrote: »

I wonder why the British don't use plastic baton rounds on their own when they riot?.

But they did, Aiyana Black Cloverleaf. They used them on the Catholic people in the British controlled region of Ireland.

Oh, wait. I thought you meant the people they regarded as their own, and not those looked upon as papist scum.
Sorry.

ilovesleep wrote: »

Wish they would come over here to ireland and show us how its done. Although doubt riots will do anything. We need a war.

Are you willing to fight in this war?
If so, are you willing to take up arms and kill people?

BickNarry wrote: »

The rioters are 100% right here.

They were promised no increases in education fees,they got them trebled.

If they went out and had a bit of a shout an a moan,that would have been it. Game over. No reaction,just sympathy.

The government listen to economics,not morals. If you hit them economically they''ll realise that its not in their interests to do this. Requesting debate etc. won't change their minds.I doubt they enjoy gettin hit with a batton in the freezing cold but they there is no other way. Peaceful protest won't work in this instance.Even if they fail,people will know they didn't just roll over.

Hi.
Welcome to the real world.
Remember when your mammy promised you ice cream after you ate your brussel sprouts, and then delivered? Yeah, that's not how the real world works.

Politicians promise the world, but rarely deliver.
Smashing stuff may have worked in your quest for ice cream, but it lands you in jail in the real world.

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

Were have your formed this don't pay for anything attitude?...Students pay 1500 euro's of a reg fee now going up to 2000 euro, Student's have to pay vast amounts for Accommodation. Students have to take up part time jobs to help pay for such huge fee's and are doing their best to minimize cost to their ' Taxpaying' parents who begrudgingly hand out the remanded or so you suspect. Students get Jobs through their degrees and then they pay back society through taxes, consumer spending etc....your argument is simplistically naive.

Life is hard. Get used to it.

There's a lounge girl in my local who has worked there through her years in TCD. She got her degree and is now going for her masters.
It's a ****ty job with ****ty hours, but she still does it.
I have the utmost respect for her.
She puts up with drunk jackasses on a regular basis for **** all money, just so she can have a social life.

As for huge fees, picture yourself in the land of the free.
Many students opt to head to the U.S. after graduating, and get jobs there without ever contributing to the economy that gave them very low cost college educations.
Please remember that when you're sitting in an office in NY beside some dude whose parents forked out €200,000 for the same educaton that you have, whilst giving nothing back to those who paid for your education.

By the way, god love you for having to get a job. It must be really tough.

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Most of the rioters are anarchists, and aren't students at all. The vast majority of the students are there to protest peacefully, as is there right.

Indeed. More later.

DB10 wrote: »

fair game imo

The protestors? Yep.

SemiMental wrote: »

Absolutely crazy scenes over in London. There are some good videos of the protest up on the sky news website - students tearing down barriers and of a police man getting trampled by his own horse.
I am not surprised the students started rioting, £9,000 a year is some serious money to be paying in tuition fees. I would not like to be coming out of college with £21,000 in debt, that is some burden to have.

Degrees in 2 years and 4 months? They must be intense courses.

What makes me laugh is the selfishness of the average Irish student of today.
You don't know how good you have it.

Please take into account that your co-workers in the U.S. (yeah, you're going there because you voted FF, and they ****ed up the country, so you're denying responsibility and getting the fúck out) have to pay about €200,000 for their education, but you only had to get your parents to pay a fraction of that, but you go over there with your €8,000 degree and bitch about the raw deal you had at home.

McDonald's are hiring.
If you feel that you're too good for that, then you will confirm the fact that all students are a useless bunch of wasters.

Without your degree and a job to justify your government sponsored education, you're just another waster, and you don't get your degree until you graduate.

LeixlipRed

mike65 wrote: »

Students are mainly good at hanging about the place and not getting on with their work.

Absolutely. So are the unemployed. Sure most of them don't even have jobs :eek:

ardinn

Captain_Generic wrote: »

Live map of whats going down(featuring Godzilla):

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=113314616990789414427.000496f96fd6739e0982d&ll=51.506338,-0.126847&spn=0.003599,0.009645&z=17

My god there is giant green people playing golf :eek:

johnn

sdonn wrote: »

Can; Worms.

