SGU Cancelled

-Trek-

Overheal wrote: »

Im forced to conclude SGU intentionally got itself cancelled to replenish it's fanbase's interest.

, I have to agree, buts it is certainly working

Richard Dower

It's NOT coming back lads....fgs!!

Overheal

Richard Dower wrote: »

It's NOT coming back lads....fgs!!

the hell are you still here for?

ixoy

Richard Dower wrote: »

It's NOT coming back lads....fgs!!

Shut up with your negativity. There's plenty of reality pap and teenage drama that you can focus on now instead of bringing nothing more to this thread of worth.

Antar Bolaeisk

Not only is it bad enough that Universe is gone (for the moment at least) but it has dragged the Stargate Atlantis film with it as well, you know the one we were promised in lieu of a sixth season :mad:

Link

Tar.Aldarion

noodler

I saw seasons 3 and 4 of SGA recently and can't say I can complain - utter tripe for the most part. Nothing like the first season.

Still have 5 to see.

Conor108

MGM website has a banner up for SGU digital downloads for Xbox and Zune. Its pretty prominent in the TV section too. Hopefully earning them enough money to try get season 3 somehow

somuj

Conor108 wrote: »

MGM website has a banner up for SGU digital downloads for Xbox and Zune. Its pretty prominent in the TV section too. Hopefully earning them enough money to try get season 3 somehow

That is one big banner on the home page for SGU. Mabye there is a tiny glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

Tar.Aldarion

whoever recommended fringe thanks, me and gf have got through a full season in a few days :eek:

wayne040576

Syfy are renewing

Warehouse 13
Sanctuary
Haven
and Eureka

All of which have shoddy scripts, poor acting and are cringe inducing at the best of times. Are they really getting good ratings? Especially Sancturay. I don't know how that got renewed for a third season. And Haven was quite a disappointment, the only interesing episode being the last one.

If Fringe goes is there anything left? Although I'm not sure how much longer they can keep it going. It seems to be heading to a climax with the main story arc.

Overheal

Sanctuary has (surprise surprise) been thriving in the friday slot, right after Smackdown, go figure. Why did they do that.. why.

senordingdong

What's this obsession with the Friday night slot?

I would have assumed a sci fi show would do better in a mid week slot like it did on Sky.

ixoy

senordingdong wrote: »

What's this obsession with the Friday night

Because there wasn't much competition from other channels on a Friday night. Stargate viewers were more likely to watch it live where as if It's competing against bigger shows midweek the fans might record Stargate, which is bad for ratings.

senordingdong

Hmmm....so Stargate only succeeded in a way because there was no decent competition on a Friday?

gbee

senordingdong wrote: »

Hmmm....so Stargate only succeeded in a way because there was no decent competition on a Friday?

Stargate SG1 was sort of MacGyver reborn so it appealed to the parents of the children watching it ~ instant success potential.

SG-Atlantis had no such appeal so it had a harder battle and its slot would defiantly have been a deciding issue.

SG-U ~ ? as previously discussed.

senordingdong

gbee wrote: »

Stargate SG1 was sort of MacGyver reborn so it appealed to the parents of the children watching it ~ instant success potential.

SG-Atlantis had no such appeal so it had a harder battle and its slot would defiantly have been a deciding issue.

SG-U ~ ? as previously discussed.

Not entirely....Sg-1 had a solid fiver year block guaranteed from the get go.

Atlantis, had many of the SG1 fans.

don ramo

wayne040576 wrote: »

Syfy are renewing

Warehouse 13
Sanctuary
Haven
and Eureka

All of which have shoddy scripts, poor acting and are cringe inducing at the best of times. Are they really getting good ratings? Especially Sancturay. I don't know how that got renewed for a third season. And Haven was quite a disappointment, the only interesing episode being the last one.

