Barca show their true colours

Paparazzo

Barca fly over to support that club in Uzbekistan that's run by a dictator. Far from whiter than white

lordgoat

Warper wrote: »

Who really gives a fcuk in all fairness. The main problem I have is that it is only €25m a year for 6 years. They should have gotten more as they are the No. 1 brand in World football and also the No. 1 team in World football. I know it is currently the highest yearly sponsorship figure but wont be in a few years time as other clubs have €20m a year sponsorship as it is. Bad marketing fella there, should have been at least €30m a year for the privilege of being Barca's first sponsor.

See Qatar can only stone so much money out of their women each year, any more would be excessive. But ya, sure as long as no one is getting hurt what's the big deal?

dfx-

lordgoat wrote: »

See Qatar can only stone so much money out of their women each year, any more would be excessive. But ya, sure as long as no one is getting hurt what's the big deal?

Surely you're not naive enough to think that this deal or non-deal affects that..

Warper

lordgoat wrote: »

See Qatar can only stone so much money out of their women each year, any more would be excessive. But ya, sure as long as no one is getting hurt what's the big deal?

I disagree, I think they could get more money out of the non-nationals, gays and women. That is why I think Barca got a bad deal. If they can pay off FIFA for a WC, then Barca should have gotten way more than €25m a year. I still Barca were too easy on them.

lordgoat

dfx- wrote: »

Surely you're not naive enough to think that this deal or non-deal affects that..

Of course, not it was sarcasm aimed at the aimless post i quoted.

steo87

The Sparrow wrote: »

So basically Barcelona are just like every other club and willing to take money from anywhere, no matter how morally dubious

Are you serious?

As has already been mentioned numerous times in this thread, throughout their history they have never had a sponsor. The past few seasons they have sponsored a charity, Unicef, and actually paid them over a million Euro for this.

So, like a lot of teams currently, they are struggling with debt, and had no choice but to get a sponsor. At least they had the decency to do that for Unicef. It's a far cry from the likes of Man Utd, who it seems would sell their jersey to anyone so long as the money is plenty.

And whatever about Qatar, leave that political shít out of football - it does no good.

steo87

Paparazzo wrote: »

Barca fly over to support that club in Uzbekistan that's run by a dictator. Far from whiter than white

What's this? Interesting...care to elaborate?

Pro. F

Warper wrote: »

Who really gives a fcuk in all fairness.

You did in your previous three posts in this thread. Remember? When you were trying to argue that Barca aren't being hypocritical? I wonder why you've all of a sudden stopped caring...

dfx- wrote: »

The bit in bold depends on your point of view. The guts of the thread is not making interesting points but digging at Barcelona from a preset opinion, right from the nature of the title. It's only missing a Messi or Ronaldo argument.

There have been plenty of valid points and interesting arguments put forward in this thread. You're just trying to ignore them by generalising with bulshít like ''the guts of the thread''.

Dolph Starbeam

steo87 wrote: »

What's this? Interesting...care to elaborate?

I'm guessing he's talking about this http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/15/bunyodkor-uzbekistan-rivaldo-craig-murray

Pro. F

steo87 wrote: »

And whatever about Qatar, leave that political shít out of football - it does no good.

You yourself are praising Barca for supporting UNICEF, so you've already made a moral judgement on that. Demanding that others don't make a moral judgement about something else that Barca is doing is silly.

steo87

Pro. F wrote: »

You yourself are praising Barca for supporting UNICEF, so you've already made a moral judgement on that. Demanding that others don't make a moral judgement about something else that Barca is doing is silly.

I see what you mean, but I'm talking about charity not politics.
There is a big difference.

Some clubs, for example Celtic, have been founded based on charity and improving the lives of its supporters.

Do you see what I mean?

dfx-

Pro. F wrote: »

There have been plenty of valid points and interesting arguments put forward in this thread. You're just trying to ignore them by generalising with bulshít like ''the guts of the thread''.

There's nothing interesting about a club getting a shirt sponsor.

