Violent Riots in England - Sky News now

Bodhisopha

Useful idiots, those rioters.

SuperInfinity

BickNarry wrote: »

Hi Terry!

The next time I get asked why I broke a promise i'm going to reply

''because the man on the internet said life isn't fair.''

Needless to say,this will suffice as an articulate argument.

I love it how people like that view things in terms of a cause and consequence aspect, sort of like a dog who you punish for behaviour you don't like give treats for behaviour you do... no sense of higher cognition or reasoning, no sense of justice or fairness.

Terry

Corsendonk wrote: »

Nah I am more democratic, I will be voting FG in at the next election so they can cut all the fat from the public sector, your form of democracy seems to involve a brick and getting on sky news with your mates.

Ahh, FG.
FF with a different name.
Th sad part is that the vast majority of the people in this country don't realise that.

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Look at those scumbags busting the protesters with batons and shields. Sickening to be honest.

It's a Saturday night. It's the main street in Leixlip.
People are spilling out of the pubs and heading to the chippers.
You live in no. 2 the Mall.
People are fighting over some sort of crap.
One group of people become frustrated and decide to take their anger out on local buildings.
Someone throws a brick through your front window.
The Gardaí then give this person a slap and throw him into the back of the car.

You're ok with that, right?

Fair enough. It's the festival weekend.
Your family are out enjoying the crap, but some nut decides that it's a capitalist fest and wants to wreak some havok.
Nutty person decides to attack the bouncy castle with a blade while a young relative of yours is enjoying himself (his name is john for easiness).
The air goes out of it, and little John starts to panic.
The Gardaí catch the nut, hit him a slap before the beying mob get their hands on him, and little John is comforted by his family.

I really hate the cops. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111

gurramok

The protesters attacked the Treasury in London shouting 'We want our money back'. That speaks volumes. English people before that protest were mightily pissed off with their banks who nearly bankrupted their country. Our bankers played their part in bankrupting us where we know we are in the throes of the IMF.

Terry

BickNarry wrote: »

Hi Terry!

The next time I get asked why I broke a promise i'm going to reply

''because the man on the internet said life isn't fair.''

Needless to say,this will suffice as an articulate argument.

I see your sarcasm there. It wasn't that subtle.

Are you saying that the next time a politician breaks a promise that you are going to be proactive?

If so, what exactly are you going to do?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Terry wrote: »

It's a Saturday night. It's the main street in Leixlip.
People are spilling out of the pubs and heading to the chippers.
You live in no. 2 the Mall.
People are fighting over some sort of crap.
One group of people become frustrated and decide to take their anger out on local buildings.
Someone throws a brick through your front window.

Oh, I see Leixlip hasn't changed since I worked on 'Rock a Fellas'.. Still smashing up Sammy's & Highway 66?.. Mad kip that!. :pac:

Birdnuts

CorkMan wrote: »

All listening to the Dubliners yet no action.

Worse - there watchin X-Factor:rolleyes:

LeixlipRed

Terry wrote: »

Ahh, FG.
FF with a different name.
Th sad part is that the vast majority of the people in this country don't realise that.




It's a Saturday night. It's the main street in Leixlip.
People are spilling out of the pubs and heading to the chippers.
You live in no. 2 the Mall.
People are fighting over some sort of crap.
One group of people become frustrated and decide to take their anger out on local buildings.
Someone throws a brick through your front window.
The Gardaí then give this person a slap and throw him into the back of the car.

You're ok with that, right?

Fair enough. It's the festival weekend.
Your family are out enjoying the crap, but some nut decides that it's a capitalist fest and wants to wreak some havok.
Nutty person decides to attack the bouncy castle with a blade while a young relative of yours is enjoying himself (his name is john for easiness).
The air goes out of it, and little John starts to panic.
The Gardaí catch the nut, hit him a slap before the beying mob get their hands on him, and little John is comforted by his family.

I really hate the cops. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111

Ugggh, the Leixlip festival? No self respecting leftie would ever go to that.

BickNarry

Terry wrote: »

I see your sarcasm there. It wasn't that subtle.

Are you saying that the next time a politician breaks a promise that you are going to be proactive?

If so, what exactly are you going to do?

I'm not down with the whole boards out-do-eachother-banter yet, i was just using an example of your logic.

It depends on the gravity of the issue. Lib Dems made a hugely important promise not to increase education fees in order to gain votes,then went and trebled them.

I'm finishing college this year, very lucky as I just lost my job and have been struggling to pay for things.Can't afford my masters now. If I voted for a party who promised that there would be no increase in these and they TREBLED them,the frustration would be huge.

Why frustrated?Because there is **** all we can do about it. Rioting does not occur in a healthy democracy.

But yes,I also do see where you're coming from,and that attitude is useful with a lot of the people out there who nit-pick at every little cut and believe that none are neccessary.

