greatest engine/engines ever built.

bmw535d

kazul wrote: »

How does it represent the opinions of people of boards?
Did I miss the thread for nominations?

And, sorry I will now bow down before you all-knowing one :P

You have no idea what other people's automotive knowledge is.

RoverJames wrote: »

are you one of them types :P

kazul wrote: »

Accusing me of trolling, ordering other posters to "move on". We're having a discussion on topic here, that's what boards is about.

What's up, did you not get what you wanted off Santa?

because the people of boards have voted? what are you missing?

bow all you like:D

true i don't but some of the post reflect alot.

yes, indeed i am and so should everyone report posts for name calling etc,because it would end up ridiculous if boardsie's didn't,

you where on about people having std's because you had nothing constructive to say, which is totally off topic and trollish, i believe i was asking people to move on, not ordering;)

discuss further please:rolleyes:

santa was very very good to me this year, thank you for asking.:D

Just stop using my Honest John and Topgear line ok

bmw535d

RoverJames wrote: »

Just stop using my Honest John and Topgear line ok

it's so true in a lot of cases though;)

kazul

So you post up a list of engines and ask people to vote.

You made up the list so the options are limited/the list is not the opinion of other posters.

Then you get in a snot when some of us disagree with the results/nominations.

You're coming across very childish and immature when others point out the error of your ways.

I like an oil burner for heating my house and petrol to power my V6.
Why not look at the wards list? Way more accurate in terms of a real analysis of top engines than a straw poll amongst keyboard warriors.

EPM

bmw535d wrote: »

the poll clearly shows that most of the options are from the list of the engines of the year award, just because your favorite engine isn't on it doesn't mean i'm biased.having every engine on it would be impossible so thats just an immature can think of nothing else reply,voice your opinion all you want,i only report posts against the charter, how am i back seat modding?

By telling me (not asking) to stop whining. Re read your post if you need to.

Also I voted. Based on the list provided though. And because I believe one of the options is a great engineering tour de force.

johnos1984

RoverJames wrote: »

Just stop using my Honest John and Topgear line ok

Slightly OFF TOPIC but its bloody annoying the countless times someone starts a thread and someone directs them to HJ for advice :rolleyes:

dgt

How come no one has raised the all too common issue of turbo failure, injector problems or air mass meter failure on the 1.9 pd tdi engines? Or am i the only one brave enough to highlight these issues... Sorry if ive upset some idiots out there, im awaiting for the "ive never heard of that cos its made up" replies

If one wants a crackin diesel, anything by Mercedes, BMW or Fiat will be easier on fuel, be much more reliable, much nicer to listen to and can safely say theyre not a sheep

But to vote a diesel engine as the best engine of all time, what have people become... What about the flat 4 the Beetles had?

fabbydabby

I am surprised at the relative lack of support in the poll for the Volkswagen 1.4 twincharged TSI, given the acclaim it has recieved internationally.

Granted I am biased because I own one, but God I love it, wouldn't trade it for anything*.

*in a similar price bracket

johnos1984

johnos1984 wrote: »

Slightly OFF TOPIC but its bloody annoying the countless times someone starts a thread and someone directs them to HJ for advice :rolleyes:

What's better (or worse) is when someone asks for advice about a particular car and someone lists off the sh1t they just read on HJ and reckons we'll all think they're in the know, now that is funny :pac:

johnos1984

RoverJames wrote: »

What's better (or worse) is when someone asks for advice about a particular car and someone lists off the sh1t they just read on HJ and reckons we'll all think they're in the know, now that is funny :pac:

Or copies and pastes it...........:pac:

kuro2k

bmw535d wrote: »

i agree that they may be very robust. but the trade of of bhp output is reliability. therefor anyone could screw the output of a normal reliable engine way down to make it just as reliable. it doesn't even have a turbo. which explains its utter poor performance. the vw 1.9 straight diesel would be just as reliable and has way better out put per liter.

and this thread/poll isn't about the most robust reliable engine ever made its about the greatest, so reliability is only one factor when voting or posting

I know it isn't all about reliability, maybe be you should clarify what you feel greatest is........... your list suggests its all about power/performance which IMO is rubbish! what are the factors in your opinion??

kuro2k

kuro2k wrote: »

what are the factors???

