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It wasn't me!

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I think plastic bullets only get called on if there is a serious risk to life, like petrol bombs etc and it never got anywhere near that.

There have been flares thrown in an attempt to burn the police, and a crowd that size, opposed by such a small number, with that degree of aggression? There's no peace there. That in and of itself represents a serious threat

Lirange

SuperInfinity wrote: »

What we need is a good old-fashioned revolution. Unfortunately it won't happen in Ireland because of all the submissive idiots, but maybe in the UK it will.

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

Cantona's Collars

Watched the 'highlights' last night for want of a better word-Fair play to protesting but Anarchists seem to hijack protests at every opportunity and cause mayhem,this causes a ripple effect and seemingly mild mannered people get caught up in it and join the violence.Saw one guy getting a good kicking at the top of Oxford Street as he decided to stand alone and throw punches at a cop.
The school kids protested the other day and handed in a petition to Downing Street,no violence-very hard for Anarchists and scumbags to blend in with 14 and 15 year olds.They want to fight the system one day and claim benefits the next.Strange way of thinking.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Lirange wrote: »

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

In.

Amhran Nua

If you want to know how the hard left works, pay attention to this.

The hard left is playing straight from the communist/marxist/whatever-ist bible, which says that the "enlightened" need to lead the "normal people" into a glorious socialist paradise. What happens then is you sign over the deeds to your house and so on and it gets redistributed according to need, unfortunately no effort along these lines has ever really gotten past the handing over of the keys part for some reason.

The reality is that the brainwashed cultists incorporate themselves into any cause going, the greens, student protests, whatever, (this is known as entryism) and try to "radicalise" the members. This means stirring up conflict between these groups and the authorities and knocking people off balance, which makes them ripe for indoctrination. Cults like the Scientologists use the same technique, create a problem then offer to fix it for cash. They target the weak and disenfranchised.

The real kicker is that they will almost certainly never achieve their goals, and those in charge know that. The point is that you get to pay a tithe, literally a tenth of all income, to these groups, and once you start paying that you'll start defending them yourself in case you look like a fool. And on the twisted cycle goes.

At the end of the day, its all about the money. Really, their one and only goal is to indoctrinate more members and hence get more money.

Krusader

Lirange wrote: »

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

You know it's gonna be,
Alriight
You know it's gonna be,
Alriight
You know it's gonna be,
Alriight

Whoooahh, *guitar solo*

Son Of A Vidic

Fratton Fred wrote: »

..They didn't have a hope in hell of getting into power so they could make promises that were completely unsustainable, a bit like Sinn Fein do.

The people will decide who has a 'hope in hell' of getting elected, or should we stick with the 'incompetents' who landed us in this then? I'll judge a party based on their performance in government, I admire your soothsaying abilities, the ability to discount what has never happened before. ' Oh Sinn Fein is the Bogeyman is it? They certainly wouldn't have bent over and allowed the rape of this nation by the IMF/EU.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The problem comes in when you get into power and are expected to keep your promises....

It's called political reality, I'd much rather the oppositions version of it than the version that was thrust upon us. I suspect they won't make the amazing promises that our current government made. Here's the greatest one of all which everyone overlooks. Vote 'Yes to Lisbon' - it's good for business, good for jobs and will shorten the oncoming recession. Wow! That one is hard to beat, that was the mother of all promises.

Sinn Fein's assessment and warning about this, has proved to be absolutely correct. I never gave Sinn Fein much thought before now, but then I came home from work on budget day and saw Pearse Doherty deliver his speech. This is the new type of fresh face Irish politics need, he put the dinosaurs to shame.

Fratton Fred

It's called being in opposition. They ate there to put pressure on the government, the less mainstream the more radical the ideas.

This isn't about sinn fein, its about the lib dems, but they are a good comparison. A hard core of supporters and the chance of picking up votes from the malcontents, but zero chance of anything more than being part of a coalition government.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's called being in opposition. They ate there to put pressure on the government, the less mainstream the more radical the ideas.

This isn't about sinn fein, ...........

...then why did you bring them up...?

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

...then why did you bring them up...?

As an analogy.

