Allardyce Leaves Blackburn

CantGetNoSleep

Is anyone else not surprised when they see that all of these statements are coming from a woman? Should she not be in the kitchen making me chicken sandwiches?

x in the city

personally, i would like to see el diego in charge

for comical value alone, he would trounce mancini on a post match interview, and proably get banned for a year with all manner of insults

M5

Lemlin wrote: »

Well post some links with examples then. You haven't provided one so far despite uttering these 'views'. There's absolutely nothing to back up what you're saying - particularly as Newcastle were 11th when he finished up!

Your completely ignoring the solid facts that I provided. I'll have a look but 4 year old articles tend to be hard to come by

Allardyce responds to duffs fitness claims Cant find the original

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eagle eye wrote: »

All sorts of crazy sh1t going on.

It has turned into a disaster pretty quickly!

I'll be honest first and say I am glad Allardyce is gone, I never liked the man or his approach to the game.

Moving on from all that, I am delighted Williams has stayed on, the club really would be in a mess with himself gone - but I am also a bit worried about what his role is now??? I don't think he is going to have much input into things now.

I am half thinking now that this has happened so that no money will have to be spent in January. I wouldn't be surprised to see no players coming in. Allardyce has taken about 1.5 Million with him - I would have prepared to let him see the contract out and keep the club afloat again . I'll give Steve Kean a chance, but The game at West Ham now is huge for me - especially with Grant being issued this ultimatum that he has to win 1 of the next 3 games, and West Ham are Blackburn's Bogey team!

The Maradonna talk is lunacy, we would be the laughing stock of the league if that happened, you are spot on there!

I don't know who is out there at the moment to suit Blackburn. I don't want O'Neill to get the job, as I don't think there would be much difference in styles - plus Heskey might be brought in!

I am dreaming big time here, but this is to put me in a good mood, I'm hoping they are waiting until the end of the season, see how Bolton do, and then try and snatch Coyle from there!! I know there is not much of a chance, but one can dream!

Just another one in my head, Chris Hughton I don't think would have much off a chance, but what would you think of himself with Brian Kerr as his number 2? I have to say that would appeal to me.

As much as I love Shearer, I really hope we don't go down that route either. I am with you on the Jol stuff too - I think he is overrated and would not suit Blackburn at all.

Lemlin

M5 wrote: »

Your completely ignoring the solid facts that I provided. I'll have a look but 4 year old articles tend to be hard to come by

What solid facts are these then? Because I haven't seen any.

Most newspapers have archives that go back years so can't see why you have trouble finding any articles tbh.

I put in Big Sam and Newcastle yesterday and found several about Sam leaving the club. None mentioned any of the claims you have made though.

They all mentioned the club were eleventh when he left.

M5

eagle eye wrote: »

As for the Maradona stuff, we would be the laughing stock of the league if we hired him.

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

The Maradonna talk is lunacy, we would be the laughing stock of the league if that happened, you are spot on there!

I don't know who is out there at the moment to suit Blackburn. I don't want O'Neill to get the job, as I don't think there would be much difference in styles - plus Heskey might be brought in!

I am dreaming big time here, but this is to put me in a good mood, I'm hoping they are waiting until the end of the season, see how Bolton do, and then try and snatch Coyle from there!! I know there is not much of a chance, but one can dream!

Just another one in my head, Chris Hughton I don't think would have much off a chance, but what would you think of himself with Brian Kerr as his number 2? I have to say that would appeal to me.

As much as I love Shearer, I really hope we don't go down that route either. I am with you on the Jol stuff too - I think he is overrated and would not suit Blackburn at all.

I thin Diego is unproven and perhaps an accident waiting to happen?

Chris would do a great job in sure, i'd stay away from Shearer though, all sentiment aside I have reservations about his ability. If he were paired with a top class coach it may do the trick though

Coyle would definitely be a good bet

As with my lot i think O'Neill might be out of reach for ye, although that depends on how much investment there would be! Worryingly Souness and Curbs linked, that would be a step down IMO

M5

"We are not making any choices now and when the time comes we will give Steve two to three months to prove his mettle.

