UCD resit fee extortionate

Blatter · 16-12-2010 7:09pm #1

It costs €230 to resit an exam in UCD. Where on earth do they get this figure from.

I'm pretty sure the likes of UL and UCC, aswell as most of the others are no where near this figure.

Absolute disgrace, something should be done about this:mad:

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 7:11pm

Well study and dont fail the exam and you wont have to pay, tis pretty simple.

highlydebased · 16-12-2010 7:12pm

UL is 170 I think..

Blatter · 16-12-2010 7:19pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Well study and dont fail the exam and you wont have to pay, tis pretty simple.

Not everyone fails exams because of a lack of study.

Many mature students have a really hard time getting back into the swing of things and it's not uncommon for them to fail a few, especially in first year.

There are also weaker students who are not as intelligent as you apperently are and are not guaranteed of passing with buckets of study.

jripper · 16-12-2010 7:25pm

Thats just typical money grabbing ucd. Yeah it cripples a lot of students financially esp those who don't have mammy and daddy paying their way for them.

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 7:27pm

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Not everyone fails exams because of a lack of study.

Many mature students have a really hard time getting back into the swing of things and it's not uncommon for them to fail a few, especially in first year.

There are also weaker students who are not as intelligent as you apperently are and are not guaranteed of passing with buckets of study.

I was a standard i.e. post LC college student and also a mature student last year, yes parts were tough but if you put the work in you will pass.

And if you do buckets of study and still fail maybe the course isnt for that person.

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 7:35pm

That's irrelevant. Why you fail your exam's doesn't matter. Compared to any other University, UCD's resit charges are extortionate. Simple as. DIT I think is only 60 or so and (I could be wrong but I think I heard) that's inclusive of all the repeats. Trinity is free. I'm not too sure about DCU. There is only so much you can excuse it as an "incentive". Bottom line - it's plain greedy

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 7:41pm

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

That's irrelevant. Why you fail your exam's doesn't matter. Compared to any other University, UCD's resit charges are extortionate. Simple as. DIT I think is only 60 or so and (I could be wrong but I think I heard) that's inclusive of all the repeats. Trinity is free. I'm not too sure about DCU. There is only so much you can excuse it as an "incentive". Bottom line - it's plain greedy

So what if the others are cheaper UCD is entitled to charge what it wants to go through the organisation of repeats, have you any idea how much invigilators get paid? Quite a lot let me tell you.

As i said if you dont fail you dont nee to re-sit. If there was something medically wrong with you most colleges will waive the fee.

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 7:50pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

So what if the others are cheaper UCD is entitled to charge what it wants to go through the organisation of repeats, have you any idea how much invigilators get paid? Quite a lot let me tell you.

As i said if you dont fail you dont nee to re-sit. If there was something medically wrong with you most colleges will waive the fee.

Alright now you're getting arrogant and offensive. Get down off your high horse there buddy.

Yeah, they are entitled to charge what they want. So is every other university. Just because they are entitled to do it doesn't mean they should or even that it's moral. Registration fee's are being increased, people don't have any money to spare after everything that's gone on. I work two jobs, I'm going to have repeats and it's not coming out of my parents pockets. There is going to be (and already has been) an amount of people dropping out because they can't afford to pay for 3rd level education anymore. The money isn't there to throw around anymore and €230 per subject is ****ing ridiculous

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 7:58pm

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

Alright now you're getting arrogant and offensive. Get down off your high horse there buddy.

Yeah, they are entitled to charge what they want. So is every other university. Just because they are entitled to do it doesn't mean they should or even that it's moral. Registration fee's are being increased, people don't have any money to spare after everything that's gone on. I work two jobs, I'm going to have repeats and it's not coming out of my parents pockets. There is going to be (and already has been) an amount of people dropping out because they can't afford to pay for 3rd level education anymore. The money isn't there to throw around anymore and €230 per subject is ****ing ridiculous

No i'm not, at one stage when i was in UCD, I was working nights and then going to college during the day as i was so broke, i still passed because i didnt fancy having to shell out for repeats.

And may i say i had it quite a site more difficult than you had it now, there was no semesterised exams when i was there. The courses before xmas you had to do in May so in first year for example I had 14 exams over the exam period.
If money is so tight and you dont want to pay for repeats you need to focus on passing first time, you may think its arrogant, i think its logical.

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 8:00pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

No i'm not, at one stage when i was in UCD, I was working nights and then going to college during the day as i was so broke, i still passed because i didnt fancy having to shell out for repeats.

And may i say i had it quite a site more difficult than you had it now, there was no semesterised exams when i was there. The courses before xmas you had to do in May so in first year for example I had 14 exams over the exam period.
If money is so tight and you dont want to pay for repeats you need to focus on passing first time, you may think its arrogant, i think its logical.