LeixlipRed

Amhran Nua wrote: »

If you want to know how the hard left works, pay attention to this.

The hard left is playing straight from the communist/marxist/whatever-ist bible, which says that the "enlightened" need to lead the "normal people" into a glorious socialist paradise. What happens then is you sign over the deeds to your house and so on and it gets redistributed according to need, unfortunately no effort along these lines has ever really gotten past the handing over of the keys part for some reason.

The reality is that the brainwashed cultists incorporate themselves into any cause going, the greens, student protests, whatever, (this is known as entryism) and try to "radicalise" the members. This means stirring up conflict between these groups and the authorities and knocking people off balance, which makes them ripe for indoctrination. Cults like the Scientologists use the same technique, create a problem then offer to fix it for cash. They target the weak and disenfranchised.

The real kicker is that they will almost certainly never achieve their goals, and those in charge know that. The point is that you get to pay a tithe, literally a tenth of all income, to these groups, and once you start paying that you'll start defending them yourself in case you look like a fool. And on the twisted cycle goes.

At the end of the day, its all about the money. Really, their one and only goal is to indoctrinate more members and hence get more money.

You know, I've been hanging around the far left quite a while now and no one has ever asked me for a penny. I hope your new centrist party gets 6 votes and a punch in the gee.

sensibleken

Fratton Fred wrote: »

As an analogy.

teeheeheehee

Sir Gallagher

I must admit, seeing crusties on the front line getting a smack of a police baton is a guilty pleasure of mine.

Dudess

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon.


Its a long way off.

My point is, I see absolutely nothing wrong with people saying a revolution is needed, and people working away quietly to achieve it - it doesn't have to be in-your-face bombast. Merely attending protests and marches is in itself making your voice heard and I have absolutely no time for the "Oh I'm so right-wing and no-nonsense that I'd never attend a protest as that might look a bit hippy-ish of me" sentiment here. However, there's quite the irony in people commenting on Boards that change is needed and then adding "but Irish people aren't gonna bother their arses are they? :rolleyes:" etc.

Wolfe Tone

Dudess wrote: »

My point is, I see absolutely nothing wrong with people saying a revolution is needed, and people working away quietly to achieve it - it doesn't have to be in-your-face bombast. Merely attending protests and marches is in itself making your voice heard and I have absolutely no time for the "Oh I'm so right-wing and no-nonsense that I'd never attend a protest as that might look a bit hippy-ish of me" sentiment here. However, there's quite the irony in people commenting on Boards that change is needed and then adding "but Irish people aren't gonna bother their arses are they? :rolleyes:" etc.

Yeah I agree with that. Just to be clear when I say its a long way off happening I mean that not in a "no one is arsed" way, but simply that I do not see it happening for a good while yet.

Holybejaysus

Did anyone see that Charlie Gilmour (son of Pink Floyd's David Gilmour) has had to apologize after swinging from the Union Jack on the Cenotaph during the riots yesterday?

What the fooooook is the son of a man worth 80 MILLION doing protesting about fees, I ask? Don't try telling me they can't afford it. What is it about making money that makes people more greedy? I think the term 'Educated Idiot' is apt here....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337506/Tuition-fee-vote-riot-Pink-Floyd-stars-son-says-sorry-insulting-Britains-war-dead.html

Amhran Nua

LeixlipRed wrote: »

You know, I've been hanging around the far left quite a while now and no one has ever asked me for a penny. I hope your new centrist party gets 6 votes and a punch in the gee.

Ah violence, the far left answer when you can't get anyone to vote for you. For what its worth, I've been reliably informed about the "contributions" by former members of the SWP.

Dudess

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Ah violence, the far left answer when you can't get anyone to vote for you.

'Tis true. Nobody on the far right EVER resorted to violence when they couldn't get anyone to vote for them...

Amhran Nua

Dudess wrote: »

'Tis true. Nobody on the far right EVER resorted to violence when they couldn't get anyone to vote for them...

Have we got the far right in Ireland?

Wolfe Tone

LeixlipRed wrote: »

You know, I've been hanging around the far left quite a while now and no one has ever asked me for a penny. I hope your new centrist party gets 6 votes and a punch in the gee.