"Suppose he turns out to be good, then he continues as the manager - it is as simple as that.

"The option is open for Steve, it is very clear. He has been given the time and if he does well and proves himself, there is no doubt in our mind he would be the manager forever, then.

"Then we will not look at anybody.

"We will be keeping our options open but if he does prove himself to be good, which we are hoping he will, then he is the manager for a long time to come."

Interesting way of doing business


Venky on Maradona

"This is something that because we have offices everywhere somebody spoke about, but it is not true. There is no connection.

M5

Lemlin wrote: »

What solid facts are these then? Because I haven't seen any.

Most newspapers have archives that go back years so can't see why you have trouble finding any articles tbh.

I put in Big Sam and Newcastle yesterday and found several about Sam leaving the club. None mentioned any of the claims you have made though.

They all mentioned the club were eleventh when he left.

here and here

doc_17

flahavaj wrote: »

None of that explains your whinging about his friendship with Fergie though.

I wasn't whinging. Just curious about it.

and for those puzzled about why he might have gotten the sack when his teams were in a relatively stable position I would only say this. He plays horrible football. really really horrible stuff. How could anyone watch it. saftey in the league is one thing but his brand of football should not be on TV.

good riddance.

dfx-

rarnes1 wrote: »

Please take Hodgson back.

We'll throw in Poulson for nothing.

Shhhh, you don't want to turn them off the deal






Sneak him in the boot of the car taking Hodgson to Ewood instead

Lemlin

M5 wrote: »

here and here

Those are your views. You haven't provided one website to back any of those stats up.

I've provided the fact that Newcastle were 11th when Sam left.

eagle eye

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

It has turned into a disaster pretty quickly!

I'll be honest first and say I am glad Allardyce is gone, I never liked the man or his approach to the game.

I don't want to focus on anything else you said. Sam Allardyce got us in the top half of the table last year despite having to sell our best players to pay club debts and then spend the surplus cash to try and replace those players. That was some feat in all fairness.

Now I understand the football wasn't the nicest to watch but I was willing to put up with that until the end of this season while he was bringing through young players. And he is the first manager that really did give the youth players a chance at Rovers.

And besides all of that, changing manager in mid-December when the most crucial period of the season lies just ahead is ludicrous. I'd have no problem(well I might if we made it to Europe) with them getting rid of him next May, that you could understand but what they've done now is taken out the man who would have made sure we were in the Premier League next year and left us in a situation again where relegation is a real possibility unless Steve Kean can step up and do the job which I pray he can because the next four weeks are huge. If things go wrong over that period then we will be in free fall.

M5

Lemlin wrote: »

Those are your views. You haven't provided one website to back any of those stats up.

I've provided the fact that Newcastle were 11th when Sam left.

Not my views, stats

Its all here... and on hundredsof other sites.

Match reports and post match quotes here. Pay close attention to the home game to liverpool

Lemlin

M5 wrote: »

Not my views, stats

Its all here... and on hundredsof other sites.

Match reports and post match quotes here. Pay close attention to the home game to liverpool

I can't see any stats on either of those pages other than the league table which shows Newcastle finished 12th, lower than where Sam left them.

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eagle eye wrote: »

I don't want to focus on anything else you said. Sam Allardyce got us in the top half of the table last year despite having to sell our best players to pay club debts and then spend the surplus cash to try and replace those players. That was some feat in all fairness.

Now I understand the football wasn't the nicest to watch but I was willing to put up with that until the end of this season while he was bringing through young players. And he is the first manager that really did give the youth players a chance at Rovers.

And besides all of that, changing manager in mid-December when the most crucial period of the season lies just ahead is ludicrous. I'd have no problem(well I might if we made it to Europe) with them getting rid of him next May, that you could understand but what they've done now is taken out the man who would have made sure we were in the Premier League next year and left us in a situation again where relegation is a real possibility unless Steve Kean can step up and do the job which I pray he can because the next four weeks are huge. If things go wrong over that period then we will be in free fall.