Just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

df1985

its a hiller v farender fight in here now.




(Leixlip joke)

LeixlipRed

df1985 wrote: »

its a hiller v farender fight in here now.




(Leixlip joke)

We're both hillers.

arybvtcw0eolkf

df1985 wrote: »

its a hiller v farender fight in here now.

When I worked there it was the Hiller lads and lads coming out from Ballyier..

Jesus, that was a mad place.. Most violent place I've ever worked!.

But back then the cop station closed at 11pm so we were up to our tits in it!.. Plus Liffey Vally S.C. was being built (mostly northern Irish builders) as to was IBM.. Crazy days, loved 'em.. Would make the London riots look like a walk in the park :cool:

Terry

Aiyana Black Cloverleaf wrote: »

Oh, I see Leixlip hasn't changed since I worked on 'Rock a Fellas'.. Still smashing up Sammy's & Highway 66?.. Mad kip that!. :pac:

Not a bit.

The vast majority of people from Leixlip know to avoid the village during weekend nights.
Those who choose to hit the pubs in the village arrange for a hackney to meet them outside the pub. The hackney drivers ring when they are outside. Locals get preference.

The new version of that nightclub is populated by under 20's. That's where the stabby peole come in.

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Ugggh, the Leixlip festival? No self respecting leftie would ever go to that.

Ahh, baiting.
Allow me to bait back.
Yore ma!

Terry

LeixlipRed wrote: »

We're both hillers.

If that's the case, would you please call over and smell the chicken I just took out of the fridge?
It's a little smelly, but I only bought it yesterday.
I think it may just be sweating in the plastic bag, but I'm drunk, so I can't be sure.

I really want to make a curry, but I'm afraid now.

Sticky_Fingers

Looks like the Commons voted through the fees increase, its really going to kick off now. While I don't support the violence of the protests the Lib Dems really stitched up the students on this one, looks like they are just as hypocritical as the two main parties.

IMO they have done a massive disservice to democracy in England today by effectively committing political suicide, there are now no viable alternatives to the big two thus reducing the choice offered to the electorate, shine on you crazy diamond turds.

Word of advice to the politicians never promise anything you are not sure you can deliver.

LeixlipRed

Terry wrote: »

If that's the case, would you please call over and smell the chicken I just took out of the fridge?
It's a little smelly, but I only bought it yesterday.
I think it may just be sweating in the plastic bag, but I'm drunk, so I can't be sure.

I really want to make a curry, but I'm afraid now.

Not lived there for a while though.

Fratton Fred

BickNarry wrote: »

It depends on the gravity of the issue. Lib Dems made a hugely important promise not to increase education fees in order to gain votes,then went and trebled them.

I'm finishing college this year, very lucky as I just lost my job and have been struggling to pay for things.Can't afford my masters now. If I voted for a party who promised that there would be no increase in these and they TREBLED them,the frustration would be huge.

Why frustrated?Because there is **** all we can do about it. Rioting does not occur in a healthy democracy.

The problems the liberals have is that they made promises safe in the belief they didn't have a hope in hell of getting into power so they could make promises that were completely unsustainable, a bit like sinn fein do.

The problem comes in when you get into power and are expected to keep your promises, even more of a problem when you are only there to make up the numbers.

DB10

Terry wrote: »

Ahh, FG.
FF with a different name.
Th sad part is that the vast majority of the people in this country don't realise that.

We should make this post of the day. Nobody realises it about FG, but I suppose we must put with 4 more years of hardship because the masses have their heads buried in the sand and will vote FG without have the first clue about them.

DB10

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The problems the liberals have is that they made promises safe in the belief they didn't have a hope in hell of getting into power so they could make promises that were completely unsustainable, a bit like sinn fein do.

Back for more digs are we....:rolleyes:

Corsendonk

Terry wrote: »

Ahh, FG.
FF with a different name.
Th sad part is that the vast majority of the people in this country don't realise that.

I haven't much choice, I am of the opinion that nepotism ruined the country(Cowan, Lenihan, Aherne) so I don't vote for relatives but guess what, the local Labour party picked the brother of the former Labour TD. Is Labour the new FF with all this nepotism?

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The problems the liberals have is that they made promises safe in the belief they didn't have a hope in hell of getting into power so they could make promises that were completely unsustainable, a bit like sinn fein do.

The problem comes in when you get into power and are expected to keep your promises, even more of a problem when you are only there to make up the numbers.

Its terrible the things people end up with super-glued to their shoulder....

dsmythy

Hard left means violence. Funny that there is hysteria about the far right when you see this happening. I'm kind of glad such mayhem is on show on SkyNews with our own elections coming up. More than enough to sway that pen away from certain candidates even though there's only a very tenuous linkage of ideology.

DB10

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Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

Its terrible the things people end up with super-glued to their shoulder....