We've been there, it took about a thousand posts and a couple of bannings, please let's not again :rolleyes:

Garda or family member of Gardai I take it :rolleyes:

Holybejaysus

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I didn't see any of the footage. The protesters are fighting for what they believe in, the police should join them to be honest. They're both fighting the wrong enemy.

So you didn't see any of the footage, but your first contribution is to complain about the Police?

What a peculiar viewpoint....

gurramok

Holybejaysus wrote: »

The anarchists are attacking shoppers on Oxford St now, according to Sky News. That's just pure thuggery, plain and simple.

LOL. Sky News are really a good laugh. Why didn't you say Topshop for failing to pay their taxes?

Terry

johnn wrote: »

Garda or family member of Gardai I take it :rolleyes:

What's wrong with the Gardaí?

Yours,
Someone with several run-ins with them over the years, but willing to take responsibility for my actions.

Did they ask you if you had any weed, and then search you because you gave them grief?

Want a hug?

Corsendonk

DB10 wrote: »

Think you're a bit out touch with reality if you think Hannah Montana generation are on the streets today...

Hannah montana is only fairly recent programme....

Anyway fair play, least they have the backbone to do something. Not like us spineless lot in this country, like yourself.

Nah I am more democratic, I will be voting FG in at the next election so they can cut all the fat from the public sector, your form of democracy seems to involve a brick and getting on sky news with your mates.

mossyc123

Terry wrote: »

Hi.
Welcome to the real world.
Remember when your mammy promised you ice cream after you ate your brussel sprouts, and then delivered? Yeah, that's not how the real world works.

Politicians promise the world, but rarely deliver.
Smashing stuff may have worked in your quest for ice cream, but it lands you in jail in the real world.

Nail on the head

steddyeddy

Ah I feel for the protesters. I dont care how much a government cuts but when they start to limit social mobility by imposing fees on education then I have a problem. I am not a pacifist I do beleive violence solves some equalities and give volume to the voices of those who otherwise go unheard.

I knew the tory government were out of touch with the majority of himan beings but Im surprised at the lib dems.

jacool

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I agree the tactics of some of the anarchists are over the top but when there's a mass movement behind them expressing similar anger I see no issue with it.

So their tactics can be "over the top" but you "see no issue with it".
Fantastic logic!
The BBC have just had shoppers on who got caught up in the whole thing, totally innocently.
While the protesters had a chance to act sensibly, they let it get out of control, which will surely harm their argument.

mikom

Terry wrote: »

Hi.
Welcome to the real world.
Remember when your mammy promised you ice cream after you ate your brussel sprouts, and then delivered? Yeah, that's not how the real world works.

'Cept in Ireland the government would probably serve you up brussel sprout flavoured ice cream.

gizmo

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ah I feel for the protesters. I dont care how much a government cuts but when they start to limit social mobility by imposing fees on education then I have a problem. I am not a pacifist I do beleive violence solves some equalities and give volume to the voices of those who otherwise go unheard.

I knew the tory government were out of touch with the majority of himan beings but Im surprised at the lib dems.

Social mobility? You realise they'll only have to start repaying their fees once they earn over £21,000 p/a and even then it's only 6% of the amount above that?

hondasam

johnn wrote: »

Garda or family member of Gardai I take it :rolleyes:

Thought this thread was about UK students

magick

In the words of Podge and Rodge "feckin students if their not filming things, their stealing things!"

Namlub

steve9859 wrote: »

What the hell do they believe in?!?!?!? A right to go to university for free? give me a break. Someone has to pay! And its fairest that those who benefit from university pay. And I have yet to hear an interview with a protestor on the street who actually has the facts right and actually knows what they are talking about!!

I like the student anti-protest march at Cambridge, calling on the students occupying parts of the university to go home, and commenting that they actually dont know what they are talking about!

And neither do you clearly; nobody's saying that they think university should be free. What they're protesting about is the fact fees have risen from £3000 to £9000, and this measure has been helped into place by the lib dems, when a promise to not let that happen was one of their main policies before the election. I'm not justifying rioting, that's another matter but are you trying to say that if FF trebled income tax tomorrow you'd just shrug and say 'Ah sure someone has to pay'?

Mister men

Holybejaysus wrote: »

The anarchists are attacking shoppers on Oxford St now, according to Sky News. That's just pure thuggery, plain and simple.

