greatest engine/engines ever built.

Henry Ford III

Ford DFV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosworth_DFV

SIX PACK

Why isint Toyota mentioned on the List ? ? ? ?

kazul

What about the Nissan VQ series? Appeared on Ward's best engines list every year for 10 years +

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

colm1234

colm1234 wrote: »

ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon looks

An enthusiast has spoken :pac:

I do like a Jap petrol myself, the 3SGE in my Celica gave decent performance from it's 2 litres and was a non interference engine. The 2.2 F22b5 that was in an Accord Coupe I bought (but never actually owned ) was a very decent lump. Also I found the F22B that was in my auto Prelude a great yoke to go for a non VTEC Honda.

1.3 Toyota Corolla engine that you mention I would class as completely unremarkable.

Re Rovers, as mentioned by some actual knowledgeable folk the Rover V8 powered many a propor sports car. Also the K series gave 103 bhp from a 1.4 back in 1989, that engine went on to power Lotus and Caterham cars for years so quite a decent powerplant particularly in closed deck configuration.

cnocbui

colm1234 wrote: »

mechanic of 20 years id say ive some idea im not even gunna talk about fiat or alfa fix it again tommorow, dont get me wrong i am greatful for these cars as without them breaking down all the time id have no work infact EVERYONE please buy them and make me rich

I have been an amateur mechanic for 32 years. I never want to work on another American or British engine ever again.

I won't argue about Alfa, but: Cars less reliable than Fiat:

32 Land Rover
31 Alfa Romeo
30 Renault
29 Saab
28 MG
27 Vauxhall
26 Peugeot
25 Audi
24 Rover
23 BMW

Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/bargains-and-rip-offs/motoring/article.html?in_article_id=507837&in_page_id=53949#ixzz198BQ8Mg3

This was about great engines. There have been plenty of great engines in Fiats, Alfas and Lancias.

squod

colm1234 wrote: »

.......ok how about the toyota corolla 1.3 engine one of the most reliable engines ever built, in my opinion best engines built are jap petrol or german diesel, you can keep everything else cas pure ****e eg rover fiat peugeot renault citroen, people think these cars are great because maybe at some time they owned one relatively trouble free and so they think its the best engine ever they obviously know nothing of mechanics and their decisions are based upon look

There's still a shed load of ford diesels out there with 400K + on them. Doesn't make them great and probably why they're not on the list. Reliability isn't much of an indicator of greatness IMO.

Besides, the longer corollas last the longer people who see them have to suffer. Think about someone other than yourself for a change.

greysides

Having extensively driven all the listed engines, like everybody else, of course, I can happily say none are worth a damn compared to an F-14 engine. So I won't bother voting.

bmw535d

johndaman66 wrote: »

Whatever about the 1.9 tdi engines which I don't feel is worthy of being on the shortlist I absolutely fail to see why the vag 2.0 tdi engines should make the list...the mind boggles

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

bmw535d

bmw535d wrote: »

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

:pac:

Just did that for the craic, 30 odd cars about and a bastad TDi Passat across the road Still go back 15 years and Escorts/Orions were everywhere and they were complete and utter dirt. The reason the 1.9/2.0 Vag engines are common are because there in everything from a 1995 Golf to a 2010 A6

bmw535d

greysides wrote: »

Having extensively driven all the listed engines, like everybody else, of course, I can happily say none are worth a damn compared to an F-14 engine. So I won't bother voting.

have you seen the sheer power and tourqe of a remapped straight pipe 1.9tdi vag lump?:D:D:D:D:D

Mycroft H

Why aren't there any fiat FIRE engines on the list?

Or if we're going to call the VAG 1.9tdi engine great for being reliable, what about the Peugeot/Citroen XUD engine?

PaulKK

I voted for the VW 1.9 TDI and I am a BMW owner.

It gets slagged off a lot here, but people need to remember that this engine first appeared in 1993 in the Audi 80.

In fairness it changed the way people thought about diesel cars, it was very economical, and quick enough for most, and more or less bulletproof to boot.

You can slag it off all you want for its power delivery and being noisey, but there is a reason its been around for 17 years in one form or another in a whole range of cars, it is very very good.

M5

s62 FTW! been lucky enough to drive one for a year and blown away every time I drove it!

