Ryanair to the U.S

David086

BuffyBot wrote: »

JetStar? AFAIK they only have portable players.



Goes flat quicker, especially with the pressure in the cabin. Not particularily nice to be served a flat, warm drink from an open bottle that's been sitting in the galley for a few hours after meal service. And it does look cheap IMHO.

That's exactly what my problem was when getting a soft drink from the bottle it was flat.

finbarrk

If the seating was going to be the same as the current planes they have then I wouldnt bother with them. Terrible uncomfortable.

!MAVERICK!

Mc Love wrote: »

Think I will stick with EI

Ryanair are EI all Irish registered aircraft are ...

Mc Love

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Ryanair are EI all Irish registered aircraft are ...

Ryanair are FR

Davidth88

EI is the IATA code for Aer Lingus , it is also as you say the prefix for Irish Civil aircraft registrations

As for flying to the US with FR ( the IATA code for Ryanair )

I imagine their offering should it happen would not be very different to say US Airlines . Where they would miss out is the possibility of having internal connections within the US. Most airlines have some sort of internal connections for example EI and Jetblue .

By and large long haul travel ( economy ) is unpleasant to the point of being horrible anyway.

I hate the way that FR seem to treat their customer's as ' fodder ' ie take it or leave it. MOL has admitted it does not matter what publicity there is ( for example his stupid rantings about having one pilot ) the bookings GO UP ....... so they must be doing something right.

Manic Moran

I'm sitting here in paris cdg just after getting off a flight from the us. The premium economy seats were tolerable enough, but still couldn't sleep. I do not relish the thought of the return trip on united's economy class, Ryan air doesn't even enter the picture.

Mc Love

Davidth88 wrote: »

EI is the IATA code for Aer Lingus , it is also as you say the prefix for Irish Civil aircraft registrations

As for flying to the US with FR ( the IATA code for Ryanair )

I imagine their offering should it happen would not be very different to say US Airlines . Where they would miss out is the possibility of having internal connections within the US. Most airlines have some sort of internal connections for example EI and Jetblue .
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EI also have United Airlines as one of their partners

Terrontress

Dacian wrote: »

Last time I was on EI (May and August) the films were bang up to date with individual screens.

I have to admit, the film I saw that sticks in my mind as awful was Jumper. It was a modern film though so Aer Lingus were not to know it would be awful! Not their fault although I have known ex-pats coming home to be embarrassed when they see Kilnascully portraying woeful Irish stereotypes.

Just caught up on the 4th page. See you point about the IFE. The previous EI IFE was muck. The new one is however one of the best even if EI do not use its full potential. It is by Panasonic and in theory could be upgraded to have Wi-Fi. JetBlue in OZ use the same system and have Wi-Fi.

Great, I'll look forward to seeing it some time. Although, as mentioned, I have a smartphone, PSP and laptop, all of which can carry out the same function except with shows and films I want to see. I think EI are a bit late to the party as regards IFE. The only thing IFE will have in future over personal entertainment device is quality of content.

Whats wrong with pouring from a bottle? Does it taste different? Seems to be they can pack more litres of coke/7up/fanta etc onboard if the use biger bottles. I don't think it looks cheap.No less then the little cans.

As with any form of public transport I always bring a bottle of water/7up. I didn't buy any pringles, no one tried to sell them to me. I had my own bar of diary milk to nibble at. I bought myself a few beers and was happy with that. No hawking to my eyes.

The whole thread is a comparison to Ryanair. The bottom line is that Aer Lingus do not offer a premium service. I beg to differ about packing more soft drinks on in the bigger bottles. They taper toward the top and therefore take up more space. On most airlines they give an, admittedly small, individual can which you can pour at your leisure.

As I have said before, I know what EI offer and I was prepared to pay the price but I do not think that in anyway it is a premium service, is most likely one of the worst offered by European flag carriers and I cannot see FR offering much worse.

Blisterman

Why could Ryanair not use their 737s for transatlantic services?

I've always wondered why long haul flights use large planes and short haul use smaller ones.

Bearcat

Ryanair being an non ETOPs operator will have to kick off their operations to be within 60mins of the nearest suitable airport to the USA and with experience the range increases. Aer Lingus is 180mins ETOPs which means they fly the shortest routing (great circle). Bring your extra sambos with Ryanair as a 6hr 50 flight will be a 7hr 50 one to kick off with wonderful views of iceland/greenland en route.

Tenger

BuffyBot wrote: »

JetStar? AFAIK they only have portable players.