Lol. As one of the protesters said live on air when one of the sly news presenters was brainwashing his audience "liars".

Namlub

People creaming themselves over the idea of this happening in Ireland is embarrassing btw

steddyeddy

gizmo wrote: »

Social mobility? You realise they'll only have to start repaying their fees once they earn over £21,000 p/a and even then it's only 6% of the amount above that?

yes I think the english system is to be envied I was talking about this government.

K-9

hondasam wrote: »

Thought this thread was about UK students

Doesn't matter to the police haters.

Holybejaysus

Mister men wrote: »

Lol. As one of the protesters said live on air when one of the sly news presenters was brainwashing his audience "liars".

Well the BBC are now interviewing the shoppers who witnessed it.

Minstrel27

Namlub wrote: »

People creaming themselves over the idea of this happening in Ireland is embarrassing btw

Sadly we have knackers and scum too

Mister men

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Well the BBC are now interviewing the shoppers who witnessed it.

Protesters attacking shoppers or shops.

LeixlipRed

Holybejaysus wrote: »

So you didn't see any of the footage, but your first contribution is to complain about the Police?

What a peculiar viewpoint....

The Police are the same all over the world. Sting and the other guy just fall out. It's embarrassing.

Mister men

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Sadly we have knackers and scum too

Agreed. I watching Cowen and Co on prime time last night also.:(

Holybejaysus

LeixlipRed wrote: »

The Police are the same all over the world. Sting and the other guy just fall out. It's embarrassing.

Wuh wuh, I'll give you that one. It raised a chuckle..

DB10

Namlub wrote: »

People creaming themselves over the idea of this happening in Ireland is embarrassing btw

why? do you think we should be bullied like the kid at school and not stand up for ourselves

LeixlipRed

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Wuh wuh, I'll give you that one. It raised a chuckle..

See not all lefties are serious bastards

Charles and Camilla get a free ride in the back of a police van!

Namlub

DB10 wrote: »

why? do you think we should be bullied like the kid at school and not stand up for ourselves

Rioting =/= standing up for yourself. There is not a cause in the world that will benefit from someone smashing windows and the only people dumb enough to think so are probably the same ones who think the riots in Dublin in 2006 were a nice display of unity

DB10

Namlub wrote: »

Rioting =/= standing up for yourself. There is not a cause in the world that will benefit from someone smashing windows and the only people dumb enough to think so are probably the same ones who think the riots in Dublin in 2006 were a nice display of unity

keep on rocking, ff needs all the hippies they can get right now

CorkMan

Birdnuts wrote: »

Just proves that the Irish are a nation of Eunochs:rolleyes:

All listening to the Dubliners yet no action.

Namlub

Worthless reply is worthless, stick to mindless chest-beating now because you'll probably be the one cowering in your bedroom with the curtains closed if this actually happened here

dr.bollocko

Just a reminder that any posts advocating violence / rioting will be deleted.

SuperInfinity

I think this is awesome and I hope it comes to Ireland.

The governments both here and in the UK are totally out of control. In the UK it's even worse because you cannot get grants and they give a pittance for jobless people. They've had this coming for a very long time.

If you still think this isn't warranted after everything the government and banks have done to us well then I just feel sorry for you. They have no problems using violence against their citizens.

If they make the rules such that they own everything and the ordinary people deserve and own nothing then of course they can call it "looting" and "vandalism". Why not make our own rules where instead WE own everything and all of these things rightfully belong to us? Then THEY are the criminals.

What we need is a good old-fashioned revolution. Unfortunately it won't happen in Ireland because of all the submissive idiots, but maybe in the UK it will.

Namlub

DB10 wrote: »

keep on rocking, ff needs all the hippies they can get right now

Translation: I thought the riots in Dublin in 2006 were a nice display of unity

BickNarry

Terry wrote: »

Hi.
Welcome to the real world.
Remember when your mammy promised you ice cream after you ate your brussel sprouts, and then delivered? Yeah, that's not how the real world works.

Politicians promise the world, but rarely deliver.
Smashing stuff may have worked in your quest for ice cream, but it lands you in jail in the real world.



Life is hard. Get used to it.

Hi Terry!

The next time I get asked why I broke a promise i'm going to reply

''because the man on the internet said life isn't fair.''

Needless to say,this will suffice as an articulate argument.