Pro. F

steo87 wrote: »

I see what you mean, but I'm talking about charity not politics.
There is a big difference.

Some clubs, for example Celtic, have been founded based on charity and improving the lives of its supporters.

Do you see what I mean?

I know what you mean. The term politics can easily confuse the issue though.

You're saying that Barca's support of UNICEF is a good thing. That's a moral judgement by you. Some people are saying that Barca promoting Qatar runs contrary to that and is hypocritical.

Pro. F

dfx- wrote: »

There's nothing interesting about a club getting a shirt sponsor.

Then why did you enter the discussion?

dfx-

I find the reasons for the discussion revealing, if not the discussion itself.

Pro. F

dfx- wrote: »

I find the reasons for the discussion revealing, if not the discussion itself.

But you took part in the discussion itself

dfx- wrote: »

Unicef should be more than happy with Barcelona paying them to have Unicef on their shirt and be prominent forever more in some of the greatest moments in the football club with the achievements of the past 5 years on a world scale.

You found it interesting enough to post your opinion on it there. You obviously think that Barca aren't being hypocritical and you were interested enough to post about it. But now you're just trying to pretend that anyone with a different view hates Barca. Pathetic.

dfx-

It's a comment on the exposure Unicef have received. It's no comment whether the Qatar Foundation or indeed Unicef is a good or bad thing for Barcelona. At no point have I invoked how good Unicef are or how bad Qatar is to try to score a point.

Pro. F

dfx- wrote: »

It's a comment on the exposure Unicef have received. It's no comment whether the Qatar Foundation or indeed Unicef is a good or bad thing for Barcelona. At no point have I invoked how good Unicef are or how bad Qatar is to try to score a point.

I maintain Barcelona swapping sponsors is of no interest.

It's a comment posted in the context of a thread where people were criticising Barca for hypocrisy. You were obviously trying to portray the situation as if Barca have only done good.

I don't know what you're talking about with the point scoring bit.

Of course you maintain that the new sponsor is of no interest. Because now you want to just ignore the hypocrisy of the new deal and try to pretend that all arguments that highlight it are irrational.

dfx-

My posts really should be taken at face value and with no interpretations being foisted upon them.

I said Unicef did well out of being the shirt sponsor of Barcelona, nothing more and I'm sure the Qatar Foundation will as well.

Opinions on whether Unicef are all good and Qatar all bad are of no consequence.

Pro. F

dfx- wrote: »

My posts really should be taken at face value and with no interpretations being foisted upon them.

I said Unicef did well out of being the shirt sponsor of Barcelona, nothing more and I'm sure the Qatar Foundation will as well.

Opinions on whether Unicef are all good and Qatar all bad are of no consequence.

lol Oh OK, I must have misunderstood what that post was about then. I suppose we'll never know whether you think Barca are being hypocritical or not. Watching you dodging the issue of Barca's hypocrisy like you are is funny though.

You say that you are sure the Qatar Foundation will do well out of this sponsorship. How is that exactly? Let's not forget that they are spending €30m a year on this sponsorship. Compare that to the $35m entire amount that they have fund raised for their overseas charity work (the only actual real charity work that they do). The people who do well out of this sponsorship are the Qatari royal family who get some positive exposure for their country and help cover up the human rights abuses that they have going on there.

lordgoat

Pro. F wrote: »

You say that you are sure the Qatar Foundation will do well out of this sponsorship. How is that exactly? Let's not forget that they are spending €30m a year on this sponsorship. Compare that to the $35m entire amount that they have fund raised for their overseas charity work (the only actual real charity work that they do). The people who do well out of this sponsorship are the Qatari royal family who get some positive exposure for their country and help cover up the human rights abuses that they have going on there.

This.

dfx-

Pro. F wrote: »

The people who do well out of this sponsorship are the Qatari royal family who get some positive exposure for their country and help cover up the human rights abuses that they have going on there.

I don't doubt that's the case.

How Qatar use the exposure is up to them, just as how Unicef used the exposure and donations is up to them. Neither has anything to do with Barcelona. Nike may use very cheap labour in the Far East, should they change gear supplier? Or has that nothing to do with Barcelona either?

lordgoat

dfx- wrote: »

I don't doubt that's the case.

