Would you take a Hit from a Non Airsoft Projectile?

Aaah no, chicken *has* to be used with a longbow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZIb9gosO00

Deise Musashi

We often use training knives in martial arts training, they really can injure a body!

Rubber, hard plastic, Aluminium or wooden trainers can break bones and give dirty injuries.

My favourite training knives are made by an AMOK practitioner called Nok.

They can be used with a little more vigour, but not an entirely risk free prospect either.

If someone wants to "knife kill" me can I use Sayoc Kali knife defense on them?

It is as taught to SEAL teams and such?

I reckon that'd go along the lines of using punching, kicking or same as a "defence" move.

So no. If he gets close enough for stabby stabby, it's a stabby stabby kill. You become aware of him, you turn and look. If he doesn't realise you've spotted him, call a bang kill. If he spots you spotting him, he can rush you. He touches you with the knife in the back/abdomen, it's a kill. Arm/leg, it's a wound. You touch him with hand palm it becomes your kill. You dodge the rush and he misses completely, it's a bang kill.

Simples. In fact you could do it with hands if you wanted and call them tag kills.

MagicIRL

Deise Musashi wrote: »

We often use training knives in martial arts training, they really can injure a body!

Rubber, hard plastic, Aluminium or wooden trainers can break bones and give dirty injuries.

My favourite training knives are made by an AMOK practitioner called Nok.

They can be used with a little more vigour, but not an entirely risk free prospect either.

If someone wants to "knife kill" me can I use Sayoc Kali knife defense on them?

It is as taught to SEAL teams and such?

Are you an idiot? Go take your "SEAL Team" tactics to Iraq and Afghanistan. Airsoft is a game, and your attempt at being "badass" has failed.

CaptainPrice

Deise Musashi wrote: »

We often use training knives in martial arts training, they really can injure a body!

Rubber, hard plastic, Aluminium or wooden trainers can break bones and give dirty injuries.

My favourite training knives are made by an AMOK practitioner called Nok.

They can be used with a little more vigour, but not an entirely risk free prospect either.

If someone wants to "knife kill" me can I use Sayoc Kali knife defense on them?

It is as taught to SEAL teams and such?

Listen, buddy

i also do a martial art outside airsoft and I'm sure others know how to defend themselves too.
If a zombie hops on me in dark mist, sure i have the option to throw him off me or do some kind of arm lock but one can only role play so much before it becomes assault. I think "Take your hits" covers this.
You mean to tell me that you will turn your martial arts training on a kid who comes up to you with a rubber bayonet (which can NOT break bones by the way) and potentially injure him? possibly, ironically enough to break HIS bones?
Sorry man, airsoft is a game. And a game it will remain. Take your knife hit and respawn like the rest of us. If someone tries to bang kill you do you wrestle the gun out of their hands and shoot them? I'm telling you, instead of going to a marshal, they'd nearly be going to the guards to take you off site.

FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE: Martial Arts are NOT AIRSOFT accessories instructors dont think they have to tell students this, because they believe that students have common sense.

Leftyflip

Have you ever been smashed across the fingers with a rubber knife? That'll break a bone, unless fingers don't have bones...

CaptainPrice

Leftyflip wrote: »

Have you ever been smashed across the fingers with a rubber knife? That'll break a bone, unless fingers don't have bones...

Im going to assume by that that you yourself have been "smashed across the fingers with a rubber knife" then?
Do you suffer from a bone disease or something?
and last time i checked, "stabby stabby" kills or knives in general are not used to "smash" in the first place.
Maybe you are talking about a wooden handle on it or something but which means the knifer actually means to hurt you. (or at least point out what an idiot you were for not wearing gloves)
If he means to hit you with a "smash" weapon then by all means go ahead and get Deise Musashi and use your Krav Maga to break his arms and legs, because smashing your fingers doesnt sound like a knife kill or a tag kill. Maybe the guy just doesnt like you. Were you arguing a completely retarded point with him on site?

Leftyflip

CaptainPrice wrote: »

Im going to assume by that that you yourself have been "smashed across the fingers with a rubber knife" then?
Do you suffer from a bone disease or something?
and last time i checked, "stabby stabby" kills or knives in general are not used to "smash" in the first place.
Maybe you are talking about a wooden handle on it or something but which means the knifer actually means to hurt you. (or at least point out what an idiot you were for not wearing gloves)
If he means to hit you with a "smash" weapon then by all means go ahead and get Deise Musashi and use your Krav Maga to break his arms and legs, because smashing your fingers doesnt sound like a knife kill or a tag kill. Maybe the guy just doesnt like you. Were you arguing a completely retarded point with him on site?

A few years ago yeah I was, trust me, if you get enough force behind it, it can break fingers.

And lad, if you wanna call me an idiot, say it to my face.

andy_g

Lads try not get personal on thread.

Everyone knows common sense should prevail and a knife kill be a tap on the back or shoulder with a hand.

Look how this is done in the US.

