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ISSF officially bans Camo...
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10-12-2010 7:10pm#1...and plaid, and short-shorts, and daisy dukes, and sandals, and ... well, you read the list:7. Prohibited clothing items for competitions and award ceremonies include blue jeans, jeans or similar trousers in non-sporting colors, camouflage clothing, sleeveless T-shirts, shorts that are too short, ragged cut-off shorts, all types of sandals, trousers with patches or holes as well as shirts or trousers with non-sporting or inappropriate messages (See Rule 6.10.1). Sporting colors should be national uniform colors. If national colors are not worn, non-sporting colors that should be avoided are camouflage, plaids, khaki, olive or brown.
This is version 3 of the ISSF Dress Code, which will apply to all competitors at ISSF-sanctioned (ie. International) events (eg. World Cups, Continental Championships, World Championships and the Olympic Games).
Have to say, I don't think I'll miss the sight of 50-year-old men in plaid daisy dukes and open-toed jesus sandals
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »It's the main reason I don't compete any more, I remember watching a grown man wear a pink leather jacket with belts on a par with a gimp suit.
Yet Combats not allowed?
Let them have their Gimp suits??
Yeah, because your combats don't protect against chronic back injuries and nerve damage.0 -
It wasn't me! wrote: »Yeah, because your combats don't protect against chronic back injuries and nerve damage.
Neither do the suits, ergo exercises do! As an ergo trainer I could show you if you want
The Jacket is to keep one rigid and restrict (reduce) movement from breathing......
It takes more disicipline to keep rigid without the aid of a Gimp Jacket:p
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »Neither do the suits, ergo exercises do! As an ergo trainer I could show you if you want
The Jacket is to keep one rigid and restrict (reduce) movement from breathing......
It takes more disicipline to keep rigid without the aid of a Gimp Jacket:p
Whilst donning ones's favourite pair of DPM's
Darlin', I do this stuff all day. I know what the jackets and trousers do. You can't do this stuff without it without developing chronic injuries and nerve damage. Trust the people who actually do compete and understand the gear on this. You're more than welcome to cripple yourself trying, but it's not possible and decades of investigation have taught us that. For the love of all that is remotely reasonable, stop talking about a sport you know feck all about.0 -
It wasn't me! wrote: »Darlin', I do this stuff all day. I know what the jackets and trousers do. You can't do this stuff without it without developing chronic injuries and nerve damage. Trust the people who actually do compete and understand the gear on this. You're more than welcome to cripple yourself trying, but it's not possible and decades of investigation have taught us that. For the love of all that is remotely reasonable, stop talking about a sport you know feck all about.
I have been an Ergo assessor for 6 years my boy.
The sport left there room when a dress code was introduced, even sparks has laughed at it, can't wear sandals?:eek::eek:
If one likes wearing the jacket, well; T'is up to the wearer
If one thinks that wearing it has anything to do with posture then one is mistaken...
If one wanted to be ergonomic; one would never cant ones wrist in under the rifle as a support, as it is an un-ergonomic position.
In fact one would not stand in a ISSF position as it goes against all ergo
stances.
I was shooting Comp's when others were doing the Junior cert IWM, I found the rules and regs so "poncey" for lack of a better word; I ceased
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »I have been an Ergo assessor for 6 years my boy.
The sport left there room when a dress code was introduced, even sparks has laughed at it, can't wear sandals?:eek::eek:
If one likes wearing the jacket, well; T'is up to the wearer
If one thinks that wearing it has anything to do with posture then one is mistaken...
If one wanted to be ergonomic; one would never cant ones wrist in under the rifle as a support, as it is an un-ergonomic position.
In fact one would not stand in a ISSF position as it goes against all ergo
stances.
I was shooting Comp's when others were doing the Junior cert IWM, I found the rules and regs so "poncey" for lack of a better word; I ceased
I am so glad, as I love my DPM's for comfort reasons if none else
I really don't care what you do. However, when you claim the jackets and trousers don't prevent long term health problems, you're wrong, and there are plenty of people who can tell you that. Hell, Sparks has a chunk of his leg he can't feel due to nerve damage he did from improper training without the gear. I'm not a fan of the dress code (Hate tracksuit bottoms with a passion) but the idea that it stops it being a sport? That's bloody ridiculous. It's really not up to the wearer, unless they don't intend walking through their forties, and it is absolutely crucial to avoid that. Yes, you shoot better with the gear, but its function is to prevent injury. By the way, I have nothing against recreational shooters, but when people who constantly state that they're not competition shooters try and tell people who shoot competitively all the time what their gear is for and how to do their sport properly? That pisses me off, because it's ridiculous.0 -
It wasn't me! wrote: »I really don't care what you do. However, when you claim the jackets and trousers don't prevent long term health problems, you're wrong, and there are plenty of people who can tell you that. Hell, Sparks has a chunk of his leg he can't feel due to nerve damage he did from improper training without the gear. I'm not a fan of the dress code (Hate tracksuit bottoms with a passion) but the idea that it stops it being a sport? That's bloody ridiculous. It's really not up to the wearer, unless they don't intend walking through their forties, and it is absolutely crucial to avoid that. Yes, you shoot better with the gear, but its function is to prevent injury. By the way, I have nothing against recreational shooters, but when people who constantly state that they're not competition shooters try and tell people who shoot competitively all the time what their gear is for and how to do their sport properly? That pisses me off, because it's ridiculous.
Look.
If someone has back problems, Spine problems, leg problems it is from posture.
As I said IWM, I used to shoot comps, on a reg basis, I lost interest as a result of all the POMP that went with it.
