Benitez Sacked?

Handsome Bob

Fuhrer wrote: »

So you know Xabi better than he knows himself?

No, but what I do know is that there are two sides to every story, as well as the fact that people will use the media to put the best possible spin on a story in their favour.

ilovelamp2000

101001 wrote: »

That is EXACTLY! My take on the Johnson debacle. Rafa was working in an extremely weird financial environmet trying to buy players. Not having the actual cash to do so and having to make these weird complicated deals. The Aquilani transfer is anotther case in point.

Liverpool would never have seen that money for Crouch and if the possibilty even existed then the chances were extremely slim. In my opinion it was a fair enough move

How was the Aquilani transfer deal weird and complicated ?

Do you not realise that about 95% of transfers are paid in installments ?

Fuhrer

LZ5by5 wrote: »

No, but what I do know is that there are two sides to every story, as well as the fact that people will use the media to put the best possible spin on a story in their favour.

So you have one side, the direct reasoning from the player and the other side, the made up fantasy in your head.


Its good to know for future reference the kind of reasoning you take.

The Muppet

BastardPrince wrote: »

where is this god like worship that you speak of? some people defend his record when its attack unjustly, yes absolutely god like... :rolleyes:
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Some of it can no longer post but I,m sure is still here.;)

You're in denial if you think Rafa worship does not exist here. Defend his record, last time he won anything of note was 2006 and yes I know inter won the world club championship.

blinding

Benitez drags Liverpool to "seventh" last year and leaves the club with a crock of rubbish players.

He goes to Inter Milan who have just won the treble and he has them well down the league.

Has Benitez got some kind of mind bending power and if he has he should be using it on his players and not some of the Liverpool supporters.

The man kept chopping and changing his team in the competition (the league) that is most important to win.

The man could have been a Man Utd resistance fighter sent in by Alex Ferguson to undermine Liverpool in the league. If that was his role he was good at it.;)

super_furry

The Muppet wrote: »

Defend his record, last time he won anything of note was 2006 and yes I know inter won the world club championship.

So on that basis, Arsene Wenger is a worse manager than Benitez?

Handsome Bob

Fuhrer wrote: »

So you have one side, the direct reasoning from the player and the other side, the made up fantasy in your head.


Its good to know for future reference the kind of reasoning you take.

Let me ask you this my sarcastic pal, if Xabi thought Rafa was such a ****, then why did he end up playing the best football of his life under Rafa in the 08/09 season? It seems to me that Rafa lit a fire underneath a player who performed poorly for two previous seasons. Excellent man management imho.

Fuhrer

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Let me ask you this my sarcastic pal, if thought Rafa was such a ****, then why did he end up playing the best football of his life under Rafa in the 08/09 season? It seems to me that Rafa lit a fire underneath a player who performed poorly for two previous seasons. Excellent man management imho.

Putting himself in the shop window so a better club would come and get him?


Doesnt matter if Rafa encouraged him to play that way, doing so made it so that all he wanted to do was get out, which is shockingly bad man management.

The Muppet

101001 wrote: »

Are you saying gerrard never reached his true potential as a player? WoW! Just check out his individual awards as a player Repeatedly Uefa team of the year. Repeatedly voted top ten players in the world and europe. I shudder to think what kind of Imortal he couldve become.

I'd imagine he's saying Gerrard doesn't have the awards he really wanted or that his talent deserved..

The Muppet

super_furry wrote: »

So on that basis, Arsene Wenger is a worse manager than Benitez?

If I had wanted to say that I would have, theres a lot of that crap seeping in here lately, how about replying to what is actually posted instead of making some nonsensicle extrapolation from it and replying to that.

To reply to your post Arsen Wenger didn't spend over £250 million on players so if you wish to make a comparison I suggest you do so using all information .

doc_17

The Muppet wrote: »

If I had wanted to say that I would have, theres a lot of that crap seeping in here lately, how about replying to what is actually posted instead of making some nonsensicle extrapolation from it and replying to that.

To reply to your post Arsen Wenger didn't spend over £250 million on players so if you wish to make a comparison I suggest you do so using all information .

No point giving out about crap being posted when you're responsible for quite a bit of it because of your stirring.

