Wigan Athletic v Arsenal - 19:45

DOC09UNAM

iMuse wrote: »

I couldnt give a toss anymore, happens too often :mad:

Great support there buddy.

Sing when your winning and all that.

the_monkey

is this the 2 pts that could cost Arsenal the title ???

the untitled user

Meh.. we gained a point where we didn't last season and even with the sending off Wigan had some very considerate refereeing go their way. I'm not too bothered tbh.

DOC09UNAM

the_monkey wrote: »

is this the 2 pts that could cost Arsenal the title ???

I know you're deluded monkey, but I didn't think you were that deluded.

OPENROAD

I'm really sick of this present team :mad::mad:

I really don't want to see players coming out with the ****e they normally come out with like we will learn from this :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Pepe LeFrits

Tossers.

L'prof

revz wrote: »

Look on the bright side, at least we're not liverpool

I'd prefer to be in their situation at this rate to be honest, far better than the blue balls I have on me right now!!!

iMuse

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Great support there buddy.

Sing when your winning and all that.

Im not your "Buddy"

OPENROAD

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Great support there buddy.

Sing when your winning and all that.

meh, sorry but we beat Chelsea and then put in a below par performance, this present team particularly at the back is in need of strengthening and when you pay the ST prices we do its about time that we started spending some of that money

FlawedGenius

:DSAME OLD ARSENAL!!
Fact is, you cant win anything with BABYS...

DOC09UNAM

OPENROAD wrote: »

meh, sorry but we beat Chelsea and then put in a below par performance, this present team particularly at the back is in need of strengthening and when you pay the ST prices we do its about time that we started spending some of that money

That's the attitude of someone who cares, I get that.

I was moreso laughing at his "I don't care" attitude, because they drew.

SDTimeout

OPENROAD wrote: »

meh, sorry but we beat Chelsea and then put in a below par performance, this present team particularly at the back is in need of strengthening and when you pay the ST prices we do its about time that we started spending some of that money

Don't even bother mate, that was a logical post and a logical point. He's not looking for Logic he is looking for a rise.

cson

I'm chuckling to myself here at the United fan stirring and delighting in our **** up - we must be considered rivals for the title for them which makes for a nice change from recent years.

OPENROAD

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

That's the attitude of someone who cares, I get that.

I was moreso laughing at his "I don't care" attitude, because they drew.

Sorry D., so annoyed, I'm not reading posts with a clear mind, just so frustrating

cson

FlawedGenius wrote: »

:DSAME OLD ARSENAL!!
Fact is, you cant win anything with BABYS...

I agree; I've yet to see a title winning side comprised of 1 and 2 year olds.

SDTimeout

whooooooosh on my part.

DOC09UNAM

cson wrote: »

I'm chuckling to myself here at the United fan stirring and delighting in our **** up - we must be considered rivals for the title for them which makes for a nice change from recent years.

No stirring really, Wigan fought a hard shift and deserved to get back into it, didn't think Arsenal played too badly either, had a chance to bury the game when Arshavin went through, but they didn't take it, much like United last night.

And they also ended the game with 2 points less due to ridiculous refereeing when they should have had a penalty.

I just thought the similarities between our game last night, and your game tonight were funny.

omniscient_toad

That central defence is just so shaky under any kind of pressure, the midfield and team as a whole were good enough to make that less relevant against Chelsea but even watching that game in the spells of pressure Chelsea had the two centre backs consistently fluffed clearances/failed to control backpasses or loose balls and repeatedly made poor short clearances that went right to the feet of opponents. Vermaelen really can't come back too soon for Arsenal to add some much needed composure to a brittle nervous looking defence.

cson

Tbh I'd rather steer clear of this "lol you drew @ xxxx" - "lol so did you" ****fest.

cson

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

No stirring really, Wigan fought a hard shift and deserved to get back into it, didn't think Arsenal played too badly either, had a chance to bury the game when Arshavin went through, but they didn't take it, much like United last night.

And they also ended the game with 2 points less due to ridiculous refereeing when they should have had a penalty.

I just thought the similarities between our game last night, and your game tonight were funny.

Fair enough; I'm more receptive to a thought out post like that than the infantile LOL posts that crop up after a result like this.

iMuse

Difference between Utd last night and Arsenal 2nite is that Utd played their best 11 giving Bham respect whereas wenger puts out a weakened team and expects 3 points for turning up.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

No stirring really, Wigan fought a hard shift and deserved to get back into it, didn't think Arsenal played too badly either, had a chance to bury the game when Arshavin went through, but they didn't take it, much like United last night.

And they also ended the game with 2 points less due to ridiculous refereeing when they should have had a penalty.

I just thought the similarities between our game last night, and your game tonight were funny.

That's a fair assessment of the game really.

SDTimeout

Interesting how this could pan out...

cesc4official Whats the diference between this handball & my 1 vs spurs? Referees dont want us to complain abt them but they make life dificult 4 themself

Fuzzy_Dunlop

iMuse wrote: »

Difference between Utd last night and Arsenal 2nite is that Utd played their best 11 giving Bham respect whereas wenger puts out a weakened team and expects 3 points for turning up.