If Fringe goes is there anything left? Although I'm not sure how much longer they can keep it going. It seems to be heading to a climax with the main story arc.

haven and sanctary are quiet good shows, i like eureka but SGU was by far superior than it,

i think it all just comes down to costs and ratings, eureka and haven were averageing 2 million plus viewers when they aired side by side, santuary while not having great ratings (aveageing around 1.5 million on average (im open to correction)) doesnt seem like a very expensive show to produce,

there was talk of SGU being around $2 million an episode, with lots of props and stage sets, wheras sanctuary has only one stage and 90% of the props are added in with CGI,

warehouse 13 i have no idea i dont watch it, but it must be doing good to get a renewal,

as much as i hate to say it stargate is considered syfys biggest sci-fi show, yet was only just above caprica (which is considered syfys second biggest sci-fi show) in the ratings, i put it down to bad management, with these 4 month breaks and sh1te, why cant they just show sanctuary for 20 weeks of the year on friday, and show SGU for the other 20 weeks, a full run no interuptions, take around 10 weeks off over christmass and your sorted, honestly why would you put so much money into a show only to set it up to fail,

its not other shows fault that SGU got canned, so not much point picking on them, all these show (bar caprica) are on 2nd + seasons, so they all got renewals last year, SGU missed out this year, its not fair, and i really hope MGM can pull something out here,

you also have to consider that its MGM have the rights to stargate, while syfy tmk have the right to the other shows, so syfy dont get DVD money and whatnot from stargate,

wayne040576

don ramo wrote: »

haven and sanctary are quiet good shows, i like eureka but SGU was by far superior than it,

i think it all just comes down to costs and ratings, eureka and haven were averageing 2 million plus viewers when they aired side by side, santuary while not having great ratings (aveageing around 1.5 million on average (im open to correction)) doesnt seem like a very expensive show to produce,

there was talk of SGU being around $2 million an episode, with lots of props and stage sets, wheras sanctuary has only one stage and 90% of the props are added in with CGI,

warehouse 13 i have no idea i dont watch it, but it must be doing good to get a renewal,

as much as i hate to say it stargate is considered syfys biggest sci-fi show, yet was only just above caprica (which is considered syfys second biggest sci-fi show) in the ratings, i put it down to bad management, with these 4 month breaks and sh1te, why cant they just show sanctuary for 20 weeks of the year on friday, and show SGU for the other 20 weeks, a full run no interuptions, take around 10 weeks off over christmass and your sorted, honestly why would you put so much money into a show only to set it up to fail,

its not other shows fault that SGU got canned, so not much point picking on them, all these show (bar caprica) are on 2nd + seasons, so they all got renewals last year, SGU missed out this year, its not fair, and i really hope MGM can pull something out here,

you also have to consider that its MGM have the rights to stargate, while syfy tmk have the right to the other shows, so syfy dont get DVD money and whatnot from stargate,

Wasn't so much picking on them as baffled by their ratings success. Sanctuary and haven seem quite dated in the way they're presented. I can't quite put a finger on what the problem is with them. They're ok for what they do but they both struck as show that were doomed for cancellation.

I was going to try to explain the problems I have with Haven but I'll leave that for the Haven thread in television.

don ramo

wayne040576 wrote: »

Wasn't so much picking on them as baffled by their ratings success. Sanctuary and haven seem quite dated in the way they're presented. I can't quite put a finger on what the problem is with them. They're ok for what they do but they both struck as show that were doomed for cancellation.

I was going to try to explain the problems I have with Haven but I'll leave that for the Haven thread in television.

obviously there not dated, haven is episodic with an underlyng story, like any random generic episodic show like any CSI, and Law and Order show, it just has a supernatural twist, it has an audience that will be attraced to it,

sanctuary for me this season is almost running identically with fringe, theres being one hugh arc, and the abnormal of the week that both shows have done for the past 2 seasons seem to have taken a step back and both shows are starting to show there true potential,

santuary is concentrating on the hollow earth city, and fringe on the alt-reality, boths shows are consumed in an arc that rolls from one episode to another, with consequeces in one episode effecting the next, no reset buttons as of yet,

SGU done this also but i think it failed mainly that it entered such an insurmountable arc right from the get go, while sanctary and fringe have built up a fanbase with there generic formula early on in there series, giving fans a chance to get to know the carcaters, while also being able to afford to miss an episode here and there, Uiverse dove right into an arc, if you missed one or two episode youd wonder why is wray pushing a cou now, why is rush on an alien spaceship, things like that,

if MGM do manage to green-light season 3 i do believe wed see a change in direction for the show,

Overheal

senordingdong wrote: »

Hmmm....so Stargate only succeeded in a way because there was no decent competition on a Friday?

