Barmen Short Changing People

desertcircus

Is it even possible to refill a keg with slops?

Mr. Manager

desertcircus wrote: »

Is it even possible to refill a keg with slops?

Nope!

dr ro

You can degas a keg, remove the insert in the neck (can't remember the actual name of it), put in a funnel and return the slops to the brewery for credit for a bad keg. If you don't know what you're doing or use the wrong tools, you can easily kill yourself. It has happened. Very highly pressurised kegs. Most cellar men would send these kegs back to brewery, some may not. It would be pure ****e if re tapped. Never seen it done. I have split a pint and topped it up with fresh beer to liven it up or chill it a bit, but it would have been a spare pint or a recently pulled one. Never guinness and Never served slops. Wouldn't serve anything I wouldn't drink myself.

jimmay

dr ro wrote: »

A regular cu*tstomer of mine gave me a fiver with a twenty wrapped up inside it he hadn't noticed, for 1 pint. I said nothing but gave him back change of a twenty, I noticed he looked funny at me but didn't say anything. I carried on. A few minutes later I went back to him and asked had I given him the right change. Of course I had. @sshole failed the test.
I've also seen loads of barmen ripping off customers and publicans. You can spot them a mile away if you know what you're looking for. I don't agree with ripping off customers.

Interesting care to share what are you looking for?

Degsy

Was in a very well-known pub in Drumcondra when i noticed a bottle of Larios Gin in the Gordon's optic..the two bottles look vaguely the same from a distance.
Having spent time in spain i can assure you that Larios gin is fit only for mucking out a cage or stripping paint..i asked the barman was it on special or something and he said "No,this is what we carry now"..in a supermarket in spain the stuff is 5 euro a litre..if he's importing it in bulk it must be costing him 1 cent a shot and he's charging full price for it!

matrim

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Not to be bad or anything but I seriously doubt the lose of 1 customer will change their attitude. You also say that you'll encourage others not to go there but again, how many people can that possibly be, 10-15 tops?

I agree but if more people were willing to do this and not risk getting served slops then it wouldn't happen in even the few places it does.

Plus in the unlikely event it were to happen in my local, they would be losing about 5 customers who drink there on a weekly basis and maybe another 5 who would drink there at least once a month. That's not including the other regulars who I would make sure to let know.

It's not going to shut them down but I don't want to drink somewhere that I know does that

Degsy

matrim wrote: »

Plus in the unlikely event it were to happen in my local, they would be losing about 5 customers who drink there on a weekly basis and maybe another 5 who would drink there at least once a month. That's not including the other regulars who I would make sure to let know.

It's not going to shut them down but I don't want to drink somewhere that I know does that

Proper order..a regular haunt of mine installed this new arsehole of a barman who insisted on blaring football on the screens and refusing to switch on the jukebox..when a few people complained,he barred them.

Nearly 20 of us blanked the pub because of him..(many of these people would be there every weekend sometimes two nites running)and let it be known why..their business took a huge dive and he was gotten rid of.

I heard later that he was notorious for shortchanging people as well.

maxxie

johnn wrote: »

Most barmen in town empty the contents of the trays under the taps into pint glasses near the end of the night and start offloading them on the drunkest customers, then keep their money rather than charge it to the til, they're making a fortune off it. Scum :rolleyes:

FAIL

absolute bull****

dr ro

jimmay wrote: »

Interesting care to share what are you looking for?