CaptainPrice

Leftyflip wrote: »

A few years ago yeah I was, trust me, if you get enough force behind it, it can break fingers.

And lad, if you wanna call me an idiot, say it to my face.

wow im sure you wear gloves now anyway. how much force was that guy using? i have made a few knife kills and it usually involves poking or jabbing the target with a rubber or soft plastic prop (in my case a knife)
I also aim for a nice centre mass "tag" as opposed to aiming for the fingers and going to break bones.
Completely asides from the whole point about knives made of rubber imparing ones abillity to masturbate for a while, the reason I posted on this thread was to tell Deise Musashi that martial arts is used for self defence, not airsoft. Its a mock warzone not a bar brawl afterall.
Now, on the point of me calling you an idiot, I believe there is no reference of me insulting your level of intelligence (or rather implying the contrary if i were to insinuate you were an idiot)
There is no personal "dig" at you. I was saying that based on the reason above (NOT judo-flipping a fellow airsofter), the whole concept of being able to break bones with a rubber instrument by correct use of the knife kill is all heresay.
As to saying something to your face, sadly I do not posess a picture of your face to talk to. And since I have not seen you in real life, no such item exists. while I meant no offence at all to you personally, you can feel free to meet up for some coffee this week. Im supposed to meet Renas aswell for some reason. something about me asking why he was attempting to profit off toshibas SVD.
But I digress.
Martial arts in airsoft= NO

Arkslippy

Knife kill should be a poke with a finger, no more, besides of I saw some one come at me with knife, is be shooting them first. If someone sneaked up and stabbed me, I wouldn't take hit, because its not part of the game, why not just throw furniture and rocks while we are at it.

bullets

What the heck happened to just saying "bang" for
getting your bang kill in? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
(or if you've really managed realistically to sneak up so close to someone that they cant hear you coming and your within touching distance, gently whisper "Bang" in
their ear just to show off!! )
~B

kevinhalvey

i know the idea of a crossbow is out as you need a liscense to use one and even putting soft tips on them could still be dangerous and bo`s are also another hazard also there quite big so you not going to want to be carrying that :rolleyes:

the idea of knief kills are still good but a tap on the shoulder i think would be just if not better as by the time you spot the target take out your knief and try and knief him him or another one of his team may have spotted you and bullets (bbs) beat knieves .

i personally think and several of you may agree throwing knieves are quite dangerous for airsoft as i wouldnt like the idea of a rubber or plastic or silicone to the face also its not practical . even in the war time knives are a last resort and probobly dont see tha regular of action .

AlternateID

CaptainPrice wrote: »

i have made a few knife kills and it usually involves poking or jabbing the target with a rubber or soft plastic prop (in my case a knife)

Arkslippy wrote: »

Knife kill should be a poke with a finger, no more,

CaptainPrice/Arkslippy

Both of you are incorrect. The accepted method of knife kill in airsoft is to place your hand on the shoulder or back of the enemy and say knife or knife kill.

tudenham10

AlternateID wrote: »

CaptainPrice/Arkslippy

Both of you are incorrect. The accepted method of knife kill in airsoft is to place your hand on the shoulder or back of the enemy and say knife or knife kill.

+1

Might I also add, this takes a lot more skill than anything that's projectile based, I've been a victim to it and have been more than happy to take the kill!

hrta

One should take a good read of this, if there thinking of making any products,

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1991/en/act/pub/0028/print.html#sec6

And you might to have a word with these guys,

http://www.algoodbody.com/en_area/practice-areas-product-liability.aspx

Paul.

TheDoc

If someone hit me with an arrow or a throwing knife, I'd call hit and then give them a high five

I'd then apologise to everyone on the field, pack up my gear and go home.

I'd then send a formal written apology to the site owner expressing my deepest sorrows for being such a ****ter that my gun was outdone by a knife.

I still rage when I'm forced to take a hit from grendes just because they " go off".

It wouldn't bother me either way, I wouldn't be freaking out over it and I wouldnt stomp off a game because of it because generally I just dont care and I'm not into that cotton wool ****e.

I respect there are rules to be adhered too and I'm very much not trying to act "da hard man", but I think most people are such care bares about it, its simply not worth while caring or wasting your time.

Most sites flip a lid when you have a fake knife attached to your kit, so I pretty much said **** that and gave up any out of the box ideas that I had.

I also get a bit of a chuckle at the " it ruins the realism" arguement. A knife would be very much, bread and butter kit for any infantry loadout. And I'm not even talking about using, but most sites and marshalls flip a period if they see one. Not to mention players having a go, sure theres still people in this game having a winge over patches or flags or insignia.

Its something for the future, or closed of private games/milsims where they have a purpose.

There is literally more pressing issues with airsoft equipment thats allowed to be used that when you sit back and think, is just damaging for the sport in the long term, kills realism and makes the game seriously ****.

My main gripes, which pretty much will never change because the rules wont change are.

