Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Blowfish · 19-10-2011 12:46pm

hypermuse wrote: »

tbf, there is no point at the start of game level 1 or 2 and coming up against a guy who is level 20/30... you'd be slaughtered.

I'd disagree with this. The whole point of leveling is that it is a representation of you getting stronger relative to the world around you.

There's nothing more satisfying than going up against someone early and getting destroyed, then leveling up somewhere else instead, before coming back and being able to defeat the person you couldn't come near to touching before.

Without that, leveling progression feels 'flat' as the monsters are always the same power relative to yourself.

Kiith · 19-10-2011 12:51pm

I'd agree with Blowfish. Some of my best moments in games is getting my ass handed to me and running away, only to come back later and hammer them. It was something that Oblivion missed, and was corrected by mods.

keane2097 · 19-10-2011 12:54pm

Kiith wrote: »

I'd agree with Blowfish. Some of my best moments in games is getting my ass handed to me and running away, only to come back later and hammer them. It was something that Oblivion missed, and was corrected by mods.

Midgar Serpent in Final Fantasy VII.

/argument

hypermuse · 19-10-2011 12:58pm

Blowfish wrote: »

I'd disagree with this. The whole point of leveling is that it is a representation of you getting stronger relative to the world around you.

There's nothing more satisfying than going up against someone early and getting destroyed, then leveling up somewhere else instead, before coming back and being able to defeat the person you couldn't come near to touching before.

Without that, leveling progression feels 'flat' as the monsters are always the same power relative to yourself.

I agree completely.. I'd much rather best an enemy that was superior to me than fight weaker foes!

I just thought that's how they are approaching it in Skyrim.. I would much prefer it to be the way you described.. With the ability to type notes on your map its great to easily be able to come back to an previous enemy that was too overpowering and try beat him again once you are better trained/equipped!

joe123 · 19-10-2011 1:15pm

Blowfish wrote: »

I'd disagree with this. The whole point of leveling is that it is a representation of you getting stronger relative to the world around you.

There's nothing more satisfying than going up against someone early and getting destroyed, then leveling up somewhere else instead, before coming back and being able to defeat the person you couldn't come near to touching before.

Without that, leveling progression feels 'flat' as the monsters are always the same power relative to yourself.

Exactly. For example...

Local in village: ohh you don't want to go down to cave town it's full of crazy ass vampire people. They are so strong but there is legend of the rarest swords ever there too!

*wander down at level 1....nearly dead run away run away.*

I really want that sword though.

*wander down at level 10, oh Jesus nearly dead but I sneak and stealth my way through, nab the sword run for my life. Mission accomplished = great sense of achievement*

*go level up for a bit with my new really powerful sword, return to cave town at level 22 and kill everyone in sight*

Now compare that too this oblivion style.

*wander down at level 1, have a good aul fight, take the legendary sword....hmmm doesn't seem that powerful. Hang on there's a regular auld bandit il use my new sword. Hmmm that fight seemed the same as my last fight and what's this he's got the same rare armour I found on the way to the cave!?*

Ah well il level up and go back to cave town and wipe them all out because you know I've levelled up loads sense then.

*wander down to cave town level 22, what the **** is this **** that fight was as tough as being level one. And everyone is wearing rare glass armour. Where is my sense of progression. **** this *****

The end.

Auvers · 19-10-2011 1:47pm

amen Joe & Blowfish

too much pandering to the casual gamer on all platforms in recent years

Sephiroth_dude · 19-10-2011 1:48pm

3 weeks friday is it?

mewso · 19-10-2011 4:05pm

Auvers wrote: »

amen Joe & Blowfish

too much pandering to the casual gamer on all platforms in recent years

Pretty much applies to most modern RPGs. I can very easily acknowledge Oblivion's flaws. Heck I can even get a kick out of visiting rpgcodex.net and reading how they hate every single commercial RPG ever released. The reality is I thoroughly enjoyed Oblivion despite all of this. Hopefully Skyrim improves things but thankfully it will be fully modable so we'll have alternatives to look forward to. I hope their Radiant AI is a tad better too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsJGlYmKoyI

grizzly · 19-10-2011 4:15pm

Kiith wrote: »

Each area has a level range. So the Cave of Difficulty is between lvl4-9. If you are lvl1, the cave is lvl4. If you are lvl4, the cave is lvl4. If you are lvl9, the cave is lvl9. If you are lvl85, the cave is lvl9.

Can anyone find a source that discusses this? I'd be interested to know exactly how it works. I soured on Oblivion due to this.

Auvers · 19-10-2011 4:50pm

spaeking of classic RPGs does anyone remember this

Sephiroth_dude · 19-10-2011 5:16pm

Auvers wrote: »

spaeking of classic RPGs does anyone remember this

Now thats oldschool!