I'm aware this didn't require any actual detective skills but I've actually seen a barman in a nite club walking away from a customer, towards the till and then just putting the money straight in his pocket. He was just a barman serving, not a manager doing the cash. Also, not ringing in all the drinks they've served, the til being over every night is a dead give away that someone's on the fiddle, as someone previously mentioned they ensure they do to deflect attention!

travellingbid

maxxie wrote: »

FAIL

absolute bull****

No it isn't - I know of a place where at the end of the night, they'd do it to a particular customer to encourage him to go home

bubblicious

A bartender in a well-known late bar in Cork tried to short change me when using my laser card one night. I bought a round of drinks (came to something like €17) and used my laser to pay. When he handed me the machine, I was chatting to my friends and just typed in the PIN without paying much attention to the amount on the machine (stupidity on my behalf!). Anyway, got my receipt saying the amount taken from my account was €37. I called over the bartender after he'd walked away and asked him about it. He tried to pretend that I'd asked for €20 cash back. I said I hadn't asked for any cashback and even if I had, he hadn't given me the money. He walked around to the otherside of the bar, took the money out of his pocket (he didn't walk far enough for me not to see this!) and then came back and gave me my €20. My own fault for not checking the machine but what a complete ass. :mad:

garv123

desertcircus wrote: »

Is it even possible to refill a keg with slops?

No!
he will have to lift out the drip tray and pour it into a pint glass.(drip tray will be filled with beer,cider and guinness) so just imagine the colour it of.

i work in a country pub so if i did that locals would complain and leave and i would be fired. my brother works in one of the biggest clubs in cork where stock is measured after each night and even he thinks this is bollox even on the college nights when they would mistake water for vodka.
it would take a rite dirty pub to do this and how messy must the staff be to fill more than one of 2 pints of mess in the drip tray even on a dirty night

Steodonn

Drip tray is bollocks. Way to hard to pour into the pint glass not worth the effort

On the short changing issue. It has really gotten bad in some of the bigger clubs. I mostly stick to 2 smallish bars for nights out. At least you know your not getting ripped off

Degag

johnn wrote: »

It happens regularly & often

It doesn't. Please, please, please stop talking ****. First of all, most driptrays run directly into the sink. Second of all, putting the remnants of the driptray into a pint glass wouldn't look anywhere near a pint. Thirdly, i've worked in very busy pubs. At the end of any given night, i'd be surprised if there was more than 5 pints of slops in the trays - if it doesn't go down the sink - Think risk vs reward? Fourthly, No matter how drunk i was i'd know the difference between a pint of beer and a pint of slops. Fifthly, any pub that makes a regular habit of it would be named, shamed and out of business fairly quickly. So stop insulting our intelligence telling us it happens regularily when it does not.

Lizzzard

mann wrote: »

What's the going rate for a barman… cant be more than €50 for a 5 hour shift,

So now you have me thinking of this poor sucker going home with €2 in his pocket only to tell his wife and 4 hungry kids that he got the sack

All because of the “Cidona kid” :rolleyes:

Who's job responsibility is it for giving out change?

discus

Degsy wrote: »

Was in a very well-known pub in Drumcondra when i noticed a bottle of Larios Gin in the Gordon's optic..the two bottles look vaguely the same from a distance.
Having spent time in spain i can assure you that Larios gin is fit only for mucking out a cage or stripping paint..i asked the barman was it on special or something and he said "No,this is what we carry now"..in a supermarket in spain the stuff is 5 euro a litre..if he's importing it in bulk it must be costing him 1 cent a shot and he's charging full price for it!

If its the one I'm thinking of... Then I'd be suprised if it was even Larios in the bottle. I used to work and deliver for a wholesaler who supplied them. All they bought was Glens vodka in huge quantities, never any decent brands - you can guess what you got from the smirnoff bottles behind the bar!

dotsman

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Am I the only person that's stupid enough to give back money when I get too much change?

We're in the minority by the looks of it.

There's an old belief amongst many of our global neighbours that the "irish were all thieves and drunkards". I'm sorry to say but I believe it to be mostly true and the only word I would complain about is the "all". It should read "mostly"

Similar to the BOI ATM issue a few weeks back. At the slightest hint that they would be able to steal something, mobs formed at every ATM. And these were the very people most likely to blame the "bankers" for the "recession".

