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WikiLeaks & Sinn Fein

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    #452
    Winty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    danbohan wrote: »
    mallons views he disagreed with related to democracy probably , ken maginis is an ex major in udr which in case you forgotten was involved in many murders of nationalists ,

    I agree that the UDR were a tool of the unionist majority and killed and maimed innocent people but was Ken Maginnis involved in any specific case.

    I know Ken Maginns through his work with Autism NI and UK as well as the Republic Autism network.


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    #453
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    1: That the IRA are the kingpins in the Irish drugs trade.
    Please link to the posts making that allegation.


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    #454
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Winty wrote: »
    I agree that the UDR were a tool of the unionist majority and killed and maimed innocent people but was Ken Maginnis involved in any specific case.

    I know Ken Maginns through his work with Autism NI and UK as well as the Republic Autism network.
    Winty, you forget that there is no good Unionist. Similarly, anybody in the British army desevers to be murdered for...some reason I'm a bit vague on. Mussolini seems to think it is reasonable that one of the posters here, a community worker, has to check under his car every day in case someone is trying to murder him..."he made his choice" I believe was the phrase used.


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    #455
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Lonesome Boatman wrote: »
    None.

    Out of tens of thousands of years of jail time handed down since 1969? Funny that, for an organisation allegedly up to its neck in drugs.


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    #456
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Winty, you forget that there is no good Unionist. Similarly, anybody in the British army desevers to be murdered for...some reason I'm a bit vague on. Mussolini seems to think it is reasonable that one of the posters here, a community worker, has to check under his car every day in case someone is trying to murder him..."he made his choice" I believe was the phrase used.
    He knew what he was getting in to in fairness, if he wanted to avoid that crap he neednt have joined the BA.


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    #457
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Winty, you forget that there is no good Unionist. Similarly, anybody in the British army desevers to be murdered for...some reason I'm a bit vague on. Mussolini seems to think it is reasonable that one of the posters here, a community worker, has to check under his car every day in case someone is trying to murder him..."he made his choice" I believe was the phrase used.

    Now you are just being nasty. Mussolini offered no opinion on the rights and wrongs of Junder having to take precautions, merely pointed out that he walked into that situation with his eyes open. He was fully aware that he might be targetted over his choice. Behave yourself.


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    #458
    danbohan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭danbohan


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Winty, you forget that there is no good Unionist. Similarly, anybody in the British army desevers to be murdered for...some reason I'm a bit vague on. Mussolini seems to think it is reasonable that one of the posters here, a community worker, has to check under his car every day in case someone is trying to murder him..."he made his choice" I believe was the phrase used.

    perhaps if you had spent some time in northern ireland as a nationalist under a unionist administration pre 1970 your love of unionists might not be as strong as it is now , the british army has a nasty habit of murdering irish people , has done so for 100s of years but of course we are supposed to forget or in your case rewrite history


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    #459
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    danbohan wrote: »
    what about killing innocent people in Afghanistan keith your grand with that ?
    Not that i care too much about the **** hole which is Afganistan, but killing innocent people is wrong.


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    #460
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    danbohan wrote: »
    perhaps if you had spent some time in northern ireland as a nationalist under a unionist administration pre 1970 your love of unionists might not be as strong as it is now , the british army has a nasty habit of murdering irish people , has done so for 100s of years but of course we are supposed to forget or in your case rewrite history
    The conflict is over dan. Why do i keep hearing this? The conflict in terms of violence on the police and so on should stop because there is a peace process. The process is to aim for politics and peace.


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    #461
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    danbohan wrote: »
    perhaps if you had spent some time in northern ireland as a nationalist under a unionist administration pre 1970 your love of unionists might not be as strong as it is now , the british army has a nasty habit of murdering irish people , has done so for 100s of years but of course we are supposed to forget or in your case rewrite history
    I only ever met a couple of Northern Protestants, and they were nice people. I'm not buying the 'they are all bad' narrative that lurks jsut below the skin of many Shinners.

    Edit: Would you please cite an example of me re-writing history? I don't expect you will be able to, but I have to challenge that sort of nonsense.


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    #462
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Not quite. They weren't allowed carry out operations in Wales or Scotland.
    Err, there is only England left on the mainland UK.

    Yes, mainland UK BTW, as the IRA didn't carry out attacks on these islands outside of the UK mainland is appropriate.


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    #463
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    danbohan wrote: »
    fred is a refugee here , his heart is on the '' mainland'' , please excuse

    Please don't speak on my behalf, especially when you can't get your facts right.


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    #464
    Lonesome Boatman
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Lonesome Boatman


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I only ever met a couple of Northern Protestants, and they were nice people. I'm not buying the 'they are all bad' narrative that lurks jsut below the skin of many Shinners.

    Edit: Would you please cite an example of me re-writing history? I don't expect you will be able to, but I have to challenge that sort of nonsense.

    You mean the people who founded the republican movement?

    But republicans kill people because they are protestants according to some warped people on here.


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    #465
    Lonesome Boatman
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Lonesome Boatman


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Please don't speak on my behalf, especially when you can't get your facts right.

    What are you then? You can't be Irish if you refer to Britain as the 'mainland'.