I don't think he has been as good as you think he has,

Certain players have simply not been as good as they have been for Rovers under his tenure, and I believe his use of youth has been forced upon him because of the lack of funds - I'm pretty sure if he had money to spend he would not have utilised them as much.

Pedersen was certainly better under Hughes, Allardyce turned him into a long throw specialist and his other set piece ability struggled because of this. I will say of late he has been reaching the form he has shown before.

Hughes had the defense performing much better, There have been times this season where they have been running around like headless chickens - the game against Man Utd was a complete embarrassment.

While I am on that game I may bring up this Goulon chap - Allardyce made a criminal mistake starting him in that game - the chap hadn't even amassed 90mins first team football and he throws him in at Old Trafford. I'd go so far as to say he feigned the injury he supposedly had to come off with - Allardyce got him because he is a tower - simple as that.

I could barely stomach watching Blackburn these days, because I was sick of the same old stuff from him. He made the team play to his strengths rather than to their own.

The game against Bolton should have resulted in a victory for us, at the least a draw. We had a great record there, we were performing well, Bolton went down to 10 men before any goals were scored and we came away with nothing, that was unacceptable for me.

Besides all that, it was clear the owners did not like him. Something happened. be it the transfer story or be it something else. I would agree it was a silly decision to give him the boot - they should have let him run out his contract - especially considering their recent information as regards to the timeframe for a new boss.

Still though, I am happy he has gone, I wish him luck, but I also wish kean luck, we need it, but I think we will make it over this Christmas period and be in as safe a position under Kean as we would have been under Sam.

eagle eye

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I don't think he has been as good as you think he has,

Certain players have simply not been as good as they have been for Rovers under his tenure, and I believe his use of youth has been forced upon him because of the lack of funds - I'm pretty sure if he had money to spend he would not have utilised them as much.

What players?

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Pedersen was certainly better under Hughes, Allardyce turned him into a long throw specialist and his other set piece ability struggled because of this. I will say of late he has been reaching the form he has shown before.

Pedersen is playing better now than he has for a couple of seasons. The move to the middle of the park has worked wonders and revitalised his career which seemed to be on the slide for quite a while and I'm talking about even when Hughes was in charge. He was great in the 04/05 season and the next season too but he wasn't the same player in 07/08 and then got dropped by Ince for games. Under Sam Allardyce we have seen Pedersen realise his potential as a set piece taker. He has become an excellent central midfielder. He never had the pace on the outside and when you look back now what actually made him look so good was Tugay, his sublime passes set him up time and time again to do his thing. Tugay only started 12 games in 07/08 and its exactly when Pedersen's demise on the left side of midfield began.

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Hughes had the defense performing much better, There have been times this season where they have been running around like headless chickens - the game against Man Utd was a complete embarrassment.

Hughes had Warnock and Ooijer. Ooijer was always going home at the end of 08/09 and Warnock was sold to help manage the club debt as was Roque Santa Cruz.

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

While I am on that game I may bring up this Goulon chap - Allardyce made a criminal mistake starting him in that game - the chap hadn't even amassed 90mins first team football and he throws him in at Old Trafford. I'd go so far as to say he feigned the injury he supposedly had to come off with - Allardyce got him because he is a tower - simple as that.

The only other midfielder we had fit for that game was Amine Liganzi. Nothing that could be done about it and Goulon has impressed in a reserve game just before that too.
Those out injured for that game were Pedersen, N'Zonzi, Andrews and Grella from central midfield. Brett Emerton and David Dunn both had injuries too but made the game. Thats six central midfielders and then you have Jones who played too which means that Goulon was the 8th choice for the centre of the park.

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I could barely stomach watching Blackburn these days, because I was sick of the same old stuff from him. He made the team play to his strengths rather than to their own.

It was tough to watch a lot of the time. We played some decent stuff this season though but if they wanted to change that they should have waited until May.