How Qatar use the exposure is up to them, just as how Unicef used the exposure and donations is up to them. Neither has anything to do with Barcelona. Nike may use very cheap labour in the Far East, should they change gear supplier? Or has that nothing to do with Barcelona either?

Neither has anything to do with Barca yet both of their logos will be on the jersey.

Ignorance is bliss eh ? Not saying Nike are the best company eva but over the past 5 years they have made huge strides to clean up their act. More so than adidas or some others afaik.


http://www.clrlabor.org/alerts/1997/nikey001.html


Trying actually looking up a fact or two before making another innane post. You're beginning to look like you're just being pig headed and not listening to any reasoned argument being brought before you.

Third_Echelon

I actually decided to read through the last 10 pages to see what hilarity had ensued... I probably shouldn't have as it backed up my theory that the boards soccer forum has deteriorated so much recently....

What a stupid thread this is. The Barca-hating is hilarious... The old Irish thing of knocking someone or something as they are brilliant at something or have more money etc. Bunch of begrudgers....

If you looked at every sponsorship deal in sport, I'm sure there are questionable people bankrolling these sponsorships over the years... Pretty much every major corporation has breached human rights laws in various 2nd and 3rd world countries. Various sports manufacturers having kids stitching footballs in sweat shops for example... My god Barca are really going to hell now! Nike and Qatar Foundation on their shirt! :rolleyes:

If everyone had so much social and moral responsibility and was outraged by these types of things, you wouldn't be able to buy about 50% of the products that you buy on a weekly basis... those nice cheap clothes you buy in various large retail shops... there is a reason they are cheap.

Before slating a club such as Barcelona for taking a sponsorship deal from an organisation from a country that has dubious human rights records, perhaps you should have a think what you buy personally day to day and how you are pedalling cheap labour/encouraging human rights to be breached in developing nations...

Probably a bit too much of a political discussion for this forum, but what the heck...

Anyway.... I love watching them play football. They are the best side to watch by a distance.

Pro. F

dfx- wrote: »

I don't doubt that's the case.

How Qatar use the exposure is up to them, just as how Unicef used the exposure and donations is up to them. Neither has anything to do with Barcelona. Nike may use very cheap labour in the Far East, should they change gear supplier? Or has that nothing to do with Barcelona either?

Of course they are to do with Barcelona.

If Nike were using cheap labour or something like that then how would that make Barca's Qatar promotion any less hypocritical? As I was saying to Warper, I think it was, if you can point out some additional hypocrisies then fire ahead - it doesn't make this Qatar hypocrisy any less of a one.

I thought you weren't interested in discussing Barca's shirt sponsor anyway? Or was that just when you couldn't think of a proper counter argument?

dfx-

Third_Echelon wrote: »

I actually decided to read through the last 10 pages to see what hilarity had ensued... I probably shouldn't have as it backed up my theory that the boards soccer forum has deteriorated so much recently....

What a stupid thread this is. The Barca-hating is hilarious... The old Irish thing of knocking someone or something as they are brilliant at something or have more money etc. Bunch of begrudgers....

If you looked at every sponsorship deal in sport, I'm sure there are questionable people bankrolling these sponsorships over the years... Pretty much every major corporation has breached human rights laws in various 2nd and 3rd world countries. Various sports manufacturers having kids stitching footballs in sweat shops for example... My god Barca are really going to hell now! Nike and Qatar Foundation on their shirt! :rolleyes:

If everyone had so much social and moral responsibility and was outraged by these types of things, you wouldn't be able to buy about 50% of the products that you buy on a weekly basis... those nice cheap clothes you buy in various large retail shops... there is a reason they are cheap.

Before slating a club such as Barcelona for taking a sponsorship deal from an organisation from a country that has dubious human rights records, perhaps you should have a think what you buy personally day to day and how you are pedalling cheap labour/encouraging human rights to be breached in developing nations...