You're completely missing the point. €230 is too much money to charge to resit an exam

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 8:02pm

Says who?

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 8:04pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Says who?

Shall we put up a poll?

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 8:06pm

Please do, but also put in the option, do you think its extortionate when you already have had 1 chance at the exam.

MagicMarker · 16-12-2010 8:08pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Says who?

Says people who get the point?

Sure why not make it €800 to re-sit an exam?

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 8:08pm

Please do, but also put in the option, do you think its extortionate when you already have had 1 chance at the exam

Yeah that would be implied by Resit.

errlloyd · 16-12-2010 8:13pm

I believe its 250 now btw. 230 was the wrong number, it came out of John Logue's manifesto, and I remember on Williamson getting elected in went up 10. So I fairly sure its 250.

Hmm, I think if its going to be used as a deterrent it should be on a school by school basis. Personally as a law student, I think passing our exams is piss easy (its very hard to very well, its very hard to do very badly like a lot of essay based exams), I also think there is almost no excuse for it apart from sheer laziness.

However I realise that certain subjects like Engineering and Maths it could cause undue pressure on students who were struggling to grasp a concept or something. It seems unfair to punish someone for not understanding something that they may understand in time.

I believe Ag Science students should be charged 450 and made to resit even if they pass, as a general deterrent to them being here.

At the end of the day, Paddy (and the rest of the doubters). People failing exams make our degrees less valuable. And I'm ****ing working for my degree.

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 8:14pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Says people who get the point?

Sure why not make it €800 to re-sit an exam?

But you have a chance to pass, you fail they charge you to take it again which they are entitled to do. They can charge you whatever they want, you have failed the exam and they need to go through the process of administering to you a second exam.

I would go so far as to say administering a repeat to one student would probably cost about €230. I have no proof of this but when you factor in light, heat of exam area, invigilators time or two of them, the lecturer writing a second paper (and yes i know they'll just change a few digits), printing, transport to and from the exam centre.

b1788 · 16-12-2010 8:19pm

If other universities have to provide the same conditions again and only charge 170/190, ucd yes can charge what they wish but they would be able to do it for cheaper somehow.

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 8:23pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Hmm, I think if its going to be used as a deterrent it should be on a school by school basis. Personally as a law student, I think passing our exams is piss easy (its very hard to very well, its very hard to do very badly like a lot of essay based exams), I also think there is almost no excuse for it apart from sheer laziness.

However I realise that certain subjects like Engineering and Maths it could cause undue pressure on students who were struggling to grasp a concept or something. It seems unfair to punish someone for not understanding something that they may understand in time.

Again, the reason for the fail is irrelevant. It's a university. There ARE going to be failed exams and to extort as much money as possible out of it is shameful. And again, compare it to the others and it's astronomical.

errlloyd wrote: »

At the end of the day, Paddy (and the rest of the doubters). People failing exams make our degrees less valuable. And I'm ****ing working for my degree.

That's what your transcript is for. Employers will see how you did in each exam. And Trinity don't charge for resits but they don't seem to worry about the value of their degrees as a result?

helimachoptor wrote: »

But you have a chance to pass, you fail they charge you to take it again which they are entitled to do. They can charge you whatever they want, you have failed the exam and they need to go through the process of administering to you a second exam.

I would go so far as to say administering a repeat to one student would probably cost about €230. I have no proof of this but when you factor in light, heat of exam area, invigilators time or two of them, the lecturer writing a second paper (and yes i know they'll just change a few digits), printing, transport to and from the exam centre.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There are literally thousands of people in those exam rooms because resits are at the same time as every other exam.

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 8:30pm

quicklickpaddy wrote: »

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There are literally thousands of people in those exam rooms because resits are at the same time as every other exam.

No they're arent, in second year i repeated an exam as I missed the first one. There was me in in the whole science building doing the repeat, with 4 invigilators :rolleyes:. Another module there were 2 guys doing. It depends where your exam centre is. As far as i can remember the 1st year repeats arent in the RDS but i'm not sure. As you go up in years the people numbers at repeats get less as the there are more modules due to specialisation. You may have 10 subjects in a given exam hall but there maybe be 1 student per subject.

errlloyd · 16-12-2010 8:30pm

Again, the reason for the fail is irrelevant. It's a university. There ARE going to be failed exams and to extort as much money as possible out of it is shameful. And again, compare it to the others and it's astronomical.