If money is not mine, I don't keep it. I will try to get it back to it's rightful owner, and if not possible, will give it to charity. I don't own it, I don't deserve it. I can tell myself a hundred lies, but if I keep it, I am nothing but a scumbag thief.

whatsamsn

SarahBeep! wrote: »

Taxi drivers are lethal for it too!!

Was in a cab from the train station to my gaff about a month ago, it came to €17.50 and the driver(who was African) ASKED ME how much change I wanted... WTF!!!

He looked sickend when I asked for the correct change. I've worked in bars and restaurants for a few years and I ALWYS tip, simply because I know how horrible the job can be, but this was just feicin ridiculous!!

African taxi drivers can be very blatant with wanting tips.

The best one they like to pull is that if a taxi fare comes to say 5c over the euro mark (10.05c 15.05c etc etc) they'll call it down to the cent but if you pay to the exact amount (say 10euro 5 cent :P ) they look at you. Because calling the "and .5cent" is to make you round it off higher with a tip :rolleyes: ... with your average taxi driver they'll round it off to the euro (if its only a few cent over the euro mark) which is more likely to encourage a tip (apart from the taxi driver just making things easy)

Maybe its just me, But I dont mind tipping. However I dont like tipping when someone pushes for it.

whatsamsn

I remember working in the Savoy Cinema back in 2008 and they had fake euro notes that got passed through on the wall of the cash office. I shall always remember the pi*s poor photocopied 50 euro note with the trailed ink ahahahaha.

You know when your printer is running out of ink and the last few copies look terrible? yeah. it was like that. And one of the staff members actually accepted it lol.

mann

Lizzzard wrote: »

Who's job responsibility is it for giving out change?

Hey kid

If you don’t know the answer to that already I would advise you to stay out of pub’s :rolleyes:

mikemac

Just on the other side, there was a scam which I came across as a barman.

Did hotel functions, maybe 300 people in a dark room and music blaring so I can't realy find you, it's difficult.

Customers orders a huge round and you serve away and they bring the drinks to the table in different trips, often with a tray

And you tell them the price and it's "oh and a pint of Guinness and I'll be back for it" and they walk back to their table with the drinks.

Firstly, everyone in Ireland knows you order Guinness first! Ok, I gave them 3-4 minutes to come back to me.
Rarely did they ever come back to me, playing me like a fool. No matter how short staffed we were, I would go on the floor and hunt them down.

Sometimes I'd get ignored, I'm not exactly tall or imposing.
But shaming them in front of all their table works! Tell their family and friends what happened.

Assholes, I could have served over thirty customers in the time I wasted on you! And then I'll get a bollocking from the manager for leaving the bar....

feelingstressed

feelingstressed wrote: »

Just on the other side, there was a scam which I came across as a barman.

Did hotel functions, maybe 300 people in a dark room and music blaring so I can't realy find you, it's difficult.

Customers orders a huge round and you serve away and they bring the drinks to the table in different trips, often with a tray

And you tell them the price and it's "oh and a pint of Guinness and I'll be back for it" and they walk back to their table with the drinks.

Firstly, everyone in Ireland knows you order Guinness first! Ok, I gave them 3-4 minutes to come back to me.
Rarely did they ever come back to me, playing me like a fool. No matter how short staffed we were, I would go on the floor and hunt them down.

Sometimes I'd get ignored, I'm not exactly tall or imposing.
But shaming them in front of all their table works! Tell their family and friends what happened.

Assholes, I could have served over thirty customers in the time I wasted on you! And then I'll get a bollocking from the manager for leaving the bar....

I can't believe how many twats are out there. Can't afford the round? Don't order it! Fair play to you for going after them

johnn

Degag wrote: »

It doesn't. Please, please, please stop talking ****. First of all, most driptrays run directly into the sink. Second of all, putting the remnants of the driptray into a pint glass wouldn't look anywhere near a pint. Thirdly, i've worked in very busy pubs. At the end of any given night, i'd be surprised if there was more than 5 pints of slops in the trays - if it doesn't go down the sink - Think risk vs reward? Fourthly, No matter how drunk i was i'd know the difference between a pint of beer and a pint of slops. Fifthly, any pub that makes a regular habit of it would be named, shamed and out of business fairly quickly. So stop insulting our intelligence telling us it happens regularily when it does not.