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    #466
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Anyway, Gerry Adams has denied the whole IRA thing and the bank robbery but this is a guy who says he wasn't in the IRA and yet in the same sentence says he doesn't distance himself from the IRA and also says he was never approached to join the IRA yet there is evidence he was in the IRA and he even said so via a letter he wrote in prison.

    I’m amazed how republicans vote for Gerry Adams in Sinn Fein. The guy is the most confused and ****ed up politician in Irish and UK politics.

    Brenden Hughes who is a legend among republican nationalists says he was in the PIRA, he give out orders and set up squads too in the PIRA. Why would he lie about that? Why do Sinn Fein voters not take enough notice of this? Do you not feel he is shaming what some of your people fought for in the past by lying?


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    #467
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Lonesome Boatman wrote: »
    You mean the people who founded the republican movement?

    But republicans kill people because they are protestants according to some warped people on here.
    Take it up with DanBohan - we are in agreement on this I feel.


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    #468
    junder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    He knew what he was getting in to in fairness, if he wanted to avoid that crap he neednt have joined the BA.

    Same could be said for provies when they got killed


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    #469
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    junder wrote: »
    Same could be said for provies when they got killed
    So you consider yourself as an equal to a provo volunteer?


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    #470
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    yet there is evidence he was in the IRA and he even said so via a letter he wrote in prison.

    Provide the said evidence then please.
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I’m amazed how republicans vote for Gerry Adams in Sinn Fein.

    It's quite simple. He has been the forefront of Republican politics for decades, and has kept the issue alive and relevant in 21st century Ireland.
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Brenden Hughes who is a legend among republican nationalists says he was in the PIRA

    He was an ardent critic of Sinn Féin and Gerry Adams. Do you always look at critics when seeking a balanced, and unbiased account of someone - or is only when you're looking to find faults in Republicanism?


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    #471
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Provide the said evidence then please.



    It's quite simple. He has been the forefront of Republican politics for decades, and has kept the issue alive and relevant in 21st century Ireland.



    He was an ardent critic of Sinn Féin and Gerry Adams. Do you always look at critics when seeking a balanced, and unbiased account of someone - or is only when you're looking to find faults in Republicanism?

    What balanced unbiased people are saying GA was not a member of the IRA?

    Do you think Hughes was a liar? Reading his blogs and watching videos of him I don't believe he would lie about this. He had nothing to gain from it. Also worth remembering he was dedicated enough to starve himself to a week from death so I wouldn't be dismissing his word so easily.


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    #472
    Lonesome Boatman
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Lonesome Boatman


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    What balanced unbiased people are saying GA was not a member of the IRA?

    Do you think Hughes was a liar? Reading his blogs and watching videos of him I don't believe he would lie about this. He had nothing to gain from it. Also worth remembering he was dedicated enough to starve himself to a week from death so I wouldn't be dismissing his word so easily.

    Same with Dolours Price, she was on hunger strike for 200 days and is a strong critic of Adams, she says he is 'living a lie' and she took orders from him, she is a very strong critic of Adams,

    Both of them i would believe ahead of Adams.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1326593/Gerry-Adams-was-my-commander-says-IRA-bomber.html


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    #473
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Lonesome Boatman wrote: »
    Same with Dolours Price, she was on hunger strike for 200 days and is a strong critic of Adams, she says he is 'living a lie' and she took orders from him, she is a very strong critic of Adams,

    Both of them i would believe ahead of Adams.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1326593/Gerry-Adams-was-my-commander-says-IRA-bomber.html
    I assume she was forcefed?


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    #474
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I assume she was forcefed?

    yeah same as Gerry Kelly


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    #475
    Lonesome Boatman
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Lonesome Boatman


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I assume she was forcefed?

    She was, Michael Gaughan who was on strike at the same time as her died from force feeding.
    The method of force-feeding hadn’t changed from the days when Thomas Ashe died due to the brutality of it in 1917. The brutality of the force-feeding and resisting the doctors and the warders took its toll on the hunger-strikers. It left them battered and bruised, drained physically and mentally. The physiological torture of this barbaric assault on a person also had an effect as one of the hunger-strikers recounted to a relative at the time: “The mental agony of waiting to be force-fed is getting to the stage where it now outweighs the physical discomfort of having to go through with it.'’


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    #476
    junder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So you consider yourself as an equal to a provo volunteer?

    Certainly not after all i have morals


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    #477
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    junder wrote: »
    Certainly not after all i have morals

    And you wonder why the war went on as long as it went on...


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    #478
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    And you wonder why the war went on as long as it went on...
    Still going on for some!


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    #479
    junder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    Well you have dodged the issue, pointed fingers and generally done everything you can to try and shift the empahsis from the pira's criminality. So about the kidnapping, smuggling, extortion, murder (garada McCabe?), robberys, racketeering, done by the pira, got anything to say about that or are you just going to beat around the bush again.


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    #480
    Oasis_Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Oasis_Dublin


    This is what happens when the first post is so vague...


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    #481
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Oasis_Dublin wrote: »
    This is what happens when the first post is so vague...
    This is what happens in every even vaguely republican themed thread.


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