Diesel, German, 1.9 or 2.0...............:pac:

johnos1984

RoverJames wrote: »

Diesel, German, 1.9 or 2.0...............:pac:

Or Jap and 1.3 Petrol

bmw535d

i feel the greatest engine ever made would be the BMW v10. over 100-bhp per liter(n/a benchmark), god like sound, high revving, faultless so far, many have over 150k in the past 5 years put up in the us. ive you google "m5 v10 faults" nothing i repeat nothing comes up.

please enlighten me as to what you feel is the greatest engine ever made.then i will research it and reply based on what i read.

my factors are, power output per liter(turbo should be 150bhp per liter at least, n/a should be 100bhp at least) sound,reliability,technological advance at date of design ,rev limit,cost,economy, appearance, success(sale numbers)

unkel

bmw535d wrote: »

turbo should be 150bhp per liter at least, n/a should be 100bhp at least

That disqualifies nearly all of the engines in your list

kuro2k

bmw535d wrote: »

i feel the greatest engine ever made would be the BMW v10. over 100-bhp per liter(n/a benchmark), god like sound, high revving, faultless so far, many have over 150k in the past 5 years put up in the us. ive you google "m5 v10 faults" nothing i repeat nothing comes up.

please enlighten me as to what you feel is the greatest engine ever made.then i will research it and reply based on what i read.

my factors are, power output per liter(turbo should be 150bhp per liter at least, n/a should be 100bhp at least) sound,reliability,technological advance at date of design ,rev limit,cost,economy, appearance, success(sale numbers)

are you serious?????

bmw535d

kuro2k wrote: »

are you serious?????

no:D

bmw535d

unkel wrote: »

That disqualifies nearly all of the engines in your list

most of the performance based engines are 100bhp na.

kuro2k

bmw535d wrote: »

most of the performance based engines are 100bhp na.

my factors are, power output per liter(turbo should be 150bhp per liter at least, n/a should be 100bhp at least) sound,reliability,technological advance at date of design ,rev limit,cost,economy, appearance, success(sale numbers)

bmw535d

kuro2k wrote: »

my factors are, power output per liter(turbo should be 150bhp per liter at least, n/a should be 100bhp at least) sound,reliability,technological advance at date of design ,rev limit,cost,economy, appearance, success(sale numbers)

its ok to be confused, i understand;)

johndaman66

I'm peeved of with this thread. It has almost become a hitler like dictatorship at this stage with one shouting down the opinions and points of view of others in order to justify their own choices...choices which can't necessairly be justified based on their own criteria in the first instance. Also, and as another poster pointed out what if your choice is not on the list, like how were nominations made in the first place....A number of contenders were pointed out in the thread which are not appearing on the list.

For example are there any engine on the list which brought cheap, relaible and affordable motoring to the masses. If any and at a serious push the VAG 1.9/ 2.0 tdi you might argue (although having said that I feel its an argument you might loose probably and feel there are other engines a lot more worthy of that title).

maidhc

I know plenty about cars, but absolutely nothing about the engines on your list except for the VAG 1.9. I have never owned a VAG car, but I echo comments about how far ahead it was of the competition in the Audi 80:

• BMW had the indirect injection 325tds (and developed the miserable 318tds to compete). This was far more expensive to buy tax and run without a massive gain in power
  
• Ford had the 1.8td, which gave far poorer MPG and was no where near as drivable. I know because i still have one.
  
• Opel had a 1.7 Isuzu unit, which I know little about but was generally unloved
  
• PSA had decent engines but were still indirect injection and thirstier.
  
• Mercedes had no turbocharged diesel engines in RHD until the w210
  
• Toyota and Nissan still had 2.0 NA racing elephants powering their cars.....

So please judge the VAG in light of the facts.

I think the Rover V8 is the definitive engine though.

gally

Helmut Fath from Ursenbach in Germany designed a four cylinder DOHC engine with which he won the 500cc World sidecar Championship in 1969.He had previously raced solo motorcycles and lost a leg in an accident and turned to sidecars.He first won the sidecar championship in 1960.
A wonderful engineer who was also a master at tuning two srtoke engines,for me his achievements stirred my love of motorcycles and racing in the 1960s.

gyppo

I can't believe that the mercedes diesel engine that powered W123 taxi's to intergalactic milages is not on the list. Surely this engine is an icon in terms of longevity?

dr.fuzzenstein

Ford V8 and also the humble Ford diesel Duratorq, both been going for-bloody-ever.

mercedeslimos

meathstevie wrote: »

Used in planes ( Spitfire, Lancaster bomber etc etc ) boats and tanks and probably the odd concept car. A 20th century legend beyond a shadow of doubt.