I think you may have been one of the lucky ones not be served a dodgy pint, there is no need for you to be ignorant and tell people to not look out for this as it definitely goes on and people need to be aware of it. :rolleyes: The barman will obviously only pull this stunt on someone who is drunk so they are sure they will get away with it. This is common knowledge in bar-tending circles so I don't know which bar you were working in. I heard of a barman once who went a step further and actually pissed in a pint glass and gave it to some guy who was off his face and he knocked it back like it was a pint of Arthur's finest.

tatabubbly

I was at a function in a well known hotel in letterkenny, was a student function. Ordered my drink at the bar and was shortchanged. Asked for my receipt and was like, hey you only gave me say €10.60 instead of €30.60. The woman behind the bar just walked off and ignored me..

Then went out to reception to complaina and the man behind the desk was all "oh there's no managers here and if the bar staff shortchanged you, there's nothing i can do about it". Needless to say i'll never darken the doors of that place again.

pastylegs

johnn wrote: »

This is common knowledge in bar-tending circles so I don't know which bar you were working in.

It really isn't.

Degag

feelingstressed wrote: »

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Firstly, everyone in Ireland knows you order Guinness first!

Unfortunately they don't!

johnn wrote: »

I think you may have been one of the lucky ones not be served a dodgy pint, there is no need for you to be ignorant and tell people to not look out for this as it definitely goes on and people need to be aware of it. :rolleyes: The barman will obviously only pull this stunt on someone who is drunk so they are sure they will get away with it. This is common knowledge in bar-tending circles so I don't know which bar you were working in. I heard of a barman once who went a step further and actually pissed in a pint glass and gave it to some guy who was off his face and he knocked it back like it was a pint of Arthur's finest.

Bars - plural - my friend, up and down the country, in England, Australia and New York for 6 months, if it's been done on a regular basis i've seen it, and believe me, i've seen some shít behind the counter. So do me and the rest of the forum a favour and stop talking shíte.

garv123

slops wouldnt even have a head on it like a pint? so now we've to watch out for people pissing into our glasses? thanks for the heads up.
god i wish i taught of all these great ideas since i work in a pub and if only i knew it was so easy to do i would of drank their pints and pissed it into the glass for them because they will never notice.
do you care to shame these pubs if it really happens so we all know where to stay away from?

johnn

garv123 wrote: »

slops wouldnt even have a head on it like a pint? so now we've to watch out for people pissing into our glasses? thanks for the heads up.
god i wish i taught of all these great ideas since i work in a pub and if only i knew it was so easy to do i would of drank their pints and pissed it into the glass for them because they will never notice.
do you care to shame these pubs if it really happens so we all know where to stay away from?

I don't think I can name the pubs I have seen this go on in due to the forum charter but I only got back from a fairly prominent dublin city center club now where I saw the slops being poured into a pint glass, I didnt' see who they gave it to though. The situation is bad enough without the likes of you talking about serving honest punters your piss :rolleyes: Some barman you are.

mikemac

johnn wrote: »

I don't think I can name the pubs I have seen this go on in due to the forum charter but I only got back from a fairly prominent dublin city center club now where I saw the slops being poured into a pint glass,.

If you are telling the truth then name the pub.
But we all you won't as you are making this up!

Stroll over to motors forum, there are garages getting named and shamed every week.
If you have the correct information on a pub then post it.

My post is pointless, I know you won't

johnn wrote: »

The situation is bad enough without the likes of you talking about serving honest punters your piss :rolleyes: Some barman you are.