I think Dacian mean to say VirginBlue in Oz. They are currently upgrading their inflight product

Tenger

Double post fail!

amdublin

jahalpin wrote: »

At the moment, I can fly from Dublin - Las Vegas (via LHR) with British Airways for 175 plus "taxes and charges"

Oooh! :eek:

Really?!!

Link to this please!!

AfterDusk

Bearcat wrote: »

Ryanair being an non ETOPs operator will have to kick off their operations to be within 60mins of the nearest suitable airport to the USA and with experience the range increases. Aer Lingus is 180mins ETOPs which means they fly the shortest routing (great circle). Bring your extra sambos with Ryanair as a 6hr 50 flight will be a 7hr 50 one to kick off with wonderful views of iceland/greenland en route.

Actually the latest a/c in the fleet (all those with EI-EN*) are ETOPs equipped

Mc Love

Terrontress wrote: »

On most airlines they give an, admittedly small, individual can which you can pour at your leisure.

Also - EI do give you the cans that you mention as I had two of them on my way home and saw people on the flight out with them too.

Terrontress

Mc Love wrote: »

Also - EI do give you the cans that you mention as I had two of them on my way home and saw people on the flight out with them too.

Oh, have they gone back to that? Well, that's an improvement I suppose.

snubbleste

amdublin wrote: »

Oooh! :eek: Really?!! Link to this please!!

More like €500! 2 weeks in Jan

Fare (A1): BA DUBLAS ONCEUR fare (rules) , psgr type ADT €82.50
Fare (A2): BA LASDUB ONCEUR fare (rules) , psgr type ADT €82.50
Tax: USDA APHIS Fee $5.00
Tax: US Immigration Fee $7.00
Tax: US Customs Fee $5.50
Tax: US International Arrival Tax $16.30
Tax: BD YQ surcharge €3.50
Tax: Irish Passenger Charge €7.70
Tax: Irish Air Travel Tax €10.00
Tax: United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge £40.35
Tax: BA YQ surcharge €219.50
Tax: US International Departure Tax $16.30
Tax: US September 11th Security Fee $2.50
Tax: US Passenger Facility Charge $4.50
Total for 1 adult passenger: €496.53

Bearcat

neil2304 wrote: »

Actually the latest a/c in the fleet (all those with EI-EN*) are ETOPs equipped

they maybe etops equipped but FR have no experience on North Atlantic operations re pax operations and will have to kick off on the 60min rule. EIN in 1994 had to to the same going from 60 to 103 to 138 to eventually 180mins etops.

Thats just my thinking on it......maybe fr have a different angle but cant see the IAA handing out etops approval from the off. Good luck to them.

Plowman

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Bearcat

agree Plowman, he'll have to use someone elses AOC who have ETOPs approval. Forgive my rant re etops but by jazuz it can make things a long day/night. Back into my cave............

CiaranC

Have flown low-fare internally in Australia, Australia to Malaysia and KL to London (Air Asia). Cant say I noticed any difference to flying long haul with the likes of BA, Air France or Quantas really, except in price.

Cosmo Kramer

snubbleste wrote: »

More like €500! 2 weeks in Jan


Quote:
Fare (A1): BA DUBLAS ONCEUR fare (rules) , psgr type ADT €82.50
Fare (A2): BA LASDUB ONCEUR fare (rules) , psgr type ADT €82.50
Tax: USDA APHIS Fee $5.00
Tax: US Immigration Fee $7.00
Tax: US Customs Fee $5.50
Tax: US International Arrival Tax $16.30
Tax: BD YQ surcharge €3.50
Tax: Irish Passenger Charge €7.70
Tax: Irish Air Travel Tax €10.00
Tax: United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge £40.35
Tax: BA YQ surcharge €219.50
Tax: US International Departure Tax $16.30
Tax: US September 11th Security Fee $2.50
Tax: US Passenger Facility Charge $4.50
Total for 1 adult passenger: €496.53

There's a hidden surcharge if I ever saw one! Having said that though sub €500 to Vegas is good going any time of the year.



Regarding the low cost transatlantic idea I always thought there would be a possibility of setting up some kind of low cost base at a midway point somewhere like Gander and fly 738s or 321s in and out in each direction.

For example you'd have flights from 10 or 15 Western Europe destinations and 10 or 15 North American destinations that would land in Gander and people would just transfer to flights to their final destination like they do at Heathrow, Schiphol, Atlanta etc at the moment. So instead of a 1 hour flight to Heathrow and an 8 hour flight to say Dallas, you'd have two 4.5 - 5 hour flights instead. Pre-clearance and customs could be set up in Gander to off set the transfer time and any additional journey time with the stopover.