Taking hits from grenades that don't even fire projectiles.
If your grenade isnt well maintained and a **** brand and ****s up upon detonation, tough ****. Something going "bang" shouldnt constitute me taking a hit, especially when the only skill involved is recognising you dont throw the pin.

Large capacity mags / box mags on assault rifles
We have been down this route, but I'm pretty much done listening to the opposite side cause there is no valid arguement. Bull****, wreck the idea and fun of the game, should not be allowed.

As much as the game is about " doing what you feel comfortable with" it should not be " do what you like". The game should very much promote and encourage skill and reward those with some.

Not rewarding players with the most money for BB's, the biggest mag and the fastest rate of fire.

ED E

TheDoc wrote: »

Not rewarding players with the most money for BB's, the biggest mag and the fastest rate of fire.

Biggest hate. 25RPS 2500rnd M4s drive me up the wall.

MagicIRL

Semi-Auto
Saves me money too. 1 AEG, 1 Pistol, 5 Mid Caps and 4 Pistol Mags. I also carry a knife too, mainly for asthetic purposes as it looks nice hanging off my belt. I've never gotten a knife kill, generally I prefare to actually shoot my target with my pistol if Im within close range as, well, thats what the pistol is designed for.

Bang kills annoy me as there is always a fight one way or another, I go out to play airsoft, to be shot, to get mucky, to have fun. If someone shoots me up close, tough, such is the game. Im not going to magically die from a verbal word. (Unless of coarse the bang kill is within reason, i.e. the person if looking right at me, or close enough that the BB would most definetly cause bleeding.)

As for Knife kills, sure why not. If someone manages to get close enough too me to touch me then they deserve the kill. They'd probally get a verbal reward from myself and then I would proceed to hunt them down. But aside from that, I don't see a major problem using a knife as a medium for attaining a kill.

Surely the procedure is as follow:
Player1 sneaks up on another player.
Player1 reaches out with the knife and manages to tap/poke the other Player1 on the arm/leg/chest with the knife while saying "Knife Kill".
Player2 silently takes his/her hit and respawns.

I cannot see how that could cause anyone to believe that they need to weild some form of ninjutsu or kickboxing technique to defend themselves. You are not being charged by some idiot with a knife, the Player with the knife is not going to strike you hard enough to warrant any form of revenge. (Saying that, and rereading what I've just written, Im sure there is some idiot out there that will do all the above- a sort of exception that proves the rule, if you would.)

To sum it all up; Use a knife if you want. Use your hand if you want. A Knife kill is a bang kill only it envolves contact to take place. I would pressume its up to the site owner to declare if "Knfie Kills" must be taken or not (i.e. like a Bang! kill), ring up and find out before you travel to avoid a complete overreaction and letter-based retort.

goblin59

I would agree on the same, knife kills should be made with the hand on the shoulder, though there are times where i have been "knifed" by being poked in the side and told knife, i took the kill though because i seen that from the position my killer was in, being able to reach my shoulder was impossible as he was under a table.

The huge box mags are a novelty, when i moved on from my sniper rifle to AEG's, all i had was two hi-cap mags for a masada running off a 9.6v,
from playing a game in HRTA i found playing with the real caps was far too much fun, so now i never use hi-caps opting out for 7 30rd mags, although i do hav 8 m9 mags on myself as well. i find in the game, the novelty is now having to think can i go into the next room and should i swap mags incase im in a fire fight with multiple people.

sliabh

Funny where this thread ended up (knife kill techniques, whether to accept bang kills and the perennial box mag rant) when it started out with someone asking whether people were okay with him modifying a real bow to use in games

Keegan

Back to the original question....

If I'm in a larp (say midway for example) then I wouldn't mind (as long as it's safe) as the setting is one were not everyone in the game world would have an automatic assault rifle.

If it's a regular skirmish then I wouldn't like to see axe throws, bows etc....I'm here to play airsoft.

Villafan6

You guys are talking about being killed by Rubber knifes and stuff,but that's nothing I got killed by a ****ING CHAINSAW ! in Fingal airsoft a while ago, scary stuff but so fun

Vents

Villafan6 wrote: »

You guys are talking about being killed by Rubber knifes and stuff,but that's nothing I got killed by a ****ING CHAINSAW ! in Fingal airsoft a while ago, scary stuff but so fun

CONTEXT ALERT! This was during the (airsoft) world famous Dark Mist Horror survival night game.

Villafan6

what a night that was

fayer

I simply dont trust the players to use things like plastic knives. Most are fine, some are idiots and it only takes one. Physical contact is opening the door for issues.

I have played several games where you can be taken prisoner by placing your hand on the shoulder of the wounded player. Twice I can say the person who attempted to take me prisoner went far over board, once I was dragged along the ground before I could get to my feet, the other time I was lifted and dragged by my tac vest, under protest the player would not stop and my vest ripped.

I not one for the think of the children attitude, but if people cannot be trusted to control them selves I really dont want them coming at me with any kinda prop.