Pacman vs. Mosley -April 16th 2011

paraguay99

Pac never agreed to full blood tests randomly taken up to the day before the fight. If he does, and Floyd still doesn't take the fight, I will then say Floyd is ducking him.

Any fighters resume can be critiqued... Pac made Oscar fight at 147 (first time in 10 years), made Cotto drain to 145, fought Hatton after Floyd KO'd him, made margarito come in at 150 after mosley annihilated him and now Mosley after floyd embarrassed him.

But in fairness, Pacs record is very good as is Floyds.

paraguay99

also, I presume everyone here saying Floyd is scared to fight Pacman would pick Pacman to beat floyd right...?

maxxie

paraguay99 wrote: »

also, I presume everyone here saying Floyd is scared to fight Pacman would pick Pacman to beat floyd right...?

Id be rooting for pac but floyd is class so I wouldnt be confident! They both have the tools to beat eachother.

Public opinion thinks floyd is afraid, they could sit down and iron fight out tomorrow.

colly10

paraguay99 wrote: »

Pac made Oscar fight at 147 (first time in 10 years)

Pac weighed 135 in the previous fight, 130 in the fight before that. 147 is a huge jump for him to make

paraguay99 wrote: »

made Cotto drain to 145,

You know Cotto weighed 146 in the fight before, so he made him drain 1lb from his previous fight, yes 1lb :rolleyes:

paraguay99 wrote: »

fought Hatton after Floyd KO'd him,

Floyd fought hatton at 147 where he had previously performed poorly, Manny fought him at his best weight

paraguay99 wrote: »

made margarito come in at 150.

Ye and he weighed in at 144 himself that fight, how mismatched would you like the weight to be?

cowzerp

Been straight out i have no doubt that manny juiced his way up the weight divisions, he gained weight and muscle to easy and never put on body fat!
Mayweather knows it as does any experts in the field of fitness or drugs, the only reason he gets away with it Is the crap testing in boxing which is too easy to beat.

On top of that he has weight drained all his opponents as he moved up and won titles when not even fighting at the weight-I love him as a fighter but do think his career is dodgy to say the least

Spazdarn

paraguay99 wrote: »

also, I presume everyone here saying Floyd is scared to fight Pacman would pick Pacman to beat floyd right...?

I think Floyd's defense is unreal, and he's accurate, Manny'd get hit but his punch output is phenominal so I'd imagine so will Floyd... 50-50 fight

Spazdarn

cowzerp wrote: »

Been straight out i have no doubt that manny juiced his way up the weight divisions, he gained weight and muscle to easy and never put on body fat!
Mayweather knows it as does any experts in the field of fitness or drugs, the only reason he gets away with it Is the crap testing in boxing which is too easy to beat.

On top of that he has weight drained all his opponents as he moved up and won titles when not even fighting at the weight-I love him as a fighter but do think his career is dodgy to say the least

Hardly, Manny climbed the same divisions Floyd climbed.

At age 16 they were both 106. The only difference was Floyd stayed in the amateurs longer while Manny went pro. So if they're both 147 campaigners now, does that mean Floyd also juiced his wage to welterweight?

maxxie

I agree, these guys also have the best sports scientist, nutritionists in their team!

cowzerp

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Hardly, Manny climbed the same divisions Floyd climbed.
?

That's stupid
Pbf done it gradually and grew into it, PAC done it in a v short time frame when he was a fully grown adult-it's not comparable

paraguay99

colly10 wrote: »

Pac weighed 135 in the previous fight, 130 in the fight before that. 147 is a huge jump for him to make



You know Cotto weighed 146 in the fight before, so he made him drain 1lb from his previous fight, yes 1lb :rolleyes:



Floyd fought hatton at 147 where he had previously performed poorly, Manny fought him at his best weight



Ye and he weighed in at 144 himself that fight, how mismatched would you like the weight to be?

I understand Pac was moving up for the Oscar fight but Oscar hadn't made 147 in 10 years and was actually the lighter man in the ring. making the weight completely destroyed him

as for cotto being only a pound lighter than his last fight.. one pound is a huge difference at the highest level of the game where these athletes are in pristine condition with zero excess fat. if it wasn't such a difference and such an advantage, why make the stipulation? why did pacman want cotto at 145... because cotto would be weaker.

as for hatton, the reason he struggled at 147 was because of the style of collazo. he always had trouble with slick boxers. floyd completely outclassed him and KO'd him before pac. a KO like that breaks a fighter like hatton.