Best automotive engines; not the exotic out of reach for mere mortals stuff; but real day to day engines; has to be the VW 1.9 TDI followed by the old VW 1.6 Diesel, a few million motorists worldwide can't be wrong. Reliable, easy on fuel and at least 250k miles in them when serviced properly.

i have a passat with the 1.9tdi, 220k and still going, and fast, reliable, very economical and cheap to fix. and have a jetta with he old 1.6d too. 198k and runs as well as the day she drove out of the showroom 25 years ago.

mercedeslimos

wildefalcon wrote: »

Shoulda read the whole thread. D'oh!

Awesome engine - the engine that saved the world from Hitler.

thank you! shows what people can do if they put their minds to it!

if i had a choice of petrol over diesel i'd have petrol for my fun cars and diesel for my workhorses! and thats what i do. i have a mark 2 golf gti with a 1997cc gti engineering engine in it making 168bhp. a 1994 golf 1.4 that's been tweaked to make 76bhp but stripped and caged etc. a diesel rover 220 with hybrid turbo, injectors, intercooler and veg oil making approx 125-130 and 60mpg! mk2 jetta '86 1.6d and my workhorse passat wagon, 220k 1998 wagon, still on orig turbo, clutch, DMF, the lot.

so naysayers the VAG engine is popular also because its tunable! there's people constantly making high power yokes. crowd in holland do a 305bhp conversion on a 130pd tdi.....:D

ianobrien

The greatest engine for me goes to the Ford Kent engine. It was introduced in the Anglia in 1959 and was one of the first "oversquare" engines mass produced. The reason for the oversquare was to allow the engine to rev for the new fangled UK motorways.

As a result of the basic design, soon it was pushing 115 hp/litter from the 8 valve head thanks to Cosworth.

Cosworth turned a larger capacity Kent into the BDA and eventually over 800hp was massaged from the block.

In terms of road cars, the Kent (and others evolved from the basic design) powered the Anglia, Cortina, Escort, Fiesta and Ka in Europe. It's still being used in South Africa and South America.

Also, Ford has just started manufacturing Kent Crossflow blocks (last built in the early '80's) so the popularity of the engine is not in doubt.

Others in with Honourable Mentions are the SBF, Chevy 5.7, VAG 1.9 diesel, Honda B16, etc

The Supercar engines really never push technology. They throw capacity and turbos at the problem. Bugatti should be getting 1500hp plus from the 16 cylinder engine!

coolbeans

A frankly ridiculous thread fail. The reason that the 1.9TDI has done so well is because it's the only one that most posters will have any experience of given it's ubiquity across the VAG group. You'll probably retort that that is a reason for it's greatness but popularity and greatness are far from the same thing. Westlife and X-Factor are popular but they're also ****e. I'm not saying the TDI is ****e but it's far from great. I wouldn't be bothered with high powered BMW diesels either; they're probably the most fragile in the industry after 90k miles.
I'd think some of the Honda VTECs and perhaps the PSA XUD engines are worthy of greatness but it really is a very subjective assessment unless solid criteria are laid out. They haven't been.

alias no.9

Why do people think 200k or even 300k is a remarkable achievement? It should be bread and butter for any engine where the oil and coolant are looked after, and there's a little bit of mechanical sympathy. Most cars that are scrapped are perfectly serviceable, they just need some pricier servicing, parts and/or labour. With the way second hand values are, a car could be an economic write off for the want of a timing belt, so some people drive them till they eventually go, then scrap them.

Eric Cartman

the 3.1 isuzu out of the old old trooper , they still use them to power boats and all in thailand ridiculously bulletproof

bmw535d

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the 3.1 isuzu out of the old old trooper , they still use them to power boats and all in thailand ridiculously bulletproof

the 3.0 trooper engine did a lot of harm the the troopers bullet proof image.