Another contender the 3.0 diesel BMW. 200+ BHP in most variants combined with minute emissions and often 50+ MPG. They drive well too. By far the best diesel i have driven. I think it won engine of the year when released in the late 90's

bmw535d

M5 wrote: »

s62 FTW! been lucky enough to drive one for a year and blown away every time I drove it!

Another contender the 3.0 diesel BMW. 200+ BHP in most variants combined with minute emissions and often 50+ MPG. They drive well too. By far the best diesel i have driven. I think it won engine of the year when released in the late 90's

its one engine of the year about 4 times.

kazul

bmw535d wrote: »

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

There's probably one or 2 people on my street who have an STD, they're pretty common these days. Doesn't mean that they're good or that I'd like one too.

bmw535d

kazul wrote: »

There's probably one or 2 people on my street who have an STD, they're pretty common these days. Doesn't mean that they're good or that I'd like one too.

irrelevant and off topic. go troll somewhere else.Im not the only one that thinks the vag lump is a brilliant engine, as the poll suggests.

benny_cakes

The Lampredi Fiat Twin Cam Should be on the list also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Twin_Cam_engine

Its the most successful engine in the world rally championship winning 10 world championships, in normally aspirated, supercharged & turbo charged forms.

Its the 1st engine ever to be both turbo charged AND supercharged, way back in 1985 long before VW even thought of the idea. Lancia used this turbo/surpercharged version in their Delta S4 rally car and managed to get 480BHP out of it considering it was only 1.8 litres & it could accelerate from 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds!

And it probably has been fitted to more brilliant cars that any other engine on the list!

johndaman66

bmw535d wrote: »

the reason I have that on the list is, I challenge you to go outside and look up and down the street(if you live in an urban area) and honestly come back here and tell me there isn't at least 1 car that has the vag 1.9/2.0 tdi lump.there is a reason they are so common, its not that they are cheap either.

Granted there are a fair few of them about but as has being previously debated in the thread does that make them one of the greats? There are a lot of 1.3 litre corolla's knocking about too but it seems many here would not put them on the list...even though having owned one in my day and driven many other cars too in my day (1.9 tdi passat included) I'm inclined to think people dismiss them too readily.

Rereading your post again I absolutely fail to follow your logic. Certainly the fact that at least one neigbour is nearly bound to have one hardly automatically makes them one of the greats....sheeple mentality more than anything perhaps. Speaking of economical driving in this day and age 2.0 tdi lump????:eek:

Max_Damage

No American V8's?

Bollocks poll.

bmw535d

Max_Damage wrote: »

No American V8's?

Bollocks poll.

american v8's are generally laughed at by European and German engineers. low revving low compression ancient technology with the output of na diesel like performance cannot make it into the greatest engine poll.

kazul

bmw535d wrote: »

irrelevant and off topic. go troll somewhere else.Im not the only one that thinks the vag lump is a brilliant engine, as the poll suggests.

Not trolling, go backseat moderate somewhere else. I was trying to make the point that just because something is common, it's not necessarily good.
Why can't we just agree to disagree. The only I use derv power is on a Dublin Bus, I find it industrial/agricultural. Gimme a nice V shaped petrol lump any day.

To make it easier for you to understand, Gaelic Football (goes hand in hand with TDI engines too) is very popular in Ireland, doesn't make it the best game ever invented.

Max_Damage

bmw535d wrote: »

american v8's are generally laughed at by European and German engineers. low revving low compression ancient technology with the output of na diesel like performance cannot make it into the greatest engine poll.

Maybe so, but reliable as the engines aren't over stressed.

Sure the old Chevy Caprice's were known to go well over 300k miles with the original 5.7L engine. Hence why they were popular as taxi's.

It's not always about power you know.

mercedeslimos

none of the above!

a rolls-royce merlin V12 from a spitfire (will go in a car - just! - live to see one in a car with the 'charger still connected;) imagine what the torque must be!)

27,000cc's of pure muscle, unsilenced and spitting flames!

you'd get over the 0.3mpg just for the gorgeous noise!

Dutchie

Surely the BMW S70/2 that powered the Mc Laren F1 is the greatest engine ever built.
Producing 627 hp whilst weighing only 266 kg, it powered the fastest NATURALLY aspirated car ever.

bmw535d

Max_Damage wrote: »

Maybe so, but reliable as the engines aren't over stressed.