And then margarito.. another catchweight fight. margarito was drained at 150. pacman should be fighting for the 154 world title at 154 not 150, otherwise don't fight for the title.

however, it's still impressive what pac has done, im just pointing out that all resumes can be taken apart. lets not forget that most people had pacman beat by marquez in the second split decision win. he was also wobbled by marquez at one stage. 2 years later he is walking through margarito...

paraguay99

cowzerp wrote: »

That's stupid
Pbf done it gradually and grew into it, PAC done it in a v short time frame when he was a fully grown adult-it's not comparable

Also, you can see how floyd has slowed through the years slightly. his handspeed and footspeed have decreased marginally as he has moved up. pacman has increased all his attributes as he moved up.

lets not forget that james toney was training in the wild card gym for years under roach and ariza and he got caught on steroids...

Spazdarn

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Not that different bar Mayweather jumped higher in his early years while Pacman jumped more in the last three years and even the fight with Margarito he still came in at his natural weight, in and around 144-147.

Erm Pacquiao was not faster against Margarito than he was against Marquez :S

Wild_Dogger

More importantly , Steroids cant build you a stone chin .
Pac has that chin , which would be pretty remarkable to absorb welterewight shots if he really is a 130lbs fighter .

Nobody ever talked about juicing until the Mayweathers started the campaign .
Now 'everybody' is on drugs , apparently .
Everybody but Floyd , who never gets queried .

Maybe Pac is , and maybe hes not ..... we cant possibly know as fans . But the significant thing here is that the governing bodies see no requirement to bring in additional drug testing .
These guys are professionl in their field , with knowledge , qualifications and experience in drug testing and sampling .
So why does the boxing fan seem to have greater knowledge about drug testing than the actual people in the profession ??

I think its a bit fanboy-ish ... blindly following Floyd no matter what .

It reminds me of the Floyd - Baldomir fight , which was exceedingly boring and lobsided , and PPV audiences watched Floyd put in a little effort as possible as he coasted to a points decision .
Even Baldomir dropped his hands and pleaded for a fight , as the crowd left their seats early and many remaining chanted boo's aimed at Mayweather.

Larry Merchant then challanged the boring spectacle in the post fight interview .
Floyds response was that if you thought it was boring then you dont know boxing , and stressed the word 'clinic' .
I wasn't surprised to see so many people fall for it and blindly support the 'no show' floyd effort .
Internet Mayweather fans getting on talking about clinic this and clinic that , like parrots .
Meanwhile Floyd is laughing all the way to the bank , taking the same peoples PPV subscriptions , whilst doing the least possible on the night of the fight .

He could have been spectacular on the night , if he chose to do so . It was the least he owed to his fee paying fans .

CorkMan

What if Yuriorkis Gamboa(19 wins, 15 KO, Olympic Gold Medalist 2004, IBF featherweight title) went up to 133-135 and Pacquiao came down.

That would be a good fight. 10X better than Mosley.

walshb

CorkMan wrote: »

What if Yuriorkis Gamboa(19 wins, 15 KO, Olympic Gold Medalist 2004, IBF featherweight title) went up to 133-135 and Pacquiao came down.

That would be a good fight. 10X better than Mosley.

He'd get slaughtered, even by a weight drained Manny!

strobe

cowzerp wrote: »

That's stupid
Pbf done it gradually and grew into it, PAC done it in a v short time frame when he was a fully grown adult-it's not comparable

Well as fully grown adults, between the age of 21 to 25 Mayweather went from fighting at a low of 130 vs Cuello to a high of 135 vs Castillo. That's 5 lbs. Pacquiao from 21 to 25 fought at a low of 120 vs Sanchez to a high of 126 vs Barrera. That's 6 lbs. So a 1 lb difference between the same ages. From 25 - 30 Mayweather fought at a low of 134 vs Sosa to a high of 154 vs De la Hoya, so that's a gap of 20lbs. Where as Pacquiao fought at a low of 124 vs Battery to a high of 145 vs De La Hoya, that's a 21 lb jump. So a one pound difference between them again at the same age as each other.