The truth hurts eh?

LeixlipRed

dsmythy wrote: »

Hard left means violence. Funny that there is hysteria about the far right when you see this happening. I'm kind of glad such mayhem is on show on SkyNews with our own elections coming up. More than enough to sway that pen away from certain candidates even though there's only a very tenuous linkage of ideology.

Depends on what you mean by violence. Is revolution possible without violence? Unlikely. Is violence against those who protect property and the ruling class acceptable in the eyes of the far-left? Most revolutionary socialists would see individual acts of violence against police officers as wrong but would see police officers being hurt in the course of a revolutionary upheaval as unfortunate but necessary. I can't speak for anarchists however...

Terry

Corsendonk wrote: »

I haven't much choice, I am of the opinion that nepotism ruined the country(Cowan, Lenihan, Aherne) so I don't vote for relatives but guess what, the local Labour party picked the brother of the former Labour TD. Is Labour the new FF with all this nepotism?

I've no idea.
Did you ask the brother what his policies are?

When it comes to voting, you should always vote for the person who you believe is most suited to the job, but only after you have questioned all the candidates.
Unfortunately not too many people ever question the candidates, and most of them do not make it easy for the people to question them.

Employing a family member or a friend isn't the worst thing in the world if this person is competent and able to do the job. Employing a family member or a friend because they are close to you is nepotism at its worst.

I can only give my own opinion here, but I believe that both Berite and the brother Noel are there through nepotism. Not only because they are brothers, but also because they are members of FF. That's just my opinion though, and I have no proof of that claim.

I have the same opinion of former Taoiseach John Bruton and his brother Richard. Both FG.

From Labour, and on a local level, I know of two brothers serving on the local council.
I know that one goes out of his way to help the locals, but I am of the firm belief that the other is as corrupt as Charlie Haughey. He just never had the chance to screw over as many people as Haughey.

Holybejaysus

DB10 wrote: »

Violence is the only way to reform this country, it's time to take the streets, loot stores, and plan ways to get digs at the gardai without taking a baton to the head.

My prefered method thus far is a good lacing in the balls, and we'll see then what their shield and baton will do....

I like many others, I'm just waiting in the background, for the "players" to make it happen....

My emergency crates of Devil's Bit and Dutch Gold are also on standby.

So how are things in art college these days? :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

Lots of keyboard warriors on here tonight.

SuperInfinity

To play devil's advocate... I wonder how many of the people breaking into government buildings and smashing windows etc. were never college students and just took the opportunity to have some fun and wreak havoc. :pac:

DB10

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Lots of keyboard warriors on here tonight.

The English man that hates Ireland finally speaks up, despite his pathetic digs at sf and other parties.

I'd ****ing laugh in your face son, if I ever see Pompey liquidated...

Micky Dolenz

DB10 wrote: »

The English man that hates Ireland finally speaks up, despite his pathetic digs at sf and other parties.

I'd ****ing laugh in your face son, if I ever see Pompey liquidated...

Banned

Dudess

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I think this is awesome and I hope it comes to Ireland.

You "hope" it comes to Ireland? Who's going to bring it?

If they make the rules such that they own everything and the ordinary people deserve and own nothing then of course they can call it "looting" and "vandalism". Why not make our own rules where instead WE own everything and all of these things rightfully belong to us? Then THEY are the criminals.

What we need is a good old-fashioned revolution. Unfortunately it won't happen in Ireland because of all the submissive idiots, but maybe in the UK it will.

At least the submissive idiots aren't as bad as the people who rant about how we need a revolution... yet wait for others to start it.

Seaneh

There are still over 1000 people on the bridge, cops not letting medical help in to them, lots of people on the ground. Cops won't let people leave without agreeing to letting them take a photo and a statement.

Absolute disgrace.

SuperInfinity

Dudess wrote: »

You "hope" it comes to Ireland? Who's going to bring it?

It's not one individual, it's a group consciousness. Irish people had a wonderful opportunity to take to the streets proper and riot, and reject the IMF deal and the budget and reclaim our sovereignity. And we could get behind all the people who opposed it. There are protests recently about the welfare being cut and so on, but they're a bit fragmented and what they're opposing isn't as significant. Maybe it was good though to give people confidence to go out and protest like that andfor the next protests they'll be stronger.

Dudess wrote: »

At least the submissive idiots aren't as bad as the people who rant about how we need a revolution... yet wait for others to start it.

I'm NOT talking about people who disagree with having a revolution there, I'm talking about the people who will do ANYTHING an authority tells them and would NEVER refuse them or stand up for what was right. You know, the type of people who if the government said tomorrow they were to be their new slaves would say: "oh begor that's terrible... right so, when do I begin?".... there are a lot of those people in Ireland.

JONJO THE MISER

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Banned

:eek: nEVER SEEn someone banned before,, oh ive lived a sheltered exsistance.