Its quite simple, he is talking pure Sh!te. And unless he has any PROOF he should probably shut up.

Corsendonk

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Have we got the far right in Ireland?

Legion of Mary

Amhran Nua

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Its quite simple, he is talking pure Sh!te. And unless he has any PROOF he should probably shut up.

Or what, I'll get a punch in the gee? This is what I was literally told, and I've no reason to disbelieve those who told me. Have you got the accounts for the SWP handy, I'll be happy to amend my opinions when I see the source and amount of donations they have been receiving, linked to expenditures.

Wolfe Tone

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Or what, I'll get a punch in the gee? This is what I was literally told, and I've no reason to disbelieve those who told me. Have you got the accounts for the SWP handy, I'll be happy to amend my opinions when I see the source and amount of donations they have been receiving, linked to expenditures.

I was told that upon joining Amhran Nua you are repeatedly raped. I have no reason to disbelieve those who told me. I will be happy to amend my opinion(wait, its only an opinion now?) when I see proof that it is not the case.

Amhran Nua

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I was told that upon joining Amhran Nua you are repeatedly raped. I have no reason to disbelieve those who told me. I will be happy to amend my opinion(wait, its only an opinion now?) when I see proof that it is not the case.

Damn, our secret is out, now we'll only get the masochist vote. And we would have got away with it too if it weren't for those pesky communists.

LeixlipRed

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Ah violence, the far left answer when you can't get anyone to vote for you. For what its worth, I've been reliably informed about the "contributions" by former members of the SWP.

I'm a member of the SWP. Like any organisation you can contribute if you wish. I notice some silly organisation that is about as removed ideologically from FF as FG are soliciting for donations on their website. Every single part of your previous post was so hilariously inaccurate you're obliterating any point you ever had.

FlutterinBantam

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I must admit, seeing crusties on the front line getting a smack of a police baton is a guilty pleasure of mine.

Don't feel guilty Sir G, just wallow in the feeling that the taxes you are paying go to pay the lads wielding the batons who are dishing out a good smacking.


Nice to see your taxes being put to productive use for a change.


Gives one a nice warm glow of satisfaction.

Amhran Nua

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I'm a member of the SWP. Like any organisation you can contribute if you wish. I notice some silly organisation that is about as removed ideologically from FF as FG are soliciting for donations on their website. Every single part of your previous post was so hilariously inaccurate you're obliterating any point you ever had.

See the important difference is its party policy to publish all donations, no matter how large or small, and their sources. Set in the constitution, in fact. Anonymous donations are dispensed to charities.

We don't need to set up a pile of friendly sounding organisations to dupe people into joining us because we have a dodgy ideology and no workable policies - AN, it does what it says on the tin. Even the policies are completely open to public discussion, and we've more people joining every day to contribute something much more valuable than money - ideas for the future of the country. Not for us the breaking into the seat of government or assaulting guards, we like this democracy thing.

Wolfe Tone

Amhran Nua wrote: »

See the important difference is its party policy to publish all donations, no matter how large or small, and their sources. Set in the constitution, in fact. Anonymous donations are dispensed to charities.

We don't need to set up a pile of friendly sounding organisations to dupe people into joining us because we have a dodgy ideology and no workable policies - AN, it does what it says on the tin. Even the policies are completely open to public discussion, and we've more people joining every day to contribute something much more valuable than money - ideas for the future of the country. Not for us the breaking into the seat of government or assaulting guards, we like this democracy thing.

Pretty sure I have asked this before, but will again, what is your connection to the party you shill, and are you an official representative, and if so, what is your name?

LeixlipRed

Amhran Nua wrote: »

See the important difference is its party policy to publish all donations, no matter how large or small, and their sources. Set in the constitution, in fact. Anonymous donations are dispensed to charities.

We don't need to set up a pile of friendly sounding organisations to dupe people into joining us because we have a dodgy ideology and no workable policies - AN, it does what it says on the tin. Even the policies are completely open to public discussion, and we've more people joining every day to contribute something much more valuable than money - ideas for the future of the country. Not for us the breaking into the seat of government or assaulting guards, we like this democracy thing.