I don't see the massive difference between them as adults to be honest. Of course Pacquiao has gone up another 5 lbs in two years to come in at 150 for Margarito. But Floyds biggest climb in a two year period was 14 lbs to take on De La Hoya and Manny's was 17 lbs to take on Oscar, again not a huge difference between the two boys, so 5 lbs in two years isn't really that impressive. I'm sure other fighters can beat them both in those stakes.

Of course you could bring in the fact that Manny Pacquiao was fighting at 107 as a skinny little 16 year old from the slums in the Philappines, but that's not really here nor there is it. Particularly considering Floyd won his first golden gloves aged 14 and fighting at 106. Then by the time he won his third three years later at 17 he weighed 125. While Manny managed to get himself up to a high of 116 in a similar time frame from 16 - 19.

Maybe Manny Pacquiao is juicing. If we are to base that on his weight gains maybe Floyd is juicing too. Hell, maybe every fighter out there is up to their eyeballs on PED's and roids. But just pointing to Manny's weight alone and saying he is, while looking at Floyds almost fukking identical weight record in terms of what they put on between x age to y age and saying nope totally different, not comparable, just makes no sense. It's there in black and white.

makl

strobe wrote: »

Well as fully grown adults, between the age of 21 to 25 Mayweather went from fighting at a low of 130 vs Cuello to a high of 135 vs Castillo. That's 5 lbs. Pacquiao from 21 to 25 fought at a low of 120 vs Sanchez to a high of 126 vs Barrera. That's 6 lbs. So a 1 lb difference between the same ages. From 25 - 30 Mayweather fought at a low of 134 vs Sosa to a high of 154 vs De la Hoya, so that's a gap of 20lbs. Where as Pacquiao fought at a low of 124 vs Battery to a high of 145 vs De La Hoya, that's a 21 lb jump. So a one pound difference between them again at the same age as each other.

I don't see the massive difference between them as adults to be honest. Of course Pacquiao has gone up another 5 lbs in two years to come in at 150 for Margarito. But Floyds biggest climb in a two year period was 14 lbs to take on De La Hoya and Manny's was 17 lbs to take on Oscar, again not a huge difference between the two boys, so 5 lbs in two years isn't really that impressive. I'm sure other fighters can beat them both in those stakes.


Of course you could bring in the fact that Manny Pacquiao was fighting at 107 as a skinny little 16 year old from the slums in the Philappines, but that's not really here nor there is it. Particularly considering Floyd won his first golden gloves aged 14 and fighting at 106. Then by the time he won his third three years later at 17 he weighed 125. While Manny managed to get himself up to a high of 116 in a similar time frame from 16 - 19.

Maybe Manny Pacquiao is juicing. If we are to base that on his weight gains maybe Floyd is juicing too. Hell, maybe every fighter out there is up to their eyeballs on PED's and roids. But just pointing to Manny's weight alone and saying he is, while looking at Floyds almost fukking identical weight record in terms of what they put on between x age to y age and saying nope totally different, not comparable, just makes no sense. It's there in black and white.

great points

CorkMan

walshb wrote: »

He'd get slaughtered, even by a weight drained Manny!

Why do you say that?

walshb

CorkMan wrote: »

Why do you say that?

Beacuse IMO, he would!

I like Yuriorkis, great speed and great boxer, but Manny is far too
good for him. Anyway, Manny is well finished at 135 now.

colly10

strobe wrote: »

Of course Pacquiao has gone up another 5 lbs in two years to come in at 150 for Margarito.

He didn't, he weighed in at 144 for that fight, but that further adds to the point

Boooourns

walshb wrote: »

Beacuse IMO, he would!

I like Yuriorkis, great speed and great boxer, but Manny is far too
good for him. Anyway, Manny is well finished at 135 now.

He can be easy to hit as well and he's been put down pretty easily in some fights, Manny would eat him alive.