Dudess

SuperInfinity wrote: »

It's not one individual, it's a group consciousness. Irish people had a wonderful opportunity to take to the streets proper and riot, and reject the IMF deal and the budget and reclaim our sovereignity. And we could get behind all the people who opposed it. There are protests recently about the welfare being cut and so on, but they're a bit fragmented and what they're opposing isn't as significant. Maybe it was good though to give people confidence to go out and protest like that andfor the next protests they'll be stronger.



I'm NOT talking about people who disagree with having a revolution there, I'm talking about the people who will do ANYTHING an authority tells them and would NEVER refuse them or stand up for what was right. You know, the type of people who if the government said tomorrow they were to be their new slaves would say: "oh begor that's terrible... right so, when do I begin?".... there are a lot of those people in Ireland.

What has stopped you from starting the revolution?

LeixlipRed

Dudess wrote: »

You "hope" it comes to Ireland? Who's going to bring it?

At least the submissive idiots aren't as bad as the people who rant about how we need a revolution... yet wait for others to start it.

How do you know if anyone on the internet isn't partaking in building a revolutionary movement away from the internet? The assumption that it's all talk is contradicted by the 5,000 or some people who turned out to protest on budget day in the capital. Most of these people belonged to or broadly support far left parties.

Wolfe Tone

Dudess wrote: »

What has stopped you from starting the revolution?

The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon.


Its a long way off.

Fratton Fred

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon.


Its a long way off.

Freedom from what?

There's a lot of cutbacks, high unemployment etc. But people are starting to make the place sound like its Zimbabwe or something.

Mister men

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Freedom from what?

There's a lot of cutbacks, high unemployment etc. But people are starting to make the place sound like its Zimbabwe or something.

Actually our debt is worse.

FlutterinBantam

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The truth hurts eh?

The truth always hurts to some people FF.

People who actually contribute and are productive will always be treated badly around these parts.

Hold your head up;)

Fratton Fred

Mister men wrote: »

Actually our debt is worse.

Worse or higher? I haven't experienced hyper inflation, food shortages, forced labour, massive levels of crime etc.

This country doesn't need a revolution, it needs an election, then the people will speak.

Mister men

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Worse or higher? I haven't experienced hyper inflation, food shortages, forced labour, massive levels of crime etc.

This country doesn't need a revolution, it needs an election, then the people will speak.

Like i said worse.

Fratton Fred

Mister men wrote: »

Like i said worse.

I think that is a bit dramatic. This country will never see the levels of poverty and corruption seen in many countries.

Son Of A Vidic

steve9859 wrote: »

You charge the police with a mask on you should get shot, not just tapped with a baton!

Fcuk, Sieg Heil to you too.

steve9859

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Fcuk, Sieg Heil to you too.

with a plastic bullet, not shot dead!! Thought the police response was pretty proportionate. They werent students in the balaclarvas - just anarchists who set out to fight and injure cops

sensibleken

They should have brought in the paras* then they would have been all like peeow peeow bang peeow eeeeeeeeee---boom!

that would be cool!

*troopers not olympians

It wasn't me!

Having watched the footage, I think the police response was extremely tame. You have a massive crowd surging at a line held by tiny numbers of police, throwing missiles and acting violently. I'd be ****ing terrified, and I certainly think the use of plastic baton rounds would have been in order before it even developed to that point. The talk of revolution here and how violence is now the answer would have been ridiculed, and rightly so, two or three weeks ago. People are now feeling the suffering coming and suddenly it seems appropriate, because they're afraid. It's going to take much bigger people to just work through this.

steve9859

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Having watched the footage, I think the police response was extremely tame. You have a massive crowd surging at a line held by tiny numbers of police, throwing missiles and acting violently. I'd be ****ing terrified, and I certainly think the use of plastic baton rounds would have been in order before it even developed to that point. The talk of revolution here and how violence is now the answer would have been ridiculed, and rightly so, two or three weeks ago. People are now feeling the suffering coming and suddenly it seems appropriate, because they're afraid. It's going to take much bigger people to just work through this.

they should have been much more proactive in going in and dragging off the protestors on the walls of the treasury building. But i guess they risked getting isolated. I saw one policeman get stuck on his own and beaten pretty bad until his mates came and rescued him. I guess its probably best to let them tire them selves out by breaking through bomb proof windows.

They showed a cracking fight on Sky though. At one point there were 20 or 30 of the riot police backed up in a half circle against the wall, crouched down with their shields over their heads like the Spartans in 300.

The protestors actually charged them! Big mistake!! The riot police responded really agrressively. Id say some of the protestors were hurt pretty bad - their own bloody fault! Havent seen fighting like that since the miners!

Fratton Fred

I think plastic bullets only get called on if there is a serious risk to life, like petrol bombs etc and it never got anywhere near that.