People don't agree with you - tough. Get over it! Don't be saying it's crap cos it's not your opinion! Happy Christmas!

The Muppet

doc_17 wrote: »

No point giving out about crap being posted when you're responsible for quite a bit of it because of your stirring.

People don't agree with you - tough. Get over it! Don't be saying it's crap cos it's not your opinion! Happy Christmas!

Who's giving out ? I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I do if they claim I said things which I didn't in fact say. I'd imagine most people would have a problem with that, perhaps you're different.

Chardee MacDennis

Fuhrer wrote: »

Last page, someone saying that he was worth every penny of his 15 million pay off.

one poster said that, which i can only imagine was togue in cheek even if it wasnt thats far from being worshipped like a god. the fact you think like this shows you how biased you are...

Fuhrer

BastardPrince wrote: »

one poster said that, which i can only imagine was togue in cheek even if it wasnt thats far from being worshipped like a god. the fact you think like this shows you how biased you are...

Jesus ****ing christ...

Chardee MacDennis

Fuhrer wrote: »

Jesus ****ing christ...

whats that now?

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

If I had wanted to say that I would have, theres a lot of that crap seeping in here lately, how about replying to what is actually posted instead of making some nonsensicle extrapolation from it and replying to that.

To reply to your post Arsen Wenger didn't spend over £250 million on players so if you wish to make a comparison I suggest you do so using all information .

Why does Rafa bother you so much muppet, it seems a bit personal, you must have posted about 40 times on this thread, he got to you did he?

noodler

Fuhrer wrote: »

Johnson cost 18 million, not less, 18 million.

This, in fairness.

Whatever about Alonso, can we stop pretending Johnson didn't cost 18m?

niallo27

Fuhrer wrote: »

Putting himself in the shop window so a better club would come and get him?


Doesnt matter if Rafa encouraged him to play that way, doing so made it so that all he wanted to do was get out, which is shockingly bad man management.

These things happen in football, look at ferguson with stam, van nistleroy and keane, was that shocking man management

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

Why does Rafa bother you so much muppet, it seems a bit personal, you must have posted about 40 times on this thread, he got to you did he?

I explained my dislike for rafa before, it is more to do with his personality than anything else. It goes beyond United Liverpool TBH .

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

I explained my dislike for rafa before, it is more to do with his personality than anything else. It goes beyond United Liverpool TBH .

I have a strong dislike for david moyes myself but i dont go posting 40 or so post in 3 days about the man, imagine your dislike for rafa, thats how most fans feel about ferguson, rafa only cared about liverpool he didnt give a **** about anyone else

noodler

The Muppet wrote: »

I explained my dislike for rafa before, it is more to do with his personality than anything else. It goes beyond United Liverpool TBH .

You can accept Ferguson is hardly a well-liked man then by comparison?

101001

The Muppet wrote: »

I explained my dislike for rafa before, it is more to do with his personality than anything else. It goes beyond United Liverpool TBH .

*just had an awakening*

Thats funny I actually really like him as a person. But I hate Ferguson with a passion. I actually think he is evil, his actual existence irks me. Until two seconds ago I thought it was more than a United thing, that if he managed somewhere else id feel the same. Not sure if this is the case, I watch a fair biteen of spanish football so I still come across Ronaldo a fair bit but I dont have that blinding hate for him anymore. HUH!

Muppet you just made me grow as a person. Forget people calling you a Troll you are a facilitator of self reflection. Thank you

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

I have a strong dislike for david moyes myself but i dont go posting 40 or so post in 3 days about the man, imagine your dislike for rafa, thats how most fans feel about ferguson, rafa only cared about liverpool he didnt give a **** about anyone else

Need I remind you that you have 45 posts to my 30 in this thread.:D

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

Need I remind you that you have 45 posts to my 30 in this thread.:D

I have a vested interest in Rafa, you dont:)

The Muppet

noodler wrote: »

You can accept Ferguson is hardly a well-liked man then by comparison?

I do and the season he finishes 7th I expect to hear a lot about it. Sure when we lose a match we got the is fergie done thread.

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

I have a vested interest in Rafa, you dont:)

You have more of an obsesssion about him that I do, it's just you have an opposing viewpoint , which is fine by me.

