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  • #52
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    Can you guess which type of libertarian I am? :cool:

    The last one.


  • #53
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Folks, we are still awaiting orourkeda response as to why Obama is ****... in his own words... he could just be lazy though... pointing us to stupid websites and youtube videos... I for one want to hear why from the horses mouth :eek:

    You didnt watch the video. It lasts two hours. To call something stupid that you haven't watched is "stupid".


  • #54
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    OctavarIan wrote: »
    I'm about as anti-capitalist as they get, but I've watched this before and it's pure tripe of the highest order.

    Why?


  • #55
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    orourkeda wrote: »
    You didnt watch the video. It lasts two hours. To call something stupid that you haven't watched is "stupid".

    Whatever, just explain to us why Obama is ****... your contribution to this thread has been tripe, redeem yourself! TELL US


  • #56
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    I'm convinced orourkeda is trolling now. Ignoring all other posts with information and replying to the ones that he cam made a stupid comeback to.


  • #57
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    jd007 wrote: »
    Hey leave the Polish out of this!! :mad: :pac:

    Get back to Poland you Slavic Untermenschen!
    :P


  • #58
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    OisinT wrote: »
    I'm convinced orourkeda is trolling now. Ignoring all other posts with information and replying to the ones that he cam made a stupid comeback to.

    Firstly did Barack Promise to close Guantanamo Bay within one year of taking office?


  • #59
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Firstly did Barack Promise to close Guantanamo Bay within one year of taking office?

    Yes he did, what is your point?


  • #60
    af_thefragile
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,171 ✭✭✭af_thefragile


    Neither.

    Republican and Democrats are all the same.
    Just an illusion created to make people feel they have a choice.


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  • #61
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Firstly did Barack Promise to close Guantanamo Bay within one year of taking office?
    yes he said it in his first week in office. There have been delays (mainly objections from republicans) which made them miss the January 2010 deadline, but many prisoners have seen trials or been moved.


  • #62
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Yes he did, what is your point?

    He failed. That was one of the first promises he broke. He may close it but he explicitly stated that it would be closed within 12 months of his taking office


  • #63
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    orourkeda wrote: »
    He failed. That was one of the first promises he broke. He may close it but he explicitly stated that it would be closed within 12 months of his taking office

    Is this your only take on Obama? Please humour us with more...


  • #64
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    OisinT wrote: »
    yes he said it in his first week in office. There have been delays (mainly objections from republicans) which made them miss the January 2010 deadline, but many prisoners have seen trials or been moved.

    So thats one promise he failed to deliver on. A prerry prominent tenet to his campaign


  • #65
    El_Dangeroso
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Cali Chilly Therapist wrote: »
    The last one.

    How very dare you.


  • #66
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Is this your only take on Obama? Please humour us with more...

    Did he say that he would have troops out of Iraq by the end of march 2009?

    Then it was delayed to Aug 2010

    Now its the end of 2011


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  • #67
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    we want the dirt on Obama orourkeda


  • #68
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Did he say that he would have troops out of Iraq by the end of march 2009?

    No...


  • #69
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    we want the dirt on Obama orourkeda

    I've given you some examples and you continue to condescend.


  • #70
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    orourkeda wrote: »
    I've given you some examples and you continue to condescend.

    You have given two examples, both of which can't stand up to scrutiny


  • #71
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    No...

    It changed to ending their combat mission in August 2010. Another failure.

    Now it's December 2011. Let's hope he gets it right this time


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  • #72
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    You have given two examples, both of which can't stand up to scrutiny

    He clearly stated that he would close Guantanamo within a year.

    He didn't.


  • #73
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    How very dare you.

    Don't deny it.


  • #74
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    orourkeda wrote: »
    It changed to ending their combat mission in August 2010. Another failure.

    Now it's December 2011. Let's hope he gets it right this time

    He inherited this ****e from the previous administration... stop being a dick


  • #75
    El_Dangeroso
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Cali Chilly Therapist wrote: »
    Don't deny it.

    I shall not entertain such a besmirchment upon my character, you pup.


  • #76
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Poll needs a 'neither' sort of option.

    Many Democrats are pretty reasonable centrists, like many Republicans are. The problem is that you have people like Pelosi in prominent positions on one side, and people like Palin in prominent positions on the other. Getting all the news, setting the course, and those of us in the hold are just along for the ride.

    I don't have much problem with Libertarians as a concept. Too many people seem to confuse Liberterianism with Anarchism. Just because they stress individual liberties, responsibility and a smaller government doesn't mean to say they espouse 'every man for himself' and no government role.
    He inherited this ****e from the previous administration... stop being a dick

    True, but the fact that there was a bit of a war going on in Afghanistan should not have come as a surprise to him when he made initial pronouncements. I will grant Obama credit for flexibility: When he realised after walking into the Oval Office that the real situation was not what it looked like before he got into the Oval Office (on a number of things, not just Afghanistan or Iraq), he took a step back, re-evaluated, and changed course. That takes a bit more courage than just sticking to what was said on the campaign trail, even though it gives ammunition to be used against him (by both sides) in the re-election campaign.

    NTM


  • #77
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    I shall not entertain such a besmirchment upon my character, you pup.

    I'll pup you in a minute, you reefer toking blockhead.


  • #78
    Up de Barrs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Up de Barrs


    Pro Choice Republican.