Sure the old Chevy Caprice's were known to go well over 300k miles with the original 5.7L engine. Hence why they were popular as taxi's.

It's not always about power you know.

guzzle amazing amounts of fuel produce very little power, last for ever, and you think its eligible for the greatest engine ever? they are ****e, apart from sounding brilliantly and lasting long they are ****e engines full stop.

bmw535d

RoverJames wrote: »

:pac:

Just did that for the craic, 30 odd cars about and a bastad TDi Passat across the road Still go back 15 years and Escorts/Orions were everywhere and they were complete and utter dirt. The reason the 1.9/2.0 Vag engines are common are because there in everything from a 1995 Golf to a 2010 A6

ya see;), the reason they are so common is "cos" they are a fricken great engine. look at the development it's went through in its life from the first little weedy rattly na to the 170bhp version in the passat. lets make it clear i don't even own a vw anymore. i drive a bavarian 3.0 6 cylinder monster, but i will defend the vag 1.9tdi lump as it is truly one of the best diesel engines ever built.

Max_Damage

bmw535d wrote: »

guzzle amazing amounts of fuel produce very little power, last for ever, and you think its eligible for the greatest engine ever? they are ****e, apart from sounding brilliantly and lasting long they are ****e engines full stop.

In that case, same can be said for the Mercedes 300D.

kazul

IMO the vast majority of people who buy TDIs in this country don't know jack about engines or cars, they just follow the "Volkswagen/Toyota are great cars" mantra like sheep.

Now, back to the Nissan V6s...:p

bmw535d

kazul wrote: »

IMO the vast majority of people who buy TDIs in this country don't know jack about engines or cars, they just follow the "Volkswagen/Toyota are great cars" mantra like sheep.

Now, back to the Nissan V6s...:p

ohh for the love of jesus stay on track, its not why people buy, or what you don't like(diesel) its a poll/thread about the greatest engines ever made, which is defently not a nissan v6 for jesus sake.

bmw535d

Max_Damage wrote: »

In that case, same can be said for the Mercedes 300D.

very true. is the Mercedes 300d engine on the poll????????

alias no.9

I don't think there can be just one engine. The Alfa V6 for noise and beauty, it's a work of art. The Rover V8 for the shear variety of cars it powered, saloons, off roaders, sports cars, ambulances, paddy wagons, kit cars, etc... The Honda 1.6 vtec for showing the world what a low capacity 4 cylinder engine can be, reliable too. The VW 1.9tdi for the amount of delusion that can exist about an engine.

bmw535d

bmw535d wrote: »

its a poll/thread about the greatest engines ever made, which is defently not a nissan v6 for jesus sake.

The Nissan V6 was an award winner iirc

alias no.9 wrote: »

The VW 1.9tdi for the amount of delusion that can exist about an engine.

meathstevie

mercedeslimos wrote: »

none of the above!

a rolls-royce merlin V12 from a spitfire (will go in a car - just! - live to see one in a car with the 'charger still connected;) imagine what the torque must be!)

27,000cc's of pure muscle, unsilenced and spitting flames!

you'd get over the 0.3mpg just for the gorgeous noise!

Used in planes ( Spitfire, Lancaster bomber etc etc ) boats and tanks and probably the odd concept car. A 20th century legend beyond a shadow of doubt.

Best automotive engines; not the exotic out of reach for mere mortals stuff; but real day to day engines; has to be the VW 1.9 TDI followed by the old VW 1.6 Diesel, a few million motorists worldwide can't be wrong. Reliable, easy on fuel and at least 250k miles in them when serviced properly.

17 people have actually voted for the VAG engine :eek: 17 people actually think it is the greatest engine ever built, sweet Jesus, that takes the biscuit.............. wait 'till the DMFs fail :pac:

It's a diesel ffs, greatest engine ever built is a diesel. That's shocking from a so called motoring enthusiast forum, ye should be ashamed, whoever voted for that. Farmers on the way to mass !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plug

All diesels are crap imo, you get power for a second and then you have to change gear.

Even eliminating the exotic stuff, surely the silky smooth 6 cylinder BMW engines from the 80s and 90s or the likes of the 2.2 Honda VTECs are more deserving than than the VAG diesel.

kazul

And the Nissan V6 is not an option on the (flawed) poll.
The people who voted for the TDI probably vote Fianna Fail.
Another example of most votes not equalling best.