Spazdarn

Gamboa is very raw, Manny would pick him apart and knock him out.

darced

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Spazdarn

Era Manny is the pound for pound champion, the man to beat, it's up to the challengers to break their backs to get the payday fight with him, not the other way around. There's little chance of Manny going down to 140 for Marquez, let alone Gamboa.

paraguay99

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

More importantly , Steroids cant build you a stone chin .
Pac has that chin , which would be pretty remarkable to absorb welterewight shots if he really is a 130lbs fighter .

Nobody ever talked about juicing until the Mayweathers started the campaign .
Now 'everybody' is on drugs , apparently .

Everybody but Floyd , who never gets queried .

Floyd went through a training camp where he was randomly blood tested and proved he wasn't on any PEDs. He is more than willing to do that in any fight. That tells me he isn't on anything. He's not saying, "Eh mate, I'll only take the tests on a certain day".

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Maybe Pac is , and maybe hes not ..... we cant possibly know as fans . But the significant thing here is that the governing bodies see no requirement to bring in additional drug testing .
These guys are professionl in their field , with knowledge , qualifications and experience in drug testing and sampling .
So why does the boxing fan seem to have greater knowledge about drug testing than the actual people in the profession ??.

These tests failed to catch cheaters like Shane Mosley who took PEDs for the DLH rematch. He took PEDs and enjoyed the benefits of those PEDs in the fight. He would have lost the fight clearly if not for the PEDs in many peoples opinions. That case study alone puts a big question mark on the lack of blood testing in boxing. We know urine tests cannot pick up some PEDs as well as blood tests. For example, EPO. Looking at a blood profile is a lot more informative than looking at a urine sample, which is something most don't know.

Victor Conte is a former head of BALCO which distributed PEDs to athletes. Here is what he says... "the case of Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, it is asserted that urine based testing alone, as required by the Nevada Commission does not and can not detect all banned supplements. When asked his opinion, Victor Conte, former head of BALCO, and obvious expert on the subject has given his take on the “blood test” crisis, “In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone…"Traditional testing in boxing, it’s basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight….“To just say, I’ll be tested on this date, there’s all sorts of things you can do with announced testing, you can’t do with unannounced testing." Though Conte is a convicted steroid distributor his opinion on this topic certainly carries weight. "

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

I think its a bit fanboy-ish ... blindly following Floyd no matter what .

I find it strange how people assume all of the Pacquiao PED talk started with the Mayweathers. People were questioning Pacquiao on forums BEFORE Mayweather started asking for more tests. It's common sense to question how Pacquiao gets staggered and struggles bigtime with Marquez at 130, and then walks through Hatton, Clottey, big Cotto and 167 pound Margarito a few years later.

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

It reminds me of the Floyd - Baldomir fight , which was exceedingly boring and lobsided , and PPV audiences watched Floyd put in a little effort as possible as he coasted to a points decision .
Even Baldomir dropped his hands and pleaded for a fight , as the crowd left their seats early and many remaining chanted boo's aimed at Mayweather.

Larry Merchant then challanged the boring spectacle in the post fight interview .
Floyds response was that if you thought it was boring then you dont know boxing , and stressed the word 'clinic' .
I wasn't surprised to see so many people fall for it and blindly support the 'no show' floyd effort .
Internet Mayweather fans getting on talking about clinic this and clinic that , like parrots .
Meanwhile Floyd is laughing all the way to the bank , taking the same peoples PPV subscriptions , whilst doing the least possible on the night of the fight .

He could have been spectacular on the night , if he chose to do so . It was the least he owed to his fee paying fans .

Floyds PPV sales for the Mosley fight were 1.4 Mill, more than Pac did vs hatton, Cotto or Clottey so obviously more people pay to watch him fight than Pacquiao.

You are letting your bias come into play here badly. You need to look at the style of Floyd more deeply.

Floyd vs Baldomir was a boring fight to you but a boxing connoissure would have really enjoyed seeing the technical ability on show. I know I did. I also really enjoyed Floyd vs Mosley and Floyd vs Marquez. Floyd shut down Baldomir and won every round easily. He is a defensive fighter and boasts one of the best defenses of all times. It's great to watch him work and obviously the PPV sales reflect that. He rarely throws 4-5 punch combinations because he wants to be well balanced at all times. He doesn't take risks because he is so defensive. He is a counter puncher and punishes his opponent. Basically his gameplan in every fight is to spend the first 2-3 rounds figuring out how to beat his opponent, what his weaknesses are etc, and then he finds a way to comfortably win the rounds and simply does that. If you watch his past fights, you will rarely see him lose a round after the fourth round because he has totally adjusted and negated his opponents advantages. The DLH fight wasn't as close as people think. Walshb laughable had DLH winning that... a complete joke but hilarious all the same from walshb.