Essentially. Traditionally stargate was always aired during the off-season (Summer). Here however, SyFy pulled a stupid and aired SGU alongside Network Broadcasting Fall Lineups.

Then, in another round of stupid, they broke up the season into 2 parts so there was in theory, never a big lull between 2 seasons. This worked for SG1 and SGA, but they weren't Serial Shows, they were Episodic. For the same reason FOX always waited until later in the year - after the standard Fall lineup - to begin airing the new season of 24: it's something you can't split. Unless you're stupid.

Essentially it was the deconstruction of the SciFi Friday (which was BSG, SGA/SG1, and Sanctuary) that spelled its doom. Not that much happens on other channels on fridays, and even nerds watch other shows. SFF represented a 3-hour block of "must see" science fiction. And look what SFF did for those 3 shows: BSG was a resounding success; Sanctuary is going strong, and SGA essentially died only because the producers wanted to begin SGU and decided, or were told, to focus on one series only. The quality of both SG1 and SGA side by side, admittedly, ****ed both shows over. The producers agreed and decided to turn SGA into a DVD-Movie situation, but this fell through after the 2008 recession and the crash in DVD sales (plans are still there to produce the films however).

For some reason SyFy pulled a stupid though, and after airing Caprica, SGU and Sanctuary back to back in the beginning, they panicked and moved Caprica and SGU to Tuesdays, either because of low ratings or, if you ask me, because they were securing a deal with WWE. Gateworld also reported that SyFy moved them to Tuesday 'confident' that SGU and caprica could carry their own ratings. But evidently they failed to account for reality, or whatever else was on Television. Like the World Series, NCIS or whatever else takes your fancy. Toss in DVR and the other way in which I suspect that over half of the regulars here ingest the show online <_< and you have a good idea of what happened.

Goldstein

Speculative Fiction on TV is dead. It's been drifting that way for a while now due to out-of-date Nielson bias. Appealing to the lowest common denominator viewer is all they do now with the remaining "sci-fi" shows.

Good science fiction and tv are now mutually exclusive entities. A model like HBO's is the only hope.

red dave

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
can't believe this shít

it's a top show for me and this is just so dissapointing to hear

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Overheal

red dave wrote: »

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
can't believe this shít

it's a top show for me and this is just so dissapointing to hear

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

we need to edit the thread title or something..

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/12/mgm-reboot-complete-financing-secured-for-new-productions/

It's no guarantee but it suggests a possibility

Antar Bolaeisk

Overheal wrote: »

we need to edit the thread title or something..

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/12/mgm-reboot-complete-financing-secured-for-new-productions/

It's no guarantee but it suggests a possibility

Damn you Overheal, I got all excited as I thought that was going to be new news, not old news. I hate you :mad:

Teutorix

Redisle wrote: »

FFS!!! One of the best shows on atm and certainly syfy's best!!

Lol no, SGU was terrible, sure im sad to see it cancelled but it was no where near the best show on tv, not even nearly syfy's best show

ixoy

Teutorix wrote: »

Lol no, SGU was terrible, sure im sad to see it cancelled but it was no where near the best show on tv, not even nearly syfy's best show

Obviously I'll disagree but really what on SyFy is better?

Anita Blow

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Richard Dower

Can't belive you guys are still discussing this....move on lads!

-Trek-

*sigh*

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

Can't belive you guys are still discussing this....move on lads!

cant believe your still reading this,:rolleyes:

Anita Blow

Richard Dower wrote: »

move on lads!

That's a bit ironic

MarkR

Richard Dower wrote: »

Can't belive you guys are still discussing this....move on lads!

If you don't want to read it, don't read it. Let others discuss it in peace.

ixoy

Richard Dower wrote: »

Can't belive you guys are still discussing this....move on lads!

Richard, if you've nothing to contribute of worth, but keep posting and riling people, I will quite happily move you off the thread. One more post telling people to "move on" will be enough.

senordingdong

Overheal wrote: »

Essentially. Traditionally stargate was always aired during the off-season (Summer). Here however, SyFy pulled a stupid and aired SGU alongside Network Broadcasting Fall Lineups.