I am constantly asked to go FTR/F-Open as I have a reasonable shot at reasonable distances, however; having to WEAR what some lad/Lassie told me?
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »Look.
If someone has back problems, Spine problems, leg problems it is from posture.
As I said IWM, I used to shoot comps, on a reg basis, I lost interest as a result of all the POMP that went with it.
I am constantly asked to go FTR/F-Open as I have a reasonable shot at reasonable distances, however; having to WEAR what some lad/Lassie told me?
No way José
No, it's from not having enough support in position. There's no way to stand that offers the degree of support and stability you require without loading the spinal column. This requires protective and supportive kit to avoid developing problems. If it could be done otherwise, someone would be doing it. And yet, they're not.0 -
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »I am constantly asked to go FTR/F-Open as I have a reasonable shot at reasonable distances however; having to WEAR what some lad/Lassie told me?
No way José
Not for FTR or F-Open you don't. No clothing requirements at all. Other than you wear some that is.Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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Firstly Tack, seriously,
You're seriously advising, as an 'Ergo assessor' (isn't that the guy who says whether your chair is at the right height for your monitor?) that you shouldn't need protective gear to spend up to four hours bearing an offset asymmetric load of up to 8.5kg on a spine that's experiencing torsion in three axes simultaneously?
On behalf of the portion of my right leg which I can no longer feel (an injury I'm told is permanent), I'm going to tell you this - don't go around advising people badly on stuff that they can get hurt by if they do it improperly.
As to the rest, this is the kit you wear off the firing line, not under the suit. Under the suit tends to be underarmour or some similar running baselayer. And no, I don't particularly approve of it, not because I think it's daft, but because it's part of the ISSF committee's drive to make the sport more appealing to TV and I think they're going about that drive in the wrong way.
As to those who think it's easy, if it's so easy, tell us how many medals you've won for Ireland. Until then, well, you're basicly playing the role of the guy in the corner holding up the bar after his sixth pint of the evening who's telling his imaginary friend of how he's solved all the world's political problems just by using the power of cheese.0 -
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Firstly Tack, seriously,
You're seriously advising, as an 'Ergo assessor' (isn't that the guy who says whether your chair is at the right height for your monitor?) that you shouldn't need protective gear to spend up to four hours bearing an offset asymmetric load of up to 8.5kg on a spine that's experiencing torsion in three axes simultaneously?
On behalf of the portion of my right leg which I can no longer feel (an injury I'm told is permanent), I'm going to tell you this - don't go around advising people badly on stuff that they can get hurt by if they do it improperly.
As to the rest, this is the kit you wear off the firing line, not under the suit. Under the suit tends to be underarmour or some similar running baselayer. And no, I don't particularly approve of it, not because I think it's daft, but because it's part of the ISSF committee's drive to make the sport more appealing to TV and I think they're going about that drive in the wrong way.
As to those who think it's easy, if it's so easy, tell us how many medals you've won for Ireland. Until then, well, you're basicly playing the role of the guy in the corner holding up the bar after his sixth pint of the evening who's telling his imaginary friend of how he's solved all the world's political problems just by using the power of cheese.
Sparks my good man, STANDING FOR HOURS is poor ergo, So if you want to complain about a sore back afterwards; well don't do it!
Either that or; go to the gym, build up muscles that can easily support the weight, go on a strict diet (my friend is a sports dietitian) and do ergo stretching exercises.
Either that or go FTR or F Class and let it all hang out, Whilst wearing Jeans!0 -
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First of all, that's not what "ergo" means. The word has a meaning, and that ain't it.Tackleberrywho wrote: »Sparks my good man, STANDING FOR HOURS is poor ergo, So if you want to complain about a sore back afterwards; well don't do it!
Secondly, it's not poor anything if done properly and with the correct equipment. Same as every sport from archery to weightlifting.
The best shooters in the world can't do this for as long as needed without supporting equipment. Not in ISSF, not in NRA highpower, not in pretty much any discipline.Either that or; go to the gym, build up muscles that can easily support the weight, go on a strict diet (my friend is a sports dietitian) and do
You don't know better than them tack.ergo stretching exercises.
The only reason there's no ISSF-style jacket in class F is because it's shot from a rest. In fullbore TR, shot with slings, there is such a jacket - in fact the TR and NRA highpower jackets provide so much support that you couldn't use them in ISSF matches.Either that or go FTR or F Class and let it all hang out, Whilst wearing Jeans!0 -
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It wasn't me! wrote: »Great. We've gone from "The jacket/trousers isn't there to protect you and you should just go to the gym" to "Sure, you shouldn't even do standing anyway." Lovely. :rolleyes:
You been a young lad should be the guy in the middle, with a gut sticking out on the "older fellas" good posture is almost impossible, by standing for long periods without damaging the back. (especially in an alien posture developed to shoot well)
So if one wishes to shoot ISSF go to the gym, go on a diet, practice good exercises for ergo stretching and wear a silly jacket and what ever else you are allowed to wear to look respectable!0 -
Tackleberrywho wrote: »
You been a young lad should be the guy in the middle, with a gut sticking out on the "older fellas" good posture is almost impossible, by standing for long periods without damaging the back. (especially in an alien posture developed to shoot well)
So if one wishes to shoot ISSF go to the gym, go on a diet, practice good exercises for ergo stretching and wear a silly jacket and what ever else you are allowed to wear to look respectable!
Yeah, and none of that has anything to do with the question at hand, but thanks.0 -
Back in my hippy days I used to wear an Afghan coat, Tibetan boots and a Nepalese hat for any out door shoot, I also had a big flower on the stock of my Anschutz. Maybe future leaders of the ISSF saw me and took fright! Still think it looked better than the Gimp suits 0
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