If you don't respect that and want to see people getting KO'd in exciting fights, that's fair enough. But understand that there are a lot of people who also enjoy watching a top line fighter dominate an opponent easily. It's boring to you and others but it's not boring to a lot of other people.

You probably don't like watching Bernard Hopkins nullify his opponents and win 12 round decisions either? Did you enjoy Hopkins vs Jones? vs Tarver? vs Pavlik? vs Trinidad? vs Wright? What he did in those fights was awesome to behold... exceptional technical craft. Some people like watching that over 12 rounds.

mrgardener

paraguay99 wrote: »

Floyd went through a training camp where he was randomly blood tested and proved he wasn't on any PEDs. He is more than willing to do that in any fight. That tells me he isn't on anything. He's not saying, "Eh mate, I'll only take the tests on a certain day".



These tests failed to catch cheaters like Shane Mosley who took PEDs for the DLH rematch. He took PEDs and enjoyed the benefits of those PEDs in the fight. He would have lost the fight clearly if not for the PEDs in many peoples opinions. That case study alone puts a big question mark on the lack of blood testing in boxing. We know urine tests cannot pick up some PEDs as well as blood tests. For example, EPO. Looking at a blood profile is a lot more informative than looking at a urine sample, which is something most don't know.

Victor Conte is a former head of BALCO which distributed PEDs to athletes. Here is what he says... "the case of Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, it is asserted that urine based testing alone, as required by the Nevada Commission does not and can not detect all banned supplements. When asked his opinion, Victor Conte, former head of BALCO, and obvious expert on the subject has given his take on the “blood test” crisis, “In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone…"Traditional testing in boxing, it’s basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight….“To just say, I’ll be tested on this date, there’s all sorts of things you can do with announced testing, you can’t do with unannounced testing." Though Conte is a convicted steroid distributor his opinion on this topic certainly carries weight. "




I find it strange how people assume all of the Pacquiao PED talk started with the Mayweathers. People were questioning Pacquiao on forums BEFORE Mayweather started asking for more tests. It's common sense to question how Pacquiao gets staggered and struggles bigtime with Marquez at 130, and then walks through Hatton, Clottey, big Cotto and 167 pound Margarito a few years later.





Floyds PPV sales for the Mosley fight were 1.4 Mill, more than Pac did vs hatton, Cotto or Clottey so obviously more people pay to watch him fight than Pacquiao.

You are letting your bias come into play here badly. You need to look at the style of Floyd more deeply.

Floyd vs Baldomir was a boring fight to you but a boxing connoissure would have really enjoyed seeing the technical ability on show. I know I did. I also really enjoyed Floyd vs Mosley and Floyd vs Marquez. Floyd shut down Baldomir and won every round easily. He is a defensive fighter and boasts one of the best defenses of all times. It's great to watch him work and obviously the PPV sales reflect that. He rarely throws 4-5 punch combinations because he wants to be well balanced at all times. He doesn't take risks because he is so defensive. He is a counter puncher and punishes his opponent. Basically his gameplan in every fight is to spend the first 2-3 rounds figuring out how to beat his opponent, what his weaknesses are etc, and then he finds a way to comfortably win the rounds and simply does that. If you watch his past fights, you will rarely see him lose a round after the fourth round because he has totally adjusted and negated his opponents advantages. The DLH fight wasn't as close as people think. Walshb laughable had DLH winning that... a complete joke but hilarious all the same from walshb.

If you don't respect that and want to see people getting KO'd in exciting fights, that's fair enough. But understand that there are a lot of people who also enjoy watching a top line fighter dominate an opponent easily. It's boring to you and others but it's not boring to a lot of other people.

You probably don't like watching Bernard Hopkins nullify his opponents and win 12 round decisions either? Did you enjoy Hopkins vs Jones? vs Tarver? vs Pavlik? vs Trinidad? vs Wright? What he did in those fights was awesome to behold... exceptional technical craft. Some people like watching that over 12 rounds.