The use of Ryanair type aircraft and procedures (buy on board, priority boarding, scratchcards, smokeless cigarettes etc.) would keep fares to a minimum and individual flight times would be similar to a trip to the Canaries. People might even prefer this route to be able to stop off half way rather than be on the same flight for 7 hrs + straight.

If only I had a few hundred million in the bank to get it off the ground!

Dacian

neil2304 wrote: »

Actually the latest a/c in the fleet (all those with EI-EN*) are ETOPs equipped

I thought ETOPS was a rating rather than related to a specific piece of equipment. I have been told that EI A330s just out of maintainence are non-ETOPS until they complete a sector. Something to do with engine certification

In regard to the lastest FR B738s...are you saying that they now have UHF comms. I read before that FR don't have this which is why they couldn't use oceanic routes going Ireland-Spain during the French ATC strikes.



As mentioned above MoL has publicly stated that any transatlantic venture will be seperate to FR. I would think the Air Asia model could work. He maintains that the cost of aircraft is a hindering factor in starting this project. If this is true then expect to see this project emerge in 4-5 years as the arrival B787/A350 causes a large number of used A330 to come on the market. (Maybe some older B772s?) I don't think the B767 would be efficient enough for a low cost start-up. I could be wrong though.

Following on from his comments expect to see a business cabin which can cover most if not all of the cost of the operation while the economy cabin is packed with low fares. (Traditionally many airlines could break even with full First and/or Business)
They don't need Y to make a profit if J is full, but by keeping Y full they poach pax from their 'high fare' competitiors, thus causing problems for them.

AfterDusk

Dacian wrote: »

In regard to the lastest FR B738s...are you saying that they now have UHF comms.

Yeah that's what I meant, got mixed up

A320-200

Just to clear it up, you can be ETOPS Certified, not equipped. ETOPS certification extents up to ETOPS 180+.

For operations in the North Atlantic (Shanwick and Gander OCA's), aircraft must be NAT MNPS certified and be HF equipped, not UHF.

NAT MNPS is equivalent to RNP 12.6, ICAO equipment code "X".

SELCAL is optional.

Manic Moran

I seem to remember MOL saying this would be a reality today if it weren't for the 'extortionate' prices Ryanair were quoted on new transatlantic aircraft a few years back.

That's what MOL says.

However, Airbus said "With what I know of the pricing levels they [Ryanair] have in mind, I think I can say this is one order that Boeing should win”

Then Boeing decided that they couldn't agree to a price that low either.

I think it's more like MOL complaining that he can't buy a Mercedes for the price of a Toyota and calling Mercedes' pricing 'extortionate'. Maybe he should look at Tupolev?

NTM

thomasj

Didn't O'Leary famously say if ryanair did first class it would do champagne and BJs

coffeelover

I have been waiting for sooo long for ryanair to fly to the US.. Who wants to pay €500 to fly with the likes of air lingus when you could get it waaay cheaper with ryanair. Yes air lingus maybe more comfortable but I've never had a problem with ryanair and all our flights have always been on time and everyone is nice and friendly.

David086

thomasj wrote: »

Didn't O'Leary famously say if ryanair did first class it would do champagne and BJs

Yeah he did, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE

saeglopur

coffeelover wrote: »

I have been waiting for sooo long for ryanair to fly to the US.. Who wants to pay €500 to flywith the likes of air lingus when you could get it waaay cheaper with ryanair. Yes air lingus maybe more comfortable but I've never had a problem with ryanair and all our flights have always been on time and everyone is nice and friendly.

Out of interest what do people think is a fair price to pay for a 7 hour flight to the US. What do people expect a Ryanair type model to charge?

axer

saeglopur wrote: »

Out of interest what do people think is a fair price to pay for a 7 hour flight to the US. What do people expect a Ryanair type model to charge?

I would think as low as 150/200 return. It depends how much Ryanair can cut out of the service - if it is the current level of comfort then I would be happy enough with that.

Random

i want it to be as cheap as possible. use the same model as they use for their short haul flights at present and make everything that can be optional - optional. they should be cheaper than all the other airlines. that'll do for a start.

Cosmo Kramer

I think you would be looking at the rock bottom (loss making) off peak tickets to the East Coast being sold for €200 return with most passengers paying around €300 off peak and maybe €350 in the middle of the high seasons. In typical Ryanair fashion last minute tickets would be more expensive than that.

If they were any more expensive than that the price difference between low fare and full fare airlines would make it unviable.

David086

Has anyone ever thought about Ryanair buying Aer Lingus? The wanted to buy them just for the Transatlantic routes? Yes?, No?, Maybe?