Whoosh!!!
The sarcastic reply from garv123 went straight over your head, not too sharp tonight johnn
Go read the post again

chicken fingers

johnn wrote: »

Most barmen in town empty the contents of the trays under the taps into pint glasses near the end of the night and start offloading them on the drunkest customers, then keep their money rather than charge it to the til, they're making a fortune off it. Scum :rolleyes:

ahh but thats just not really true at all is it.

mikemac

johnn wrote: »

I think you may have been one of the lucky ones not be served a dodgy pint, there is no need for you to be ignorant and tell people to not look out for this as it definitely goes on and people need to be aware of it. :rolleyes: The barman will obviously only pull this stunt on someone who is drunk so they are sure they will get away with it. This is common knowledge in bar-tending circles so I don't know which bar you were working in. I heard of a barman once who went a step further and actually pissed in a pint glass and gave it to some guy who was off his face and he knocked it back like it was a pint of Arthur's finest.

I've had a look over my history, I started a fairly busy thread on the 10pm off license rule

And you were trolling there too!
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056121124&page=11

Give it a rest and go start your own threads

Qualitymark

Quite right about the €5 and the €20, they're ridiculously alike. A €5 coin is long overdue.

Thanks for posting boasts about your stealing, all those who ripped off customers or failed to hand back incorrect change - it's very handy for employers to be able to look at your posts if they're thinking about giving you a job. Or not, of course.

mikemac

Qualitymark, whom are you replying to?

Qualitymark

feelingstressed wrote: »

Qualitymark, whom are you replying to?

Look back through the thread. A bunch of people have chortled at how they cheated customers or barmen.

Rabies

Short changing does happen, but its rare.
More often than not its a simple mistake.

I've run bars and clubs for a while and I still have done it once or twice recently. But I've realised before the customer as I'm walking back to them or when they say they gave me a $20 not a $10. Going back in your head its you can remember if they did or not. Eat some humble pie, admit a mistake and move on.

Staff can fiddle tills and hide sales, but we do watch them as much as possible.

Sometimes the customer is the scammer. I'll often check my camera over each till and then bring the customer over to see it. Queue the apologies from an embarrassed customers. Lets say nothing about people that set up credit card tabs and walk out without settling the bill knowing it won't work.

To the person that said bars pour the drip dray back in the keg. That doesn't happen. You can't re tap kegs (easily).

Dj Stiggie

I've ended up with a fiver or tenner extra in my float once or twice working on the floor in a bar. I usually go up to the last person I served if its a quiet night (on a busy night it could be any number of people and I probably wouldn't remember who it was), they're always very quick to say yes when I ask if I left them short, funny that they'd never mention it unless I asked them though.

With regards to waste being poured into pint glasses and sold on, it doesn't happen. The closest thing it could resemble is a regurgitated pint of Smithwicks with no head. We always measure it out and pour it down the sink so we can calculate how much we lost.

And any time I've given someone too much change on the floor they've pointed it out to me.

Rabies

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

And any time I've given someone too much change on the floor they've pointed it out to me.

Generally its older people will point our you've given them too much. Younger people won't.
What about all the times people hand over two notes stuck together and don't realise until we split them and hand one back.
No thanks there.

chicken fingers

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

And any time I've given someone too much change on the floor they've pointed it out to me.

:rolleyes:
You only give back too much change by mistake.
How about the times you gave them too much change and they did not correct your mistake?

alyuciao

A good barman ( and the same goes for a customer ) should always state how much is been given to/by him.

I hand over drinks for say 15.50 and the customer hands me 20. I look them in the eye and say 20. Then give them their change and say 4.50.

Likewise, as a customer, when I buy something in a bar or shop, I always say how much I'm handing over.

Basic, common sense but sometimes mistakes do happen. Nobody is perfect.

johnn

Had this happen to me again last night :eek: Even saw the barman pour some poor drunk chap a drink from the slops at last orders and pocket the money!

bonerm

johnn wrote: »

Had this happen to me again last night :eek: Even saw the barman pour some poor drunk chap a drink from the slops at last orders and pocket the money!