Dude. Relax.
No-one is going to dispute that Floyd is a great boxer but as I'm not a "boxing connoisseur" like yourself, (I just love boxing and have been watching it for years) I personally get fed up with Floyd fans thinking he's the best ever. (Thankfully, they're a lot quieter than usual)
Until he fights and beats Pac, he won't be. Now, wasn't this thread about Pac and Mosley?

colly10

Mosley was on the clear and the cream, he wouldn't have been caught by blood tests either at the time

TheProdigy

There is definately an advantage to blood testing over urine samples and the fact there was hesitancy on Mannys part initially with Mayweather negotiations resulted in controversy over his legacy. Even if it was that he didn't want to be pushed around by Mayweather's demands it is irrelevant as it has put a scratch on his great achievements.

Boxing will lose alot of credibility for me if these 2 don't fight, about time the farcical governing bodies try to ensure this fight happens.

Anyway Pacquiao will destroy a long in the tooth Mosley and the rumour mill will continue over Pac v Floyd which I can't see happening.

Spazdarn

Floyd Mayweather has always been a loudmouth and has always been outspoken, it's no coincidence that the first and only time that he goes silent was when Manny started buckling to some of his demands as far as the cut off date and money split go...

He's had months to speak up, say something, anything but he hasn't

paraguay99

colly10 wrote: »

Mosley was on the clear and the cream, he wouldn't have been caught by blood tests either at the time

You don't seem to understand the differences between an active blood profile sample and a urine sample.

paraguay99

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Floyd Mayweather has always been a loudmouth and has always been outspoken, it's no coincidence that the first and only time that he goes silent was when Manny started buckling to some of his demands as far as the cut off date and money split go...

He's had months to speak up, say something, anything but he hasn't

When Pacquiao agrees to random blood testing all the way to the fight, then we will be able to judge if Floyd is ducking him or not. As I see it, he has every reason to question whether or not Pacquaio is using. Especially considering Pacquiaos refusal to do random testing all the way and excuses.

seadnamac

paraguay99 wrote: »

When Pacquiao agrees to random blood testing all the way to the fight, then we will be able to judge if Floyd is ducking him or not. As I see it, he has every reason to question whether or not Pacquaio is using. Especially considering Pacquiaos refusal to do random testing all the way and excuses.

Floyd is ducking him. You may not want to believe it, but it is true.

Floyd Duckweather anyone?

colly10

paraguay99 wrote: »

You don't seem to understand the differences between an active blood profile sample and a urine sample.

It was supposed to be undetectable in blood tests until a coach sent a syringe full of it to the USADA. The USADA themselves were unable to detect it at the time

Wild_Dogger

paraguay99 wrote: »

We know urine tests cannot pick up some PEDs as well as blood tests. For example, EPO. Looking at a blood profile is a lot more informative than looking at a urine sample, which is something most don't know.

Victor Conte is ......... obvious expert on the subject

Floyds complaining to the wrong people ,.... he should be taking it up with the testing bodies , not with reporters .
After all , they are the one's who govern the rules .

You cant take Victor Conte's word for anything ..... he's the ring-leader of cheating , I think he even did a stint in jail for his actions .
Then turned on everybody he could to lighten his sentence .
Mosley took a lie detector test and passed , Conte went on to shaft everybody he could .
He's back in the game now , hired as a 'nutritionist' for top athletes with an agenda of self gain .

And as for MW - Baldomir , it was boring as it gets .
Floyd called the emporer's new clothes that time .... and if you didnt think it was a master class well then you werent a connisuer !!!! what a joke .
If you want to see somebody score half a dozen jabs a round then you should be tuning into the Klitscko bros.

Personally , I like to see fighters give 100% , and dig a little deep when required to do so .
Floyd was doing just enough to win the round and backing away from conflict .

As for Mayweather 1.4 million ppv numbers ...... who cares ??
What has that got to do with any fight ??
I hear Mayweather fans constantly talking about revenue and PPV number to support their fighters .... and I dont know why . It shouldnt even come into the equation ! - especially to the conniseur boxing fan

Anyway , its all going to end in tears now for Pac , when the rejuvenated shane mosley wins in the 4th round !