We like democracy too. Real democracy. Not the same type you couldn't get in FF or FG because you only owned one racehorse and they wouldn't let you in. Any organisation the SWP is involved in is completely open about their links with us. People before Profit, Righttowork, the United Left Alliance. The SWP are completely penniless anyway. Some members donate part of their earnings to the party. We collect donations at events. All that goes towards is our newspaper and then posters, flags and leaflets. And a boot for kicking you in the gee. A massive boot.

Amhran Nua

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Pretty sure I have asked this before, but will again, what is your connection to the party you shill, and are you an official representative, and if so, what is your name?

Eh no you haven't, and if you had I'd have said that I'm one of the founding members, and my name can be found all over the website. I've also had interviews with nationally published newspapers and radio stations, most recently last week, and my name is all over them too. A few hundred thousand people have probably heard of me, albeit briefly. I think I remember reading that boards didn't allow people to put out their real names in posts, but if thats not the case I'll be happy to post it up here too.

I would also point out that discussion was not, in this thread, turned to the group by me.

Amhran Nua

LeixlipRed wrote: »

We like democracy too. Real democracy. Not the same type you couldn't get in FF or FG because you only owned one racehorse and they wouldn't let you in.

In a manner not unlike watching a car crash, I'm forced to ask, what sort of democracy do you envision?

LeixlipRed wrote: »

And a boot for kicking you in the gee. A massive boot.

Is this a political party or an episode of the Simpsons?

LeixlipRed

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Eh no you haven't, and if you had I'd have said that I'm one of the founding members, and my name can be found all over the website. I've also had interviews with nationally published newspapers and radio stations, most recently last week, and my name is all over them too. A few hundred thousand people have probably heard of me, albeit briefly. I think I remember reading that boards didn't allow people to put out their real names in posts, but if thats not the case I'll be happy to post it up here too.

I would also point out that discussion was not, in this thread, turned to the group by me.

Yeh, but if you ever got into power (you won't, but they'll eventually let you into FF/FG) you'll be the one directing the police to assault the working classes and protect poverty. So it's extremely relevant I feel. Mods can we rename the thread to include this subtopic?

Wolfe Tone

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Eh no you haven't, and if you had I'd have said that I'm one of the founding members, and my name can be found all over the website. I've also had interviews with nationally published newspapers and radio stations, most recently last week, and my name is all over them too. A few hundred thousand people have probably heard of me, albeit briefly. I think I remember reading that boards didn't allow people to put out their real names in posts, but if thats not the case I'll be happy to post it up here too.

I would also point out that discussion was not, in this thread, turned to the group by me.

I did ask before. Cant remember what reply. There is no such rule. Which one are you then? Tell us your name, so we can clearly see who is making these allegations about SWP.

LeixlipRed

Amhran Nua wrote: »

In a manner not unlike watching a car crash, I'm forced to ask, what sort of democracy do you envision?


Is this a political party or an episode of the Simpsons?

One were the minute after you mess up we can recall you. Right of recall is a basic tenant of any proper democracy. This is After Hours, every post I make in her must contain attempts at irony or humour, it's expected.

Amhran Nua

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Yeh, but if you ever got into power (you won't, but they'll eventually let you into FF/FG) you'll be the one directing the police to assault the working classes and protect poverty.

This comment speaks for itself I suppose.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I did ask before. Cant remember what reply. There is no such rule. Which one are you then? Tell us your name, so we can clearly see who is making these allegations about SWP.

Here, doesn't get much clearer than this. I have already stated the source of my information, and requests for clarification from you were met with heavy handed sarcasm.

LeixlipRed wrote: »

One were the minute after you mess up we can recall you. Right of recall is a basic tenant of any proper democracy.

What happens when someone sets up a media scandal of some sort and your policies which will take years to reach fruition are entirely derailed? I do agree that recall should be a factor, but it should be a right of absolutely last resort.

LeixlipRed

Haha, last resort? As in never you mean

LeixlipRed

I should add that working to provide for your fellow working class person doesn't take years to deliver. You either do it or you don't. We don't want to spend 5 years gradually levelling out inequalities. We want to eliminate them competely. That's the aim of a classless society.