A pint of slops? I don't know how drunk you'd have to be to miss that?

No1J

johnn wrote: »

Had this happen to me again last night :eek: Even saw the barman pour some poor drunk chap a drink from the slops at last orders and pocket the money!

That's just some sick pig getting his jollies. The vast majority of bar staff have far to much going on to have time to be acting the asshole, or are to tired, or want to finish the story they started an hour ago with their work mate. Now if a punter comes in and tries to dis the bar staff, different story.

Run_to_da_hills

I was in a pub on Saturday night with a few mates, handed over a twenty, got change of a 10, shouted at the barman who then tried to put me in the wrong and humiliate me in front of locals, Knew the twenty because it was marked. When I got the correct change back I gave him a filthy look and finished up quickly and moved on to another pub. This seems to be a common practice and I cannot understand why there is not CCTV over bar tills.

garv123

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I was in a pub on Saturday night with a few mates, handed over a twenty, got change of a 10, shouted at the barman who then tried to put me in the wrong and humiliate me in front of locals, Knew the twenty because it was marked. When I got the correct change back I gave him a filthy look and finished up quickly and moved on to another pub. This seems to be a common practice and I cannot understand why there is not CCTV over bar tills.

there's cctv over our tills in the country pub i work in.
actually theres about 20 cameras in the entire country pub. more than most town/city pubs. people have often accuses us and its funny when they are proven wrong on the cctv.

No1J

I have a habit to put a crease om my note in the same place every time before I hand it over, I'm a long time in the game and this works for me. not telling where I put it, to many copycats.

AnonoBoy

johnn wrote: »

Had this happen to me again last night :eek: Even saw the barman pour some poor drunk chap a drink from the slops at last orders and pocket the money!

Maybe you should stop drinking in scum hole pubs?

No1J wrote: »

I have a habit to put a crease om my note in the same place every time before I hand it over, I'm a long time in the game and this works for me.

The going to the pub game?

futonic

Degag wrote: »

To be fair to the barman, you can often have chancers (and i'm not saying you're one!) who say they handed you a fifty when they didn't. I normally tell them that they'll have to come back tomorrow when the till is counted. It's not really necessary to count the till then because the genuine person will come back while the chancer won't!

Thats not true im afraid. I was short changed once on a pub in Dublin. was told to come back next day when till was counted, but I never bothered. Just wasnt worth t he hassle, as I knew I'd have wait around etc, all a bit embarrassing. I rarely go to that pub anymore as a result

No1J

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Maybe you should stop drinking in scum hole pubs?



The going to the pub game?

Go and have a few pints, have a laugh, and stop coming across so picky.

johnn

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Maybe you should stop drinking in scum hole

I think you may have been one of the lucky ones not be served a dodgy pint, there is no need for you to be ignorant and tell people to not look out for this as it definitely goes on and people need to be aware of it. :rolleyes: The barman will obviously only pull this stunt on someone who is drunk so they are sure they will get away with it. This is common knowledge in bar-tending circles so I don't know which bar you drinking in if it never happens. I heard of a barman once who went a step further and actually pissed in a pint glass and gave it to some guy who was off his face and he knocked it back like it was a pint of Arthur's finest.

Solnskaya

Short changing the drunks is a fact of life, as is the barman/cellarman on the make. But its not just pubs/clubs, its endemic in the hospitality industry, 20% goes out the back door, fairly well an industry average. My auld lad worked his life in the restaurant/club trade and was a specialist in reducing stock shrinkage-usually using his fists till the lads got the message. It is the nature of the trade. When you are out on the lash, try and keep half an eye on what you are paying/getting back in change, its just the way it is and its best to be aware. If you find you are short changed, if you are not yet drunk, call the barman on it and stand firm that you know what you gave/got back-90% don't want the hassle of a scene and will give you the right money back. The other 10% won't. If you are drunk, well, you probably won't even notice, but you will notice your empty wallet the next morning. Chalk it up to experience.