Bearcat

A320-200 wrote: »

Just to clear it up, you can be ETOPS Certified, not equipped. ETOPS certification extents up to ETOPS 180+.

For operations in the North Atlantic (Shanwick and Gander OCA's), aircraft must be NAT MNPS certified and be HF equipped, not UHF.

NAT MNPS is equivalent to RNP 12.6, ICAO equipment code "X".

SELCAL is optional.

To be etops certified you got to do the donkey work first as in going the long way.......etops certification is not handed out like snuff at a wake.

JCX BXC

Mc Love wrote: »

You would probably have to pay for the free dinner (snacks etc). Soft drinks and water would'nt be free.

You would have to pay to watch the entertainment equipment and a further fee to hire the headphones.

Think I will stick with EI

No **** that! €10 to new york, I would pay for it no problem

IRLConor

Carnacalla wrote: »

No **** that! €10 to new york, I would pay for it no problem

No chance of €10 to New York, it would be at least 10 times that.

The fuel cost per seat of a fully-loaded 737-800 is about €80*, so just for the fuel they'd need to charge you roughly that.

* Calculated from 26,020L of fuel at $980/per ton @ $1.31:€1 divided by 189 seats.

Preset No.3

Do you not think if MOL could make it work with old aircraft like the early ryanair days, they would have tried?

I seriously doubt they would be as cheaper as people think. The fuel burn alone would eat up the profit.

If you are smart, you can easily get a flight to the east coast from
Dublin with a full service airline for €400!

Tenger

IRLConor wrote: »

......The fuel cost per seat of a fully-loaded 737-800 is about €80*, so just for the fuel they'd need to charge you roughly that.....

Preset No.3 wrote: »

Do you not think if MOL could make it work with old aircraft like the early ryanair days, they would have tried?

I seriously doubt they would be as cheaper as people think. The fuel burn alone would eat up the profit.....

And this is a major difference between long haul and short haul. FR would have launched already if they thought they could make it work.

Look at Norwegian, they have launched their version of long haul low cost using cutting edge B787's as these aircraft offer a 15-20% reduction in fuel burn over other similarly sized widebodies.

steve-o

IRLConor wrote: »

No chance of €10 to New York, it would be at least 10 times that.

The fuel cost per seat of a fully-loaded 737-800 is about €80*, so just for the fuel they'd need to charge you roughly that.

The incremental fuel cost of one additional passenger is more like €30. If a seat would otherwise go empty in the low season, then €30 will cover the additional fuel cost of carrying that passenger, and there's a good chance that they'll spend money on other things.

JCX BXC

If this was to happen, id say it would be a €50 seat, €120 15kg bag, €20 pick your.seats and €10 bottle.of water.

billie1b

IRLConor wrote: »

The fuel cost per seat of a fully-loaded 737-800 is about €80*, so just for the fuel they'd need to charge you roughly that.

Really depends on where the aircraft is travelling, a full flight going to STN would cost nowhere near as much per seat as a full flight to the canaries. Fuel cost per seat to STN would be about €20, to the canaries it'd be about €45.
The configuration on a 738 would have to be changed to do the east cost of America or the a/c would have to stop to do a re-fuel. This alone would push fuel cost even higher, if he was to do TA he would do it on 757's or cheap 777's

JCX BXC

billie1b wrote: »

Really depends on where the aircraft is travelling, a full flight going to STN would cost nowhere near as much per seat as a full flight to the canaries. Fuel cost per seat to STN would be about €20, to the canaries it'd be about €45.
The configuration on a 738 would have to be changed to do the east cost of America or the a/c would have to stop to do a re-fuel. This alone would push fuel cost even higher, if he was to do TA he would do it on 757's or cheap 777's

Depends, ryanair might charge you to use the lights to keep costs down

billie1b

Carnacalla wrote: »

Depends, ryanair might charge you to use the lights to keep costs down

Maybe not from the start to attract the customers but more than likely after that

IRLConor

steve-o wrote: »

The incremental fuel cost of one additional passenger is more like €30. If a seat would otherwise go empty in the low season, then €30 will cover the additional fuel cost of carrying that passenger, and there's a good chance that they'll spend money on other things.

Understood. I was trying to make a point about the average fuel cost per seat of a fully-fuelled 738. It was a simplification to point out how unrealistic €10 flights would be. Sure, there'll be some last minute deals to fill otherwise-empty seats but if you tot up the cost of a full tank and divide it among the passengers then on average they'll be paying more than €10.

billie1b wrote: »

Really depends on where the aircraft is travelling, a full flight going to STN would cost nowhere near as much per seat as a full flight to the canaries. Fuel cost per seat to STN would be about €20, to the canaries it'd be about €45.
The configuration on a 738 would have to be changed to do the east cost of America or the a/c would have to stop to do a re-fuel. This alone would push fuel cost even higher, if he was to do TA he would do it on 757's or cheap 777's

Yup, my rough calculation above was "fill a 738 and make it go as far as possible". I don't think anyone would be under the illusion that it was a practical setup for transatlantic operations.