The V8 used by Rover is a legendary lump that was used for years in a hugely varied array of vehicles.

Max_Damage

Well, I'm a big car enthusiast, but I've no interest in 'MORE POWA' engines.

EPM

This poll represents the OP's opinions and therefore is flawed.

VAG TDi ffs...

bmw535d

EPM wrote: »

This poll represents the OP's opinions and therefore is flawed.

VAG TDi ffs...

how does the poll represent my opinions? i've included all types of engines big and small from all over the world except american v8's, well the rover v8 is in-fact an american design.

the poll represent the opinions of the people of boards and so far the vag tdi is on top,so enough of the die hard petrol fans making up excuses about farmers on there way to mass, move on.

if your auto motive knowledge extended past top gear and honest john you would quit whining about the results of the poll.

bmw535d

bmw535d wrote: »

if your auto motive knowledge extended past top gear and honest john

Dude, that's my line :pac:

EPM

It's inherently flawed as to be a truly representative it would have to have every engine produced and not the ones you thought up. The poll shows the opinions of users on your choices. That is all.

Also, if i have an opinion on the result so far and want to voice it I will. If you have a problem with it report the post instead of back seat modding.

I'd also reckon most of the 17 who voted for the VAG lump actually own one and know sweet f all about cars anyway. Also the 2.0 version is dirt, the 1.9 was quite tasty.

wildefalcon

Plug wrote: »

The BMW 3.2 L S54 is the best in my opinion, just listen to the sound of this beast, if anyone posts a better sounding engine than this they deserve a pint!
20 seconds, speakers up full blast. AMAZING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Tnh4bo-Fw

Not an automotive engine, but DOES sound better:

Rolls Royce Merlin V12. In a Hawker Hurricane at 100 feet. Nothing like it, not just loud, but the harmonics, the bass, the power, the weight of the air as it passes you.

The first sound grabs you in the stomach, and as the engine approaches, squeezes every muscle in your gut, zings every nerve in your body until you are hooked, and, after the 'plane has passed, you never quite get over it, and constantly miss it, until it becomes part of you.

Other than that - Peugeot XUD series engines, the first high reving diesel engine, high mileage, high economy, high power, with a turbo strapped on to it - some degree of fun!

bmw535d

EPM wrote: »

It's inherently flawed as to be a truly representative it would have to have every engine produced and not the ones you thought up. The poll shows the opinions of users on your choices. That is all.

Also, if i have an opinion on the result so far and want to voice it I will. If you have a problem with it report the post instead of back seat modding.

the poll clearly shows that most of the options are from the list of the engines of the year award, just because your favorite engine isn't on it doesn't mean i'm biased.having every engine on it would be impossible so thats just an immature can think of nothing else reply,voice your opinion all you want,i only report posts against the charter, how am i back seat modding?

kazul

bmw535d wrote: »

the poll represent the opinions of the people of boards and so far the vag tdi is on top,so enough of the die hard petrol fans making up excuses about farmers on there way to mass, move on.

if your auto motive knowledge extended past top gear and honest john you would quit whining about the results of the poll.

How does it represent the opinions of people of boards?
Did I miss the thread for nominations?

And, sorry I will now bow down before you all-knowing one :P

You have no idea what other people's automotive knowledge is.

wildefalcon

mercedeslimos wrote: »

none of the above!

a rolls-royce merlin V12 from a spitfire (will go in a car - just! - live to see one in a car with the 'charger still connected;) imagine what the torque must be!)

27,000cc's of pure muscle, unsilenced and spitting flames!

you'd get over the 0.3mpg just for the gorgeous noise!

Shoulda read the whole thread. D'oh!

Awesome engine - the engine that saved the world from Hitler.

SIX PACK

Toyota should be on the list
someone clearly has a soft spot for BMW, Therefore thread is a joke thanks if you agree

bmw535d

bmw535d wrote: »

i only report posts against the charter,

are you one of them types :P

kazul

bmw535d wrote: »

how am i back seat modding?

Accusing me of trolling, ordering other posters to "move on". We're having a discussion on topic here, that's what boards is about.

What's up, did you not get what you wanted off Santa?