I suppose you could look at it that at least we do have them rested now for the weekend. Still I don't think he should have made so many changes either.

The game was there for the taking which is the most frustrating thing at the end of the day, and the whole conceding a late goal from a set piece thing too.

tony1kenobi

i think we did better than we did last season at Wigan.Chin up lads.We'll still win the league....and our good players won't f*ck off to Spurs.Are any other premiership teams trying to win the league,league cup,FA cup and Champions league?

DOC09UNAM

cson wrote: »

Fair enough; I'm more receptive to a thought out post like that than the infantile LOL posts that crop up after a result like this.

I didn't mean for the "hahahahaha" post to come out as if it was a sleight on Arsenal.

It was just the first thing that came into my head after last nights result, and seeing what happened in this game.

Honestly, the standard of refereeing is shocking, two televised games over two days and two massive mistakes.

Something really needs to be done about it.

Hank Scorpio

tony1kenobi wrote: »

i think we did better than we did last season at Wigan.Chin up lads.We'll still win the league....and our good players won't f*ck off to Spurs.Are any other premiership teams trying to win the league,league cup,FA cup and Champions league?

Trying is the key word

dahat

Its all pretty comical really...........

tony1kenobi

nuxxx wrote: »

Trying is the key word

Not the key point though.Well done however for grammatical accuracy.

L'prof

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I didn't mean for the "hahahahaha" post to come out as if it was a sleight on Arsenal.

It was just the first thing that came into my head after last nights result, and seeing what happened in this game.

Honestly, the standard of refereeing is shocking, two televised games over two days and two massive mistakes.

Something really needs to be done about it.

I wouldn't have given handball last night, but Zigic seemed to be climbing on Rio and Phillips was offside and pushing Ferdinand, is that interfering with play? Probably, should have been a free out anyway. Handball tonight was stonewall, and their pen was dodge enough. Kos probably deserved it for leaving his leg out though!

DOC09UNAM

L'prof wrote: »

I wouldn't have given handball last night, but Zigic seemed to be climbing on Rio and Phillips was offside and pushing Ferdinand, is that interfering with play? Probably, should have been a free out anyway. Handball tonight was stonewall, and their pen was dodge enough. Kos probably deserved it for leaving his leg out though!

There's numerous things the free kick could have been given for, but I think almost everyone here will agree it wasn't a goal, and it should have been a free out.

Tonight, is a bit trickier to judge, because I don't know how Arsenal would have done with the penalty, who takes them at Arsenal?

Hank Scorpio

tony1kenobi wrote: »

Not the key point though.Well done however for grammatical accuracy.

I would bet a large amount on Arsenal not winning the CL, PL or the FA cup

SDTimeout

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

There's numerous things the free kick could have been given for, but I think almost everyone here will agree it wasn't a goal, and it should have been a free out.

Tonight, is a bit trickier to judge, because I don't know how Arsenal would have done with the penalty, who takes them at Arsenal?

Cesc or RVP.

Tonight you would have had Nasri and Rosicky who have both missed a penalty each ? I would have given it to Chamakh or Nasri ( another shot ) myself.

DOC09UNAM

SDTimeout wrote: »

Cesc or RVP.

Tonight you would have had Nasri and Rosicky who have both missed a penalty each ? I would have given it to Chamakh or Nasri ( another shot ) myself.

I see, Given the array of talent arsenal have, I was just counting a penalty as a goal in my head, so when I see a penalty not given that should have been, I'm thinking arsenal 3-2; if that makes sense.

tony1kenobi

nuxxx wrote: »

I would bet a large amount on Arsenal not winning the CL, PL or the FA cup

The amount you would bet probably corresponds with how much bigger your cock is than mine.Congratulations.You won.

L'prof

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

There's numerous things the free kick could have been given for, but I think almost everyone here will agree it wasn't a goal, and it should have been a free out.

Tonight, is a bit trickier to judge, because I don't know how Arsenal would have done with the penalty, who takes them at Arsenal?

Not sure what you mean here? Nasri was on the pitch and I reckon he would have buried it!

DOC09UNAM

L'prof wrote: »

Not sure what you mean here? Nasri was on the pitch and I reckon he would have buried it!

I thought it was fairly obvious what I meant, I was asking who takes them?

I don't know much about Arsenals penalty history or of they've missed alot of them this season or what.

L'prof

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I thought it was fairly obvious what I meant, I was asking who takes them?

I don't know much about Arsenals penalty history or of they've missed alot of them this season or what.

OK, fair enough. It just sounded like you were saying "Penalty to United = goal, penalty to Arsenal != goal". Doesn't matter.

DOC09UNAM

L'prof wrote: »

OK, fair enough. It just sounded like you were saying "Penalty to United = goal, penalty to Arsenal != goal". Doesn't matter.

Oh!

But United weren't denied a penalty last night, it was a goal that shouldn't have counted.

It's a different story, because if the goal doesn't count last night, then the score is definitely 1-0 afterwards.

Whereas if the penalty was given tonight, it could still be 2-2 afterwards.