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

I do and the season he finishes 7th I expect to hear a lot about it. Sure when we lose a match we got the is fergie done thread.

Yes but rafa was sacked when he finished 7th, you should he should have being sacked while liverpool were top of the league and he spoke out against gilete and hicks

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes but rafa was sacked when he finished 7th, you should he should have being sacked while liverpool were top of the league and he spoke out against gilete and hicks

No I said he should have been sacked when he told lies about his bosses.

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

You have more of an obsesssion about him that I do, it's just you have an opposing viewpoint , which is fine by me.

You call it obsession i call it respect, the fact you and so many utd supporters hate him so much means he must have done something right, i dont see see many utd fans with a hatred of Roy right now.

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

You call it obsession i call it respect, the fact you and so many utd supporters hate him so much means he must have done something right, i dont see see many utd fans with a hatred of Roy right now.

It's got nothing to do with United, he never really threatend United if we're honest. He got close one season but was really always playing catch up when it mattered.

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

No I said he should have been sacked when he told lies about his bosses.

Please tell me these lies

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with United, he never really threatend United if we're honest. He got close one season but was really always playing catch up when it mattered.

Why do you hate him so

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

Please tell me these lies

Do i really have to? I have posted it numerous times already.

Chardee MacDennis

Fuhrer wrote: »

Jesus ****ing christ...

not gonna back up any of your points then?

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

Why do you hate him so

I don't hate him. I dislike him.

If I see something posted about him that i think isn't true I challenge it.

niallo27

The Muppet

Do those averages for 2008 when he first started telling his lies and see how they look.

Include the figures from 04 when he took over and you get the full picture.

niallo27

Now an average net spend of 7 million under hicks and gilllete is not going win you the title, how much did all them CL runs bring into the club

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

Do those averages for 2008 when he first started telling his lies and see how they look.

Right from 2008 on liverpool football club made a profit of 7.5 million on transfers. FACT

niallo27

Your gone quiet Muppet

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

Right from 2008 on liverpool football club made a profit of 7.5 million on transfers. FACT

I'm not disputing that. If rafa had waited until last season to claim he wasn't given proper financial backing he would have had a point, However he was moaning about it years ago at a time when he had been well financed.

If I recall correctly he said all the other managers had more funding than him, this was untrue at the time he said it too.

niallo27 wrote: »

Your gone quiet Muppet

Have I?

niallo27

The Muppet wrote: »

I'm not disputing that. If rafa had waited until last season to claim he wasn't given proper financial backing he would have had a point, However he was moaning about it years ago at a time when he had been well financed.

If I recall correctly he said all the other managers had more funding than him, this was untrue at the time he said it too.



Have I?

He said he needed proper financial to compete, when he got it they came second when it stoped they dropped back. What happened to all the cl money on 2007

#15

noodler wrote: »

You can accept Ferguson is hardly a well-liked man then by comparison?

He's widely respected and liked across the footballing world.

Handsome Bob

#15 wrote: »

He's widely respected and liked across the footballing world.

Respected yeah, wouldn't say liked, he's made a career out of winding people up.

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goddevil

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Respected yeah, wouldn't say liked, he's made a career out of winding people upwinning trophies year in year out

FYP:D

The Muppet

niallo27 wrote: »

He said he needed proper financial to compete, when he got it they came second when it stoped they dropped back. What happened to all the cl money on 2007

Problem is he said it at a time he was properly financed.

I think we're both clear on each others opinions and should agree to disagree for now.

tommyhaas

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Respected yeah, wouldn't say liked, he's made a career out of winding people up.

I think your confusing Alex Ferguson with Eamonn Dunphy

The Muppet

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Originally Posted by #15
He's widely respected and liked across the footballing world.

Respected yeah, wouldn't say liked, he's made a career out of winding people up.

You do know the football world is bigger than Liverpool.;)

Handsome Bob

The Muppet wrote: »

You do know the football world is bigger than Liverpool.;)

Okay, well what has he done to be "liked" by the general football world? Note that there's a difference between being respected and liked. In other words, listing the trophies that he's won doesn't count as reasoning for him being liked.