Blowfish · 19-10-2011 5:27pm

Auvers wrote: »

spaeking of classic RPGs does anyone remember this

I loved that game. That and Eye of the Beholder started me off on RPG's. It's odd thinking about it now, but my PC actually struggled with the graphics of them. Any animations took about twice as long to display as they should have.

Sephiroth_dude · 20-10-2011 5:31pm

http://www.gamesradar.com/63-amazing-things-we-saw-and-did-skyrim/?page=1

Also on the Elder scrolls twitter it say there's gonna be new footage tonight I would think.

ElderScrolls The Elder Scrolls
Get ready for new Skyrim footage tomorrow night on GTTV with @geoffkeighley bit.ly/oyB1Ie

Nodferatu · 20-10-2011 6:15pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibtmEA40a9o

Kiith · 20-10-2011 6:33pm

Now if that was in the Collectors Edition i'd consider spending €129 for it

titan18 · 20-10-2011 6:44pm

Nodferatu wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibtmEA40a9o

I want that almost as much as I want the actual game

Overheal · 20-10-2011 6:57pm

I saw a negative balance on my store credit card and a few gift certificates in my account ready to expire. So I had to do it, I pre-ordered.

Tried to play Oblivion last night but the walking is buggy thanks to some conflict between my 360 controller and the keyboard. Sadface, Im too lazy to debug the problem. Fallout works good though, I'm finally starting to chip into that. An extreme lack of bullets is crippling me though.

grizzly · 20-10-2011 7:03pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

http://www.gamesradar.com/63-amazing-things-we-saw-and-did-skyrim/?page=1

Also on the Elder scrolls twitter it say there's gonna be new footage tonight I would think.

ElderScrolls The Elder Scrolls
Get ready for new Skyrim footage tomorrow night on GTTV with @geoffkeighley bit.ly/oyB1Ie

"• We found Nirnroot. Hey! Nirnroot is back!"

YES! Nirnroot is confirmed!!

Krusader · 20-10-2011 7:22pm

Picked up Oblivion GOTY edition in Xtra Vision yesterday for a fiver

Nodferatu · 20-10-2011 7:29pm

Crosáidí wrote: »

Picked up Oblivion GOTY edition in Xtra Vision yesterday for a fiver

thats for nothing even though its an old game. went to trade in my copy of oblivion before and they offered me €3 for it

Dyr · 20-10-2011 7:37pm

Overheal wrote: »

I saw a negative balance on my store credit card and a few gift certificates in my account ready to expire. So I had to do it, I pre-ordered.

Tried to play Oblivion last night but the walking is buggy thanks to some conflict between my 360 controller and the keyboard. Sadface, Im too lazy to debug the problem. Fallout works good though, I'm finally starting to chip into that. An extreme lack of bullets is crippling me though.

I've had that since day one with oblivion because I play flight sims so I always have joysticks attaced to the PC. theres an ini file attached to your profile that has a value for the joytsick that you need to change, google it ya lazy hoor

Overheal · 20-10-2011 10:19pm

Bambi wrote: »

I've had that since day one with oblivion because I play flight sims so I always have joysticks attaced to the PC. theres an ini file attached to your profile that has a value for the joytsick that you need to change, google it ya lazy hoor

ugh.... isnt there just like a console command i can pop into oblivion? ini hacking is so 2004.

Nodferatu · 21-10-2011 8:10am

new skyrim video and footage

http://www.spike.com/full-episodes/nsvww8/gttv-skyrim-season-4-ep-409

Kiith · 21-10-2011 9:11am

Nodferatu wrote: »

new skyrim video and footage

http://www.spike.com/full-episodes/nsvww8/gttv-skyrim-season-4-ep-409

That's not new, its the footage from April

mewso · 21-10-2011 9:38am

Nodferatu wrote: »

new skyrim video and footage

http://www.spike.com/full-episodes/nsvww8/gttv-skyrim-season-4-ep-409

Nothing really there bar Todd Howard saying that they always wanted to do Skyrim (really?) and how rugged the landscape is. It makes me wonder why they think gamers in general have any interest in these inanities.

Sephiroth_dude · 21-10-2011 10:35am

Well that was disapointing.........still 3 weeks to go

Kiith · 21-10-2011 10:47am

The link above is for the GTTV from April. The one from last night is below. I can't see it though, as it's not available in my location for some reason.

http://www.spike.com/full-episodes/nxmw15/gttv-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-season-5-ep-503

Awful Youtube quality recording of it, if anyone else can't access it. Not sure if there's more, as it's the only one i could find.