If that makes sense, it does in my head.

L'prof

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Oh!

But United weren't denied a penalty last night, it was a goal that shouldn't have counted.

It's a different story, because if the goal doesn't count last night, then the score is definitely 1-0 afterwards.

Whereas if the penalty was given tonight, it could still be 2-2 afterwards.

If that makes sense, it does in my head.

Haha, I've been drinking faaaaaaar too much lately, damn you Crimbo. Yes, you do indeed make slightly more sense than I had originally given you credit for

KeithAFC

Wenger and the ref cost us the win. Wenger never should have made 8 changes. The Nasri free kick should of been a penalty, clear hand ball, most likely even stopped it from looping over the wall and into the net.

Djourou should of started and Nasri and Walcott. No excuses. Win the game and then make subs.

Essien

Just seen it there, Arsenal can consider themselves very unlucky.

DOC09UNAM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Wenger and the ref cost us the win. Wenger never should have made 8 changes. The Nasri free kick should of been a penalty, clear hand ball, most likely even stopped it from looping over the wall and into the net.

Djourou should of started and Nasri and Walcott. No excuses. Win the game and then make subs.

As much as I'd like to jump in and criticise the selection.

Wenger picked the team he felt was capable to do the job, and at the end of the day, they should have.

If Arshavin had finished that 1on1 he had, all would be well in the Arsenal camp at the moment.

Unlucky, very, but I wouldn't blame Arsene alone.


(on a completely unrelated note, has a managers name ever been so perfect for the team he's managing?)

KeithAFC

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

As much as I'd like to jump in and criticise the selection.

Wenger picked the team he felt was capable to do the job, and at the end of the day, they should have.

If Arshavin had finished that 1on1 he had, all would be well in the Arsenal camp at the moment.

Unlucky, very, but I wouldn't blame Arsene alone.


(on a completely unrelated note, has a managers name ever been so perfect for the team he's managing?)

Arshavin should of scored. I knew we would need the third because Wenger wasn't bringing on our subs quick enough to put the 3rd past them and to put the game to bed.

Making 8 changes is a piss take though. 3-4 yeah but not 8. Not good enough.

everdead.ie

Nzogbia did the exact same thing as Kaboul yesterday awful foolish I wonder if Wilshire hadn't gone down though if anyone would of noticed?(totally deserved though)

KeithAFC

Also, Fabianski was good again and made a top save. No one will say anything but i think we should praise him when he does good.

DOC09UNAM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Also, Fabianski was good again and made a top save. No one will say anything but i think we should praise him when he does good.

Made a good save from Nzogbia in that 1on1, and I think there was another point blank save he made?

Fantastic shot stopper, even if he doesn't look entirely comfortable on corners and crosses yet, he will learn with experience when to go and when to stay.

DH2K9

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Made a good save from Nzogbia in that 1on1, and I think there was another point blank save he made?

Fantastic shot stopper, even if he doesn't look entirely comfortable on corners and crosses yet, he will learn with experience when to go and when to stay.

That is what going on loan is for. You can't learn how to be a top keeper while being number 1 at a big club. You need to know before. Getting caught out on crosses and coming out rashly on a consistent basis is just not good enough for any Premier League keeper especially an arsenal one. Bring back Chesney

the untitled user

KeithAFC wrote: »

Wenger and the ref cost us the win. Wenger never should have made 8 changes. The Nasri free kick should of been a penalty, clear hand ball, most likely even stopped it from looping over the wall and into the net.

Djourou should of started and Nasri and Walcott. No excuses. Win the game and then make subs.

Djourou is still far too raw in terms of his fitness to be considered for every game. He still has to get to the position where he can be relied upon to play once a week, playing him after 2 days when you still have no idea how his body will react would be reckless. It's a serious knee injury he's come back from remember, you don't want us to end up with a Ledley King type on our hands do you?

Walcott is just returning from an injury too, no way would he have had match fitness either, he too has yet to show his body is capable of playing weekly, everytime he does he gets crocked again.

And Nasri, possibly, but he played 90 minutes. If he was taken off early on Monday maybe I'd have started him, but considering how much we've relied upon him lately I think it was safer to bench him.

few things:
a) Wigan fluked a win, they may have played well in patches but I don't think they did near enough in that match to deserve a point other than kick us. It's not like last year where they totally dominated us for 20-30 mins.
b) Martinez got his tactics right. The game was played at a very high tempo for most of what I saw, I think starting 11 tired men, even if they were the better players would not have helped much.
c) We have 4 points from 6 where we got 0 from last year. Yes, we spurned yet another opportunity, but we're still in a much better position than most thought we'd be going into this week.

Galvasean

everdead.ie wrote: »

Nzogbia did the exact same thing as Kaboul yesterday awful foolish I wonder if Wilshire hadn't gone down though if anyone would of noticed?(totally deserved though)

I would say no TBH. It just seems to be the way these days. You can shunt your head into another man's face and they tell you to calm down. Do the same thing and the guy goes down and you're off. It's a bit stupid really. You should be sent off for taht kind of stuff regardless.