Then, in another round of stupid, they broke up the season into 2 parts so there was in theory, never a big lull between 2 seasons. This worked for SG1 and SGA, but they weren't Serial Shows, they were Episodic. For the same reason FOX always waited until later in the year - after the standard Fall lineup - to begin airing the new season of 24: it's something you can't split. Unless you're stupid.

Essentially it was the deconstruction of the SciFi Friday (which was BSG, SGA/SG1, and Sanctuary) that spelled its doom. Not that much happens on other channels on fridays, and even nerds watch other shows. SFF represented a 3-hour block of "must see" science fiction. And look what SFF did for those 3 shows: BSG was a resounding success; Sanctuary is going strong, and SGA essentially died only because the producers wanted to begin SGU and decided, or were told, to focus on one series only. The quality of both SG1 and SGA side by side, admittedly, ****ed both shows over. The producers agreed and decided to turn SGA into a DVD-Movie situation, but this fell through after the 2008 recession and the crash in DVD sales (plans are still there to produce the films however).

For some reason SyFy pulled a stupid though, and after airing Caprica, SGU and Sanctuary back to back in the beginning, they panicked and moved Caprica and SGU to Tuesdays, either because of low ratings or, if you ask me, because they were securing a deal with WWE. Gateworld also reported that SyFy moved them to Tuesday 'confident' that SGU and caprica could carry their own ratings. But evidently they failed to account for reality, or whatever else was on Television. Like the World Series, NCIS or whatever else takes your fancy. Toss in DVR and the other way in which I suspect that over half of the regulars here ingest the show online <_< and you have a good idea of what happened.

Sums it up indeed.

Though I have to admit that I only got into Sg1 through syndication, so SyFy kinda shot themselves in the foot in that regard.

So any word on what network is picking it up?

Richard Dower

ixoy wrote: »

Richard, if you've nothing to contribute of worth, but keep posting and riling people, I will quite happily move you off the thread. One more post telling people to "move on" will be enough.

What's left to add?....it's been cancelled, and i personally can't see any network picking it up with the horrid ratings it had.

Johnmb

Richard Dower wrote: »

What's left to add?....it's been cancelled, and i personally can't see any network picking it up with the horrid ratings it had.

While I don't think it will be picked up, I do think there are many potential places for it to be picked up. Some channels would consider its ratings to be a success, obviously not the main networks, but some other cable channels. Also, while I don't rate the intelligence of network execs too highly in general, it doesn't take a genius to see where Syfy fcuked up with SGU, so another main channel/network may want it, and figure that if they treat it in the obvious way (no huge mid season gaps, not put up against other network mainstays, etc.) it could bring in a decent audience. I actually think it could do well on a Friday night up against Smackdown, as I don't think they are after the same fanbase, so there would only be a relatively small subset of fans who would have to choose between watching one or the other, most would only actually watch one regardless as to whether or not they clashed. One big problem SGU has had, and has been shown by many in this thread who were upset about its cancellation, was that it took too long to get going. The amount of posts that contain something along the lines of "just as it was starting to take off". It is a season and a half old, it shouldn't be just starting to take off, it should be well under way! But now that it has started to have a bit of humour and sci-fi, it could become good enough to hold non-fans attention, and there might be a half intelligent network exec who realises that potential. A lot will probably depend on the second half of the season, and whether or not it keeps on in this direction. There is time, as a new channel would not repeat the mistakes of Syfy (I assume) so season 3 wouldn't be starting until next year, so pre-production wouldn't have to start for a while.

Anita Blow

Richard Dower wrote: »

What's left to add?....it's been cancelled, and i personally can't see any network picking it up with the horrid ratings it had.

Nobody is forcing you to reply or read. Until MGM announce the cancellation fully, people can continue to talk about their personal opinions. Still 10 episodes left to discuss anyway

GSPfan

Just to piss Richard Dower off....

Brian Jacob Smiths twitter says
"who said no more sgu?? Network canceled it, not the studio. The fat lady hasn't sung yet, and I'm hopeful there'll be a movie. "

He answers a lot of questions on his twitter to fans asking about SGU and his response is always along the lines of - "They are trying very hard and we all have our fingers crossed."

senordingdong

A movie.......jaysus.....the Sci Fi genre as a whole needs to let go of this romantic interest in movie continuations.