Wolfe Tone

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Here, doesn't get much clearer than this. I have already stated the source of my information, and requests for clarification from you were met with heavy handed sarcasm.

You are referring to this I presume?

Have you got the accounts for the SWP handy, I'll be happy to amend my opinions when I see the source and amount of donations they have been receiving, linked to expenditures.

How the hell would I when I have absolutely no connection whatsoever to the party?

You no doubt have similar information available about your own party?

LeixlipRed

I'm googling a list of donations now. We're a registered political party so they're out on the interweb somewhere. Expenses are detailed exactly as I put them earlier. We don't employ anyone, we don't buy arms from North Korea but we do drink tea. They also always have caramel sucky sweets in the office.

LeixlipRed

The last two years published, 08 and 07 have no recorded donations for the SWP. But I assume there's some sort of lower bound on this were you only need to disclose if it's over a certain amount? Not saying that situation is correct but as I said, some people contribute some of their wages. That's about it.

Amhran Nua

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Haha, last resort? As in never you mean

I should add that working to provide for your fellow working class person doesn't take years to deliver. You either do it or you don't. We don't want to spend 5 years gradually levelling out inequalities. We want to eliminate them competely. That's the aim of a classless society.

Despite the ambitions of some muppets in FF, we largely have a classless society. There is nothing to stop anyone enriching or impoverishing themselves should they wish to do so, and have the ability to do so. Whatever imbalances have arisen will be ironed out before too long. If you want to see a real class-based society go to India.

Mostly people who like talking about class in Ireland are those trying to incite a feeling of entitlement among people. But thats a rabbit hole we won't go down here. Instead, can you tell me how the SWP would sweep clear all inequality in a matter of weeks if not days?

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

How the hell would I when I have absolutely no connection whatsoever to the party?

If you have no idea what you're talking about, why do you think what I said was wrong? A hunch?

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

You no doubt have similar information available about your own party?

I sure do. We've turned down several kind offers of donations over the last six months since its not right to be taking people's money until the thing is fully registered. I know that would help it get registered, but the feeling is the ideas and the word will speak for themselves.

Now, my fine fellows, lets be having it. "MUSSOLINI", what's your real name, face and phone number, yourself and "LeixlipRed". I feel at something of a disadvantage at the moment. Come along, you've nothing to be shy about surely, I'm no adonis by comparison to anything.

Amhran Nua

LeixlipRed wrote: »

The last two years published, 08 and 07 have no recorded donations for the SWP.

Who is paying for all these demonstrations and newspapers then? Quite mysterious.

Wolfe Tone

Amhran Nua wrote: »

If you have no idea what you're talking about, why do you think what I said was wrong? A hunch?

It is quite clear that you were attempting to defame and discredit the party. Also, I have few acquaintances who are members. But mostly it was the fact that you had nothing to back up your claims. Dirty politics.

I sure do. We've turned down several kind offers of donations over the last six months since its not right to be taking people's money until the thing is fully registered. I know that would help it get registered, but the feeling is the ideas and the word will speak for themselves.

So can we see the details and accounts then? Several kind offers? You have turned down ALL donations then?

Now, my fine fellows, lets be having it. "MUSSOLINI", what's your real name, face and phone number, yourself and "LeixlipRed". I feel at something of a disadvantage at the moment. Come along, you've nothing to be shy about surely, I'm no adonis by comparison to anything.

Absolutely not. That is none of your business. I am not purporting to be representing a political party like you are. I am not asking for votes, or indeed donations.

LeixlipRed

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Who is paying for all these demonstrations and newspapers then? Quite mysterious.

I just answered that! What does a demo cost? Poster, leaflets, flags. I just referred to those in my previous postings.

As for your comments on classless society, I almost wet myself Which class of people are paying for another class of people's mistakes right now? FF, their cronies, FG, property developers, bankers, they all control the means of production of this state. I don't. That is what separates me and you from them. They need us but thankfully we don't need them

The Waltzing Consumer

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

It is quite clear that you were attempting to defame and discredit the party. Also, I have few acquaintances who are members. But mostly it was the fact that you had nothing to back up your claims. Dirty politics.