Irish Steve

There is another option, which seems to be being ignored by the low cost carriers. Shannon has pre clearance, a massive runway, and plenty of spare slots to operate with.

So, here's how it works, and it should be possible to make money doing it. Initially needs 2 large aircraft, 747, or ideally A380, which will operate from Shannon to the East Coast, Bangor or Boston, somewhere that can provide feeder services to other places in the same way as would be needed at Shannon. 738's provide feeder services into and out of Shannon, from all over Europe as appropriate, and then pre clear, on to the 380, and away you go. The reason for using Shannon, and somewhere close on the East Coast is that unlike almost any other trans atlantic route, the aircraft can do 3 flights a day,(with smart ground handling crews) so 2 aircraft can operate a shuttle service of a flight every 8 hours, and given that the airframe is being used to almost maximum utilisation, it has a much better chance of being profitable than an aircraft that only does 2 flights a day.

Ryanair have plenty of aircraft that could provide the feeder services on this side, the other side would need some serious work, but the rest of it is pretty much already in place, and there's also the "carrot" of being able to carry some useful quantities of freight as well, given that the range is not at the upper end of the aircraft capability.

It might sound crazy, but do the math, it should be possible to make it work very well, as long as the right people are making it work.

sawdoubters

I love the yellow seats of ryanair
carry on luggage allowance

being able to print out my boarding card at home

and buying water on the plane

I love buying the scratch cards where no one wins money,sure its only a bit of craic

I love they only fiill up with petrol only half full,sure if we land on water we have our lifejackets


I love the non recline seats and the ads on them

I love how they convert dollar prices and add 6% for the trouble

IRLConor

Irish Steve wrote: »

There is another option, which seems to be being ignored by the low cost carriers. Shannon has pre clearance, a massive runway, and plenty of spare slots to operate with.

So, here's how it works, and it should be possible to make money doing it. Initially needs 2 large aircraft, 747, or ideally A380, which will operate from Shannon to the East Coast, Bangor or Boston, somewhere that can provide feeder services to other places in the same way as would be needed at Shannon. 738's provide feeder services into and out of Shannon, from all over Europe as appropriate, and then pre clear, on to the 380, and away you go. The reason for using Shannon, and somewhere close on the East Coast is that unlike almost any other trans atlantic route, the aircraft can do 3 flights a day,(with smart ground handling crews) so 2 aircraft can operate a shuttle service of a flight every 8 hours, and given that the airframe is being used to almost maximum utilisation, it has a much better chance of being profitable than an aircraft that only does 2 flights a day.

Ryanair have plenty of aircraft that could provide the feeder services on this side, the other side would need some serious work, but the rest of it is pretty much already in place, and there's also the "carrot" of being able to carry some useful quantities of freight as well, given that the range is not at the upper end of the aircraft capability.

It might sound crazy, but do the math, it should be possible to make it work very well, as long as the right people are making it work.

Anyone willing to point-to-point themselves through Shannon to the US already has options of DL, EI, UA & US. Are there many people from outside of Ireland using the Ryanair links to transfer onto those flights?

If the answer is yes, then a) I'm surprised and b) your notional low-cost transatlantic leg would have stiff competition. If the answer is no, then your carrier would probably be confining its customer base to the ultra cost conscious. Neither scenario is a good place to be.

wretcheddomain

sawdoubters wrote: »

I love the yellow seats of ryanair
carry on luggage allowance

being able to print out my boarding card at home

and buying water on the plane

I love buying the scratch cards where no one wins money,sure its only a bit of craic

I love they only fiill up with petrol only half full,sure if we land on water we have our lifejackets


I love the non recline seats and the ads on them

I love how they convert dollar prices and add 6% for the trouble

And your point relating to the OP is?

andy_g

sawdoubters wrote: »

I love the yellow seats of ryanair
carry on luggage allowance

being able to print out my boarding card at home

and buying water on the plane

I love buying the scratch cards where no one wins money,sure its only a bit of craic

I love they only fiill up with petrol only half full,sure if we land on water we have our lifejackets


I love the non recline seats and the ads on them

I love how they convert dollar prices and add 6% for the trouble

Be careful how you wish to proceed on this as it could be classed as Ailrline bashing and is against the charter.