Should New Years be Celebrated on the Winter Solstice?

Killer Pigeon

Personally I think it makes no sense at all for the year to end on the 31st December. It makes far more sense for it to be on the shortest day of the year, the 21st/ 22nd December. For thousands of years, other civilisations have marked the Winter Solstice to be end of the yearly cycle because it makes astronomical sense but 31st December doesn't really make any astronomical sense at all really - it was just conjured up in people's heads. To be more accurate, the Gregorian calender in general makes no astronomical sense.

AntiMatter

I agree in principle to moving the date, but I'd argue for the 24th, or 25th is it, when the sun rises again.

Do away with Christmas altogether.