SWP have a very well known reputation and what the poster said is nothing different to that well known and well published reputation. It may not be fair to tar all members of the SWP with the same brush, but you could argue the same for FF. Not every FF is a corrupt gombeen, but they do have the reputation and party members know that. The same goes for people in any party, so why would SWP be any different?

Is it dirty politics? Yes.

Is it wise for someone defending the SWP to try take the moral high road and condemn dirty politics? No. It is hilarious though

Micky Dolenz

Careful now.

Amhran Nua

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

It is quite clear that you were attempting to defame and discredit the party. Also, I have few acquaintances who are members. But mostly it was the fact that you had nothing to back up your claims. Dirty politics.

I have already stated my sources, and requested clarification. That you were unable to offer clarification because you just didn't know what you were talking about says plenty. At least LeixlipRed is making an effort, albeit one which seems to have backfired. As for dirty politics, setting up a slew of hydra organisations because people wouldn't otherwise touch you with a bargepole is about as dirty as it gets.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

So can we see the details and accounts then? Several kind offers? You have turned down ALL donations then?

Yes, all donations. The accounts amount to a few hundred I dropped on flyers myself, I suppose I could scan in the receipt. As soon as we start taking donations you can inspect them and expenditure on the website at your leisure. Its worrying that you find it so hard to believe, there really are some people trying to do good for the sake of doing good.

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Absolutely not. That is none of your business. I am not purporting to be representing a political party like you are. I am not asking for votes, or indeed donations.

How terribly unsociable.

LeixlipRed

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

SWP have a very well known reputation and what the poster said is nothing different to that well known and well published reputation. It may not be fair to tar all members of the SWP with the same brush, but you could argue the same for FF. Not every FF is a corrupt gombeen, but they do have the reputation and party members know that. The same goes for people in any party, so why would SWP be any different?

Is it dirty politics? Yes.

Is it wise for someone defending the SWP to try take the moral high road and condemn dirty politics? No. It is hilarious though

Which dirty politics do you refer to exactly? Because if you talk about taking bribes, selling our country in to slavery and all the regular corruption stuff then you're miles off. If you talk of what I think you mean which is actually doing something on the streets to bring about change then yes, we're guilty as charged. You're specific anti-swp agenda is tiresome. Did you come to a meeting once and no one liked you? It's ok, we won't judge. Boards=openness.

But know, just like the other chap, you know someone who knows someone who once went to dinner with a champagne socialist was it? I can't remember your direct quote, remind me

LeixlipRed

Amhran Nua wrote: »

As for dirty politics, setting up a slew of hydra organisations because people wouldn't otherwise touch you with a bargepole is about as dirty as it gets.

You'd swear we had set up seperate political entities and then tried to pretend we didn't hang out together.

People Before Profit:

Attempt by the SWP to form a left wing grouping which includes non-revolutionary socialists and leftists in a broad umbrella to create a mass movement. Matter of public record we're a member.

Righttowork:

Is a campaign run by the SWP. Again, public record.

ULA:

Alliance of SP and PBP. Public record again.

Anyway, I'm off. I've better things to do. Like watch tv. Enjoy the gulags boys :cool:

Amhran Nua

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I just answered that! What does a demo cost? Poster, leaflets, flags. I just referred to those in my previous postings.

As for your comments on classless society, I almost wet myself Which class of people are paying for another class of people's mistakes right now? FF, their cronies, FG, property developers, bankers, they all control the means of production of this state. I don't. That is what separates me and you from them. They need us but thankfully we don't need them

Eh you'll love this one:

# The possibility of recall referendums will be investigated.
# Legislation will be implemented to mandate that no relation to a sitting or previous public representative can run for office or be appointed to committees on the basis of that relationship. Here is a list of the family related politicians in the Dáil, including all major party political leaders. For a job as important as the leadership of the country, we need the best people, not the best connected.

So we're not in fact all that far apart on some things, probably a lot of things, there is an understanding out there of the damage being caused by entrenched concerns in Ireland. But you don't need to go all radical and "means of production" on the country to make it better. Not that the public would let you, no matter how much radicalisation is applied.