Probably a bit too much of a political discussion for this forum, but what the heck...

Anyway.... I love watching them play football. They are the best side to watch by a distance.

[In lieu of multiple thanks]QFT[/In lieu of multiple thanks]

As ONYD said on the first page, people are digging for dirt where there is none.

lordgoat

Third_Echelon wrote: »

If everyone had so much social and moral responsibility and was outraged by these types of things, you wouldn't be able to buy about 50% of the products that you buy on a weekly basis... those nice cheap clothes you buy in various large retail shops... there is a reason they are cheap.

Before slating a club such as Barcelona for taking a sponsorship deal from an organisation from a country that has dubious human rights records, perhaps you should have a think what you buy personally day to day and how you are pedalling cheap labour/encouraging human rights to be breached in developing nations...

Anyway.... I love watching them play football. They are the best side to watch by a distance.

I agree with the above and it's how i choose to do things on a day to day basis. It's how many of my friends choose to do things as well. I don't own any nike product and i'm not looking for praise. I think there are probably a few other posters on here in the same boat. Again this has very little to do with the topic being debated but again well done on trying to twist things away from the main issue.

The point that is being made time and time again on here is the conflict between two sponsors - irrespective of what team they are sponsoring.

I'd suggest you re-read what you have done as you've missed the main point being made if that post is your best effort.

lordgoat

dfx- wrote: »

[In lieu of multiple thanks]QFT[/In lieu of multiple thanks]

As ONYD said on the first page, people are digging for dirt where there is none.

Double LOL

the dirt will be as plain as the logos on their shirt.

Pro. F

Third_Echelon wrote: »

I actually decided to read through the last 10 pages to see what hilarity had ensued... I probably shouldn't have as it backed up my theory that the boards soccer forum has deteriorated so much recently....

What a stupid thread this is. The Barca-hating is hilarious... The old Irish thing of knocking someone or something as they are brilliant at something or have more money etc. Bunch of begrudgers....

As I've said before, I like Barcelona. How does that fit into your begrudger theory?

Third_Echelon wrote: »

If you looked at every sponsorship deal in sport, I'm sure there are questionable people bankrolling these sponsorships over the years... Pretty much every major corporation has breached human rights laws in various 2nd and 3rd world countries. Various sports manufacturers having kids stitching footballs in sweat shops for example... My god Barca are really going to hell now! Nike and Qatar Foundation on their shirt! :rolleyes:

If everyone had so much social and moral responsibility and was outraged by these types of things, you wouldn't be able to buy about 50% of the products that you buy on a weekly basis... those nice cheap clothes you buy in various large retail shops... there is a reason they are cheap.

Before slating a club such as Barcelona for taking a sponsorship deal from an organisation from a country that has dubious human rights records, perhaps you should have a think what you buy personally day to day and how you are pedalling cheap labour/encouraging human rights to be breached in developing nations...

Probably a bit too much of a political discussion for this forum, but what the heck...

Anyway.... I love watching them play football. They are the best side to watch by a distance.

You think I don't shop ethically? You don't know anything about me. Nor anybody else on this thread. Fwiw I do shop ethically. Maybe if I was to support UNICEF and you were to examine all my actions you could find some contradictions in my choices. But it's easier for a large company to get their house in order. I've worked with a large NGO and seen how, when there's a will, it's possible to run a large company on a consistent ethical basis. Barca clearly lack that will.

If you want to point out the unethical actions of other corporations go ahead. As has been said countless times it doesn't make what Barca are doing any less hypocritical.

So, are you denying that Barca's association with UNICEF is hypocritical considering who they take money from?
Are you denying that Bacra's promotion of states that oppress civil rights (Qatar and Uzbekistan) runs contrary to what they represented during the Franco years? (I'd be especially interested to hear feedback on the second one, maybe it's not as simple as it seems)

Third_Echelon

I wasn't questioning anyone in particular's morals or judgements. I made my comment based on the general feeling across multiple posts and various different posters...

Lordgoat, I hadn't missed the point about the conflict. My point was coming from a completely different angle..