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

The game against Bolton should have resulted in a victory for us, at the least a draw. We had a great record there, we were performing well, Bolton went down to 10 men before any goals were scored and we came away with nothing, that was unacceptable for me.

We were the better team. You can't blame the manager for that.

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Besides all that, it was clear the owners did not like him. Something happened. be it the transfer story or be it something else. I would agree it was a silly decision to give him the boot - they should have let him run out his contract - especially considering their recent information as regards to the timeframe for a new boss.

Agreed. Its quite clear that it was over the transfer list by the way.

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Still though, I am happy he has gone, I wish him luck, but I also wish kean luck, we need it, but I think we will make it over this Christmas period and be in as safe a position under Kean as we would have been under Sam.

Well I'm not at all happy he is gone. I think its a ridiculous decision that could cost us our Premier League status. I hope Steve Kean can keep us going. I don't really know anything about him as far as management is concerned. That will all be revealed over the next month or two. Thing is I'm really concerned about relegation now. If things go wrong over the next 3 weeks then its bye bye Premier League imo.

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eagle eye wrote: »

What players?

The players I was talking about were Samba, Nelsen and Pedersen.

I'll agree Pedersen is playing better of late, and the centre does really suit him.

I know Givet plays left, but I think he is as good a player as Ooijer was. Salgado is obviously a short term thing but we need another right back in.

The defense really has not be as solid as it should be.

Anyways getting away from all that, who would you be happy to see replacing Allardyce?

M5

Lemlin wrote: »

I can't see any stats on either of those pages other than the league table which shows Newcastle finished 12th, lower than where Sam left them.

Click on the results etc, they show the stats I quoted earlier, if you can't be arsed looking what can I do? Its akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and saying" I can't hear you".

I won't be trolled any further

eagle eye

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

The players I was talking about were Samba, Nelsen and Pedersen.

I'll agree Pedersen is playing better of late, and the centre does really suit him.

I know Givet plays left, but I think he is as good a player as Ooijer was. Salgado is obviously a short term thing but we need another right back in.

The defense really has not be as solid as it should be.

Anyways getting away from all that, who would you be happy to see replacing Allardyce?

I've no idea tbh. I just want somebody that keeps us up. I don't care what type of football we play as long as we stay in the Premier League. Thats always been no.1 for me. I'd love to see Sparky come back and if things don't improve at Fulham soon he might just be available.

I'd absolutely hate Jol. His teams can't ever defend to save their lives and teams like us have to be able to defend. Allardyce was getting the results at home. Actually the away form had improved this year too. With the squad we currently have there is always going to be bad days when we have injuries, particularly in the centre of the park.

As for Nelsen and Samba. Nelsen has been a rock all along, he does have the odd bad day when he comes up against a team full of pace but he has been brilliant this season. Samba is what he is, a guy who looks great a lot of the time but then he makes a schoolboy error. I think you underesimate how good Ooijer was for us and Warnock too.

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eagle eye wrote: »

I think you underesimate how good Ooijer was for us and Warnock too.

No, I definitely know how good those two were, I didn't mention Warnock but that is not to say I was ignoring him.

I just meant Givet for me, is as good as Ooijer was for us, the only difference being he covers left and centre as opposed to right and centre, which is why I didn't mention Warnock who was at left back for us.

It is a shame to think that 2 stand out players for Blackburn, Santa Cruz, Bentley are not being used at all. I know they were sold to service the debt, but at the prices it really was as much as we were going to get and that has been the clubs business model.

I honestly cannot think of a Manager out there now who could do the job.

I would welcome Hughes back, we had some fantastic times under him, he was dealt a cruel blow at City, and he has established a team that are hard to beat again at Fulham - problem is they don't win enough.

I would also like to see Coyle, as unrealistic as that is - but hey we never thought Allardyce would be the next Premier League manager to be sacked. Bolton are very similar to Blackburn in terms of squad quality and depth. Blackburn would be the bigger club and if the troubles at Bolton are to be believed could offer more money transfer market wise.