Richard Dower

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/11/stargate-universe-syfy-.html


“‘SGU’ seems to be a love it or hate it sort of show. You obviously fall in the latter camp, but fortunately there are enough viewers and reviewers who think ‘SGU’ is neither boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after ‘V’ is just a letter in the alphabet again.”

SGU was already cancelled and it is nice to see, that “V” is still more than a letter in the alphabet!

noodler

Jesus, what a stupid thing for Wright to say.

GarethWA

Richard Dower wrote: »

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/11/stargate-universe-syfy-.html


“‘SGU’ seems to be a love it or hate it sort of show. You obviously fall in the latter camp, but fortunately there are enough viewers and reviewers who think ‘SGU’ is neither boring, poorly plotted, or sexist to keep us on the air long after ‘V’ is just a letter in the alphabet again.”

SGU was already cancelled and it is nice to see, that “V” is still more than a letter in the alphabet!

Richard, as you expressed to the rest of us on more than one occasion...
MOVE ON!

It's bad enough you decide it's dead before it is, posting threads that annoy almost everyone else that uses the SG forum, but then you come here telling us to get over it when we wanna look to the future and the possibilities of something else after season 2.

As if that wasn't bad enough, you decide that a news article from 2 months ago is just about enough 'moving on' for yourself, but the rest of us need to shut up about SGU?

You are not better than the rest of us for correctly predicting that SGU would not get renewed for a third season, you are merely a negative, pessimistic pain in the @$$ that happened to get something right!

noodler

GarethWA wrote: »

As if that wasn't bad enough, you decide that a news article from 2 months ago is just about enough 'moving on' for yourself, but the rest of us need to shut up about SGU?

Ah here now, scale it back their Gar.

Antar Bolaeisk

GarethWA wrote: »

snip

The easiest and best solution is just to add him to your ignore list, that way even if he does come in here baiting everyone we don't have to read it

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

GarethWA wrote: »

You are not better than the rest of us for correctly predicting that SGU would not get renewed for a third season, you are merely a negative, pessimistic pain in the @$$ that happened to get something right!

actually i think you'll find that he is. while the rest of you were beating your heads against the wall to convince yourselves that sgu was the new best and brightest richard actually went and looked at the figures and in the end was proven correct. Whereas you with all your faithful devotion got nothing except an obvious sense of bitterness that he was right and you were wrong.

GarethWA

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

actually i think you'll find that he is. while the rest of you were beating your heads against the wall to convince yourselves that sgu was the new best and brightest richard actually went and looked at the figures and in the end was proven correct. Whereas you with all your faithful devotion got nothing except an obvious sense of bitterness that he was right and you were wrong.

He didn't want to discuss the episodes, he just wanted to talk figures and annoy people. When other people were discussing the merits and pitfalls of the writing, acting, and other key aspects that make up any tv show, he brought the tone down with constant pessimism and defeatism.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

he did discuss the episodes as they happened, fairly often

and in light of recent events it's hard to view his pessimism as anything other than justified.

all thats happening here is a load of fans of the show losing their objectivity and lashing out at a person that tried to drag them back down to earth so they'd have a softer landing when they eventually crashed back down to earth

Overheal

I just dont understand why he continues to post. When I lost interest in Heroes (ie. when it really began to suck) I didn't stick around the forums an extra 6 months just to cheerlead it's demise. I just stopped watching and stopped reading, found something else to do with my time. At most I popped in between seasons to see if it ever returned to greatness, but by that time too many people were obsessed with Lost to give a damn either. .

ixoy

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

all thats happening here is a load of fans of the show losing their objectivity and lashing out at a person that tried to drag them back down to earth so they'd have a softer landing when they eventually crashed back down to earth

I think what some people are seeing is that it isn't a sense that it's done to be nice to us, more that it's a case of "Told ya so!" with a sense of superiority because of an interest in ratings (not limited just to SGU).

People now want to have some hope - after all possiblities have not been exhausted.

If you think it's all over and there's nothing new than you've made the point: fine, leave the thread and stop posting as it adds nothing new.
If you're interested in seeing if there's something up next, then that's what the thread is now in place for until there's an absolute definitive.