  • #79
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    He inherited this ****e from the previous administration... stop being a dick

    Yes we know. This war was going on when he was running for president. He should have thought about this before he started making promises he couldnt keep.

    We dont need to resort to petty name calling now do we?


  • #80
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    It changed to ending their combat mission in August 2010. Another failure.

    Now it's December 2011. Let's hope he gets it right this time
    I think you're referring to Iraq - which was a success. The combat mission in Iraq is over.

    Afghanistan was never going to be that easy.


  • #81
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Yes we know. This war was going on when he was running for president. He should have thought about this before he started making promises he couldnt keep.

    We dont need to resort to petty name calling now do we?

    OK, apart from the war in Iraq, why do you think he is a **** president? No more bull**** from you now


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  • #82
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    OK, apart from the war in Iraq, why do you think he is a **** president? No more bull**** from you now

    President Obama ws credited recently with the repeal of the don't ask dont tell laws why hasnt he extended this to civilian same sex couples?

    They still dont have equality on things like adoption and he promised that he would put pressure on states to imrove this.


  • #83
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    President Obama ws credited recently with the repeal of the don't ask dont tell laws why hasnt he extended this to civilian same sex couples?

    They still dont have equality on things like adoption and he promised that he would put pressure on states to imrove this.
    There is no such thing as don't ask, don't tell for civilians :confused:


  • #84
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    OisinT wrote: »
    There is no such thing as don't ask, don't tell for civilians :confused:

    I understand that but what about adoption rights.

    Some Civilian same sex couples would perhaps like to adopt children but do not have equality. This is something that the president promised to address


  • #85
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    I understand that but what about adoption rights.

    Some Civilian same sex couples would perhaps like to adopt children but do not have equality. This is something that the president promised to address
    The two are totally unrelated.

    Adoption rights have nothing to do with Obama. They are varied state to state and AFAIK there is no federal law on adoption.


  • #86
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    OisinT wrote: »
    The two are totally unrelated.

    Adoption rights have nothing to do with Obama. They are varied state to state and AFAIK there is no federal law on adoption.

    I know they are unrelated.

    I'm asking why didnt the president didnt make good on his promise to pressure states into reviewing their position on adoption for same sex couples.

    There was a lot of media attention given to one but not the other over the last week or two.


  • #87
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    I know they are unrelated.

    I'm asking why didnt the president didnt make good on his promise to pressure states into reviewing their position on adoption for same sex couples.

    There was a lot of media attention given to one but not the other over the last week or two.
    He is putting pressure on them, part of the reason he's so unpopular at the moment in the red states.


  • #88
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    OisinT wrote: »
    He is putting pressure on them, part of the reason he's so unpopular at the moment in the red states.

    He said that he would use "bully tactics" to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. Something he hasnt done with any conviction despite being presented with several opportunitites. Several states have leagalised same sex marriage\partnerships which would have provided the perfect opportunity to follow through on his initial promise.


  • #89
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    orourkeda wrote: »
    He said that use bully tactics to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. Something he hasnt done with any conviction despite being presented with several opportunitites.
    I'm pretty sure he never said he would use bully tactics to do anything of the sort.


  • #90
    Mrmoe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    Poll needs more Kang and Kodos.


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  • #91
    bonerm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06fCDiu9HiA


  • #92
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,925 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Cali Chilly Therapist wrote: »
    May I ask why? Don't know a lot about them, apart from the fact that they're popular with young gun-owners and "pot" smokers.
    Don't get me wrong, theres certain things I like about Republicans and Democrats alike, but Civil Liberties are Civil Liberties. DC has no place imposing morality on someone's gay neighbors or a pregnant teen or the neighborhood pothead or the homeschooling parents. It also has no business running the most notorious pyramid scheme in history*.


  • #93
    Magic Eight Ball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Magic Eight Ball


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    Poll needs more Kang and Kodos.

    Poll needs 'Jedi'


  • #94
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Is this your only take on Obama? Please humour us with more...

    We get it you're an Obama lover, he's a Obama hater.


  • #95
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    We get it you're an Obama lover, he's a Obama hater.
    Not believing crazy right wing nonsense is not exactly being an Obama lover.

    I'm not an Obama lover, but you have to look objectively at what was done and what was not done.


  • #96
    Krusader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Krusader


    Two sides of the same coin, like FF & FG here, the Federal Reserve runs American everyone knows that


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  • #97
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    They're all a bunch of wasters, who am I more comfortable with having all those nukes, well, the democrats.


  • #98
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    OisinT wrote: »
    Not believing crazy right wing nonsense is not exactly being an Obama lover.

    I'm not an Obama lover, but you have to look objectively at what was done and what was not done.

    Agreed believing the crazy left wing nonsense does.


  • #99
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Agreed believing the crazy left wing nonsense does.
    oh god...


  • #100
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Obama is maintaining the proud Presidential tradition of being truly ball-less when it comes to resolving the Israeli - Palestinian conflict. He promised.. "Hope"..."Change"...nah just shyte talk really.


  • #101
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,427 ✭ [Deleted User]


    orourkeda wrote: »
    Did he say that he would have troops out of Iraq by the end of march 2009?

    Then it was delayed to Aug 2010

    Now its the end of 2011

    Have you forgotten how they came to be there in the first place?


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