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Sinn Fein north and south what-if

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  • #52
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    That is beyond stupid. People really need to read and understand what the Good Friday Agreement is and what it means. As long as the MAJORITY of people in NORTHERN IRELAND want to remain in the Union, then anything else happening elsewhere is completely irrelevant. The country has been going for a long time now and it will stay that way. Your hundreds of years comment are interesting. So what, if the majority of people want it to remain that way, then it shall remain the way it is.

    you lot werent too concerned about the wishes of the majority of the irish people when we declared our independence. it meant shag all. the brits just partitioned the island without the consent of the majority of the irish people. why should we give a damn about what you want since you are an artificial majority created by a foreign power? sinn fein will wipe its arse with the gfa once its in their favour to do so.


  • #53
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    paky wrote: »
    you lot werent too concerned about the wishes of the majority of the irish people when we declared our independence. it meant shag all. the brits just partitioned the island without the consent of the majority of the irish people. why should we give a damn about what you want since you are an artificial majority created by a foreign power? sinn fein will wipe its arse with the gfa once its in their favour to do so.
    Are you serious? I think the majority of people don’t actually care about any elections that far back. We are talking about the now and the Good Friday Agreement. And it is interesting with your “favour” comment on Sinn Fein. That is the whole point. For Sinn Fein to get a United Ireland, they will need a majority within Northern Ireland. That is the fundamental fact. All signs point towards that not being the case for the foreseeable future.

    The Good Friday Agreement was basically designed to put the future of the country in the hands of the people of Northern Ireland and the wishes of the majority within that country and to let politics do the talking. That was the whole point of it and that is what it is all about. The 1918 points are completely irrelevant if we are talking about the now.


  • #54
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    paky wrote: »
    partition is illegal...
    Please cite relevant legislation and/or case law.


  • #55
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Are you serious? I think the majority of people don’t actually care about any elections that far back. We are talking about the now and the Good Friday Agreement. And it is interesting with your “favour” comment on Sinn Fein. That is the whole point. For Sinn Fein to get a United Ireland, they will need a majority within Northern Ireland. That is the fundamental fact. All signs point towards that not being the case for the foreseeable future.

    The Good Friday Agreement was basically designed to put the future of the country in the hands of the people of Northern Ireland and the wishes of the majority within that country and to let politics do the talking. That was the whole point of it and that is what it is all about. The 1918 points are completely irrelevant if we are talking about the now.

    the 1918 points are totally relevant, the reason being that this is the only ideology sinn fein abides by. the first dail is viewed by sinn fein as the only legitimate government which ever existed in ireland since it had a legtimate mandate from the 1918 general election. any partiton which came after that never recieved a mandate for its jusification and therefore making it invalid and illegal


  • #56
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    paky wrote: »
    the 1918 points are totally relevant, the reason being that this is the only ideology sinn fein abides by. the first dail is viewed by sinn fein as the only legitimate government which ever existed in ireland since it had a legtimate mandate from the 1918 general election. any partiton which came after that never recieved a mandate for its jusification and therefore making it invalid and illegal
    The good friday agreement was passed by popular referendum in both both jurisdictions on this island. Sinn Féin not only accepts this agreement they helped write it! Your refusal to accept the gfa is tantamount to rejecting the will of the Irish people.

    And don't exaggerate, it's annoying. Northern Ireland is not occupied and it's status as a home nation of the United Kingdom is perfectly legal.


  • #57
    murraykil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭murraykil


    paky wrote: »
    anything that came after 1919 will be invalidated once sinn fein adopt the approach which i have just outlined. partition is illegal and anything brought about by partition is illegal, even the 26 county and 6 county institutions are. you need to understand it from this perspective. its the only way irish unity/independence will come about. wating for a majority in northern ireland to accept this would take hundreds of years and is completely illogical and is contrary to irish self determination

    Sorry dude but you are wrong. We all know that there have been illegal and immoral acts in the history of Irish politics, but we live in 2011 and by the 1999 referendums.

    Even if Sinn Féin became the sole and majority Government party in both Northern Ireland and Ireland, they cannot make these changes that you speak of without the consent (by referendum in both NI and IE) of the majority of the population of both Northern Ireland and Ireland.


  • #58
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    No problem with power sharing. That is the GFA. Doesn't mean you can't hate them.

    As for your 2nd point, it seems to be the other way around. More Catholics actually want to be in the UK than Protestants want to join a United Ireland. The will amongst the Protestant people is strong and loyal.

    Leave religion out of it for a minute wil you this sectarian nonsense is becoming embarrassing. Dividing people according to which mass they celebrate isnt a part of real politics.


  • #59
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    paky wrote: »
    you lot werent too concerned about the wishes of the majority of the irish people when we declared our independence. it meant shag all. the brits just partitioned the island without the consent of the majority of the irish people. why should we give a damn about what you want since you are an artificial majority created by a foreign power? sinn fein will wipe its arse with the gfa once its in their favour to do so.

    If Sinn Fein "wipes its arse" with the GFA then the'll be giving a similar two fingers to the wishes of the majority of Ireland.

    I didn't allow murderers to be released in order for this crap to be resurrected.

    We voted to allow the North to decide for itself. No Sinn Fein party or anyone else has the authority to override that.


  • #60
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Leave religion out of it for a minute wil you this sectarian nonsense is becoming embarrassing. Dividing people according to which mass they celebrate isnt a part of real politics.
    It isn't me which bases all these polls on peoples religious background. I think it is well known around the province.


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  • #61
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    It isn't me which bases all these polls on peoples religious background. I think it is well known around the province.

    Yea its all the polls fault alright
    The will amongst the Protestant people is strong and loyal.


  • #62
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Im not sure if you have followed the discussion steddyeddy. It was on Protestants in Northern Ireland being in favour of the UK and more Catholics actually wanting to remain in the UK than Protestants wanting to join a United Ireland. Hope that helps :)


  • #63
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Im not sure if you have followed the discussion steddyeddy. It was on Protestants in Northern Ireland being in favour of the UK and more Catholics actually wanting to remain in the UK than Protestants wanting to join a United Ireland. Hope that helps :)
    Im not particularly graced with much political knowledge, but I just thought what-if Sinn Fein (as the only common party in the North and South) somehow got voted in to both governments at the same time. Would this ultimately make the 32 county Ireland, since the same powers that be in both the north and south sinn fein parties, although seperate in their own right, control both parties?!
    Just a few quick notes to make. Im not a Sinn Fein follower, or any other for that matter at present. And if this has been discussed before, Id be grateful of any help linking to it. Really it was just a thought that popped into my head Id like an answer to! Thanks for reading.

    Spot the religion keith. By the way its a bit sectarian including only protestent unionists as you said there are catholic ones too so please just say uinionst and stop usingsectarian terms like pul.


  • #64
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    murraykil wrote: »
    Sorry dude but you are wrong. We all know that there have been illegal and immoral acts in the history of Irish politics, but we live in 2011 and by the 1999 referendums.

    Even if Sinn Féin became the sole and majority Government party in both Northern Ireland and Ireland, they cannot make these changes that you speak of without the consent (by referendum in both NI and IE) of the majority of the population of both Northern Ireland and Ireland.

    im confident a referendum in the south would succeed. the one in the 6 counties wouldnt have a hope.


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