They say life begins at 40 .

Spazdarn

PPV numbers aren't really relevant, it's only matter to show how popular Mayweather is and how much money he brings to the table but seeing as both fighters agreed to 50-50 it's not important.

I don't really mind his boring style, he came to fight against Mosley, didn't go running, don't think there is anything wrong with a fighter being skillful enough to win a fight without getting a scratch. He's made a career out of hurting guys and coming out of the ring unfazed... nothing wrong with that.

colly10

ToiletFusion wrote: »

PPV numbers aren't really relevant, it's only matter to show how popular Mayweather is and how much money he brings to the table but seeing as both fighters agreed to 50-50 it's not important.

I don't really mind his boring style, he came to fight against Mosley, didn't go running, don't think there is anything wrong with a fighter being skillful enough to win a fight without getting a scratch. He's made a career out of hurting guys and coming out of the ring unfazed... nothing wrong with that.

I don't think the numbers show popularity as such, I watch him to see if he'll be beaten (like hoping for a Mosley KO). Mayweather plays the bad guy well.
I enjoy watching him anyway, he's not my favorite fighter to watch but still worth watching

Jayob10

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Floyds complaining to the wrong people ,.... he should be taking it up with the testing bodies , not with reporters .
After all , they are the one's who govern the rules .

You cant take Victor Conte's word for anything ..... he's the ring-leader of cheating , I think he even did a stint in jail for his actions .
Then turned on everybody he could to lighten his sentence .
Mosley took a lie detector test and passed , Conte went on to shaft everybody he could .
He's back in the game now , hired as a 'nutritionist' for top athletes with an agenda of self gain .

And as for MW - Baldomir , it was boring as it gets .
Floyd called the emporer's new clothes that time .... and if you didnt think it was a master class well then you werent a connisuer !!!! what a joke .
If you want to see somebody score half a dozen jabs a round then you should be tuning into the Klitscko bros.

Personally , I like to see fighters give 100% , and dig a little deep when required to do so .
Floyd was doing just enough to win the round and backing away from conflict .

As for Mayweather 1.4 million ppv numbers ...... who cares ??
What has that got to do with any fight ??
I hear Mayweather fans constantly talking about revenue and PPV number to support their fighters .... and I dont know why . It shouldnt even come into the equation ! - especially to the conniseur boxing fan

Anyway , its all going to end in tears now for Pac , when the rejuvenated shane mosley wins in the 4th round !

They say life begins at 40 .

superb post. Well right up to the point where you state Mosley will beat Pacman. Not a hope of that happening my friend.

Great post all the same.

paraguay99

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Floyds complaining to the wrong people ,.... he should be taking it up with the testing bodies , not with reporters .
After all , they are the one's who govern the rules .

You cant take Victor Conte's word for anything ..... he's the ring-leader of cheating , I think he even did a stint in jail for his actions .
Then turned on everybody he could to lighten his sentence .
Mosley took a lie detector test and passed , Conte went on to shaft everybody he could .
He's back in the game now , hired as a 'nutritionist' for top athletes with an agenda of self gain .

And as for MW - Baldomir , it was boring as it gets .
Floyd called the emporer's new clothes that time .... and if you didnt think it was a master class well then you werent a connisuer !!!! what a joke .
If you want to see somebody score half a dozen jabs a round then you should be tuning into the Klitscko bros.

Personally , I like to see fighters give 100% , and dig a little deep when required to do so .
Floyd was doing just enough to win the round and backing away from conflict .

As for Mayweather 1.4 million ppv numbers ...... who cares ??
What has that got to do with any fight ??
I hear Mayweather fans constantly talking about revenue and PPV number to support their fighters .... and I dont know why . It shouldnt even come into the equation ! - especially to the conniseur boxing fan

Anyway , its all going to end in tears now for Pac , when the rejuvenated shane mosley wins in the 4th round !

They say life begins at 40 .

This post is kind of strange. I can't really understand some of your points. Surely you are not arguing that urine tests are more comprehensive than blood tests?

If Mayweather was so boring as you pointed out in your first post and this one, why is he getting 1.4 million buys? Obviously someone cares. People know the significiance of Mayweather and how good he is.