It is a long way from being sorted, but unfortunately a club like Blackburn need a steady ship in the Premiership, a win this weekend against West Ham would be a good building point for Kean, and a loss could be the start of a slippery slope. It really is that important!

eagle eye

I really like Holloway, he is just so honest. Its going to get him in trouble someday but its refreshing.

Blackpool manager Ian Holloway has rubbished speculation that he is a potential successor to sacked Blackburn Rovers boss Sam Allardyce.

Blackburn's Indian owner Venky's, axed Allardyce on Monday and Holloway's name has been mentioned in connection with the vacancy, but he has quickly distanced himself from the rumours.
"I know I've got a few chickens but it is ridiculous to link me with that. It is absolute rubbish,'' Holloway told the Blackpool Gazette. "I signed a contract at Blackpool in the summer, which lasts this season and next season, and I am more than happy. I don't need to talk to anybody.
"I haven't got an agent and I don't really want one anymore. I am just happy talking to my chairman about the job I'm doing here. I am privileged to have this job and I am trying to do the best I can.''
Asked at a press conference on Friday about Allardyce's dismissal, Holloway expressed his bafflement at the decision.
"It seems an absolute load of nonsense, but they own the club, they can do what they like and they have obviously done it,'' Holloway said.
"For me, they obviously don't know what football is about because a good manager like that with a great track record, and where they are in the league, it is not easy. Not everyone can do it and I hope it doesn't backfire on them.
"Sam has a proven track record of how he does things. Good luck to them, that's all I'd like to say. None of it makes sense, but maybe football doesn't.''

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/854771?cc=5739

M5

eagle eye wrote: »

I really like Holloway, he is just so honest. Its going to get him in trouble someday but its refreshing.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/854771?cc=5739

He's a rare breed alright, just spits out what's in his head. His style of football is also extremely admirable, besides WBA they played the best football in the championship last year

Xavi6

Poor @TheBig_Sam is having a tough time of it:

When I close my eyes I see pain and fear. When I open them I see the wife bleaching her arsehole on the sofa while watching 'Grease 2'.

Wish the dirty, inconsiderate bitch would fuck off to bed and let me knock one out to MTV Base in peace.

Like that fucking bleaching makes the slightest bit of difference anyway. Her ringpiece is like a fucking tea-stained snooker pocket.

:pac:

CantGetNoSleep

As a west ham fan he needs to be appointed asap

tvnutz

Mike Ashley must be giving the Blackburn owners advice. Ridiculous if it happens.

Sky Sports News understands Steve Kean is on course to be named as the new Blackburn Rovers manager on a permanent basis.

Kean was handed the role on a caretaker arrangement by the club's new owners The Venky's Group following their shock decision to axe Sam Allardyce earlier this month.

The former Fulham, Real Sociedad and Coventry assistant manager has flown out to India for talks with the Venky's hierarchy over his post at Ewood Park.

And it is believed that if the discussions go well then it is 99 per cent certain that the 43-year-old will be handed the reins full-time.

Baffled

Kean has had just one game at the helm, which saw Rovers draw 1-1 at home to the Premier League's bottom club West Ham on Saturday.

Allardyce, who is clearly still upset by his abrupt exit, earlier told Sky Sports News that he was baffled by the decision to appoint Kean as his temporary replacement.

Kean, who has no previous experience as a manager, admitted shortly after being placed in interim charge that he would relish taking on the role permanently.

And he suggested earlier that he could improve on Rovers' 10th place finish last season if he is handed a £5million kitty by Venky's in the January transfer window.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6606621,00.html

M5

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"Following the departure of Mr Sam Allardyce as football manager of Blackburn Rovers Football Club earlier this month, Mr Steve Kean was appointed as manager.

"Venky's London Limited - Blackburn Rovers - has decided to continue with Mr Steve Kean as manager, until the end of the season, June 2011."

Lemlin

M5 wrote: »

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Fookin ridiculous. We're now bigger eejits than even Newcastle.