Do you have any idea how easily UCD grant extenuating circumstance? Like they will give them for ****ing anything, anyone who has an excuse will be fine. And anyway, you are wrong. We all know the cost of the resit is 50 in admin (this came out during last years education election) and the other 200 is deterrent, so the reason why you fail is important. If you fail cause you're a lazy ****, then get the **** out of my college. If you're going to be lazy you may as well give my university 200 more euro to pay a better lecturer to benefit the rest of us.

That's what your transcript is for. Employers will see how you did in each exam. And Trinity don't charge for resits but they don't seem to worry about the value of their degrees as a result?

Don't pretend all employers care about is transcripts, the actual degree is massively important. I hate to say it, but Trinity has a slightly different Ethos. It is way more academic and therefore doesn't have the waster problem UCD has. That is unfortunately fact. You can't have you cake and eat here btw either you care about why they fail, or you are asking for cheaper laziness.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. There are literally thousands of people in those exam rooms because resits are at the same time as every other exam.

Yeah you're right his numbers were off, but I wonder how much longer it takes your lecturer to correct the 1 paper in his class that failed, then it does to correct the other ones per paper.

MagicMarker · 16-12-2010 8:32pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

But you have a chance to pass, you fail they charge you to take it again which they are entitled to do. They can charge you whatever they want, you have failed the exam and they need to go through the process of administering to you a second exam.

Why not charge €800 to re-sit?

helimachoptor wrote: »

I would go so far as to say administering a repeat to one student would probably cost about €230. I have no proof of this......

Indeed.

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 8:36pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why not charge €800 to re-sit?

Indeed.

Conveniently leave out the rest of my post where i at least try to factor in costs. Lazy attitude tbh

If €800 was charged you can be sure a lot less people would fail.

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 8:38pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Do you have any idea how easily UCD grant extenuating circumstance? Like they will give them for ****ing anything, anyone who has an excuse will be fine. And anyway, you are wrong. We all know the cost of the resit is 50 in admin (this came out during last years education election) and the other 200 is deterrent, so the reason why you fail is important. If you fail cause you're a lazy ****, then get the **** out of my college. If you're going to be lazy you may as well give my university 200 more euro to pay a better lecturer to benefit the rest of us

Your Facebook status on Tuesday:
You know what **** it, I have no regrets. Maybe I would have been better off going to some of these lectures, but judging by the book EU law is so mind boggingly boring, I am glad I didn't.
Tuesday at 01:42 · Like · Comment

Nicely done. And stop being a prick

MagicMarker · 16-12-2010 8:41pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

Conveniently leave out the rest of my post where i at least try to factor in costs. Lazy attitude tbh

If €800 was charged you can be sure a lot less people would fail.

I left it out for a reason, you tried to guess costs based on absolutely nothing, aka a load of waffle.

errlloyd · 16-12-2010 8:43pm

Hey Paddy, nice choice of exam there.

https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/w_sm_web_inf_simple_viewer.show_module?p_code=law20330

Go to "what happens if I fail"

There is no resit option there. Maybe 250 euro would have made me study harder. That said I owned that exam in the face.

helimachoptor · 16-12-2010 8:44pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

I left it out for a reason, you tried to guess costs based on absolutely nothing, aka a load of waffle.

So the invigilator provides their time free of charge? thats very nice of them. The ESB dont charge for the electricty during repeat time? How nice of them. The printing company dont charge for printing repeat papers? How nice of them.

errlloyd · 16-12-2010 8:47pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

So the invigilator provides their time free of charge? thats very nice of them. The ESB dont charge for the electricty during repeat time? How nice of them. The printing company dont charge for printing repeat papers? How nice of them.

Dude I hate to argue both sides here, but **** it may as well.

5c is at profit what copri-print charge.
Invigilators are 10e an hour, and split between everyone re-siting
Electricity costs a fcking pittance and would be on anyway
Lecturers get paid a salary so **** them they can ****ing correct it for free
Those exam books surely cost about a third of the price of copy books.

So far this resit has cost UCD about 2 euro.

MagicMarker · 16-12-2010 8:47pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

So the invigilator provides their time free of charge? thats very nice of them. The ESB dont charge for the electricty during repeat time? How nice of them. The printing company dont charge for printing repeat papers? How nice of them.

Amazingly all other colleges have these same costs, yet don't charge as much.

Try harder.

quicklickpaddy · 16-12-2010 8:48pm

If you fail cause you're a lazy ****, then get the **** out of my college. If you're going to be lazy you may as well give my university 200 more euro to pay a better lecturer to benefit the rest of us

Jesus Christ man... You're actually trying to be a prick.

I'm not getting into a petty argument. €250 is greed - not an incentive.

I'm just even gonna bother replying any more. I've said my piece.

UCD resit fee extortionate

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