It also seems like you can't understand that some people like watching Mayweather hand out 12 round outclassings to his opponents.

paraguay99

Jayob10 wrote: »

superb post. Well right up to the point where you state Mosley will beat Pacman. Not a hope of that happening my friend.

Great post all the same.

Is this the guy who told us all "There is absolutely no way Manny Pacquiao can beat Ricky hatton".

Wild_Dogger

paraguay99 wrote: »

I can't really understand some of your points. Surely you are not arguing that urine tests are more comprehensive than blood tests?

No , didnt say that . The truth is I dont know the chemistry well enough to say either way . But I believe hair samples are the strongest form of evidence available !
my point was that the professional testers cant see the advantage of blood sampling over the current method , otherwise they would use it (I presume ).

paraguay99 wrote: »

It also seems like you can't understand that some people like watching Mayweather hand out 12 round outclassings to his opponents.

I actually will admit to enjoying his fights , and I'd pay to see it .
Id just like to see him put his top performance in when he gets an easy fight .

But like I said , Pac's got to get beyond Mosley first .
I can't see it happening I'm afraid ...

coronaextra

Mayweather and Pac man are two extraordinary fighters,

All this trash-talk trying to knock each of the fighters really pisses me off!
I will pick up on one or two points though,

Its up to the authorities to crack down on the jucing, no-one else!

And people comparing Mayweater V Baldomir to the Klitschko brothers??? What planet are you on?

He gave a boxing masterclass against a much stronger opponent! How anyone could say that was boring is beyond me

I feel very sad that the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight will never happen when both fighters are in their prime

Back on topic : Pacquiao to dismantle Mosley. stoppage within 8 rounds.

Wild_Dogger

coronaextra wrote: »

And people comparing Mayweater V Baldomir to the Klitschko brothers??? What planet are you on?

He gave a boxing masterclass against a much stronger opponent!

I feel very sad that the Mayweather - Pacquiao fight will never happen when both fighters are in their prime

FM never got out of first gear , because he didnt have to . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLofTxlgtY4&feature=related
Theres the whole fight .
Anyway forget Baldomir , it was just to illustrate how all the Mayweather fans jumped on the steroids bandwagon .

My regret is Floyd and Mosley never met in their prime .
Mosley within 8 rounds imo .

Dont knock Mosley , if he turns up without grey hair , then He'll finish Pacq within 5 rounds .

Reserved with a plot :

coronaextra

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Dont knock Mosley , if he turns up without grey hair , then He'll finish Pacq within 5 rounds .

Reserved with a plot :

His "Just for men" wont help him out im afraid! Hes much too loose and has very little head movement, Pac man will pick him off all day long. Not going to be pretty.

Wild_Dogger

Remember where you heard it first bruv

Ardent

Great boxer though Mosley is, Pacquiao will destroy him. Mosley is very uncomfortable against fast hands, as evident throughout the Mayweather bout.

Spazdarn

He probably won't get the technical schooling he got off of Mayweather, but he'll more than likely get knocked out. Manny'll take punches but his speed and his punch output will overwhelm Mosley.

Ardent

ToiletFusion wrote: »

He probably won't get the technical schooling he got off of Mayweather, but he'll more than likely get knocked out. Manny'll take punches but his speed and his punch output will overwhelm Mosley.

Absolutely. The thing about Pacquiao is that he wins a lot of rounds due to his superior volume of landed jabs/punches. So even if there's no knockout, the Pacman will win comfortably on the scorecards.

I see this fight going pretty much the same way as the Magarito one, expect Mosley won't chase his opponent the way Margarito does.

Spazdarn

Mosley will fight smarter, will probably start off well enough but Pacquiao is just too fast for him...

walshb

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

But like I said , Pac's got to get beyond Mosley first .
I can't see it happening I'm afraid ...

Are you serious?

You think Mosley can beat Manny

If Manny goes for it, then Mosley will suffer his first ever TKO/KO loss...

magma69

walshb wrote: »

Are you serious?

You think Mosley can beat Manny

If Manny goes for it, then Mosley will suffer his first ever TKO/KO loss...

Mosley has the power to knock out anyone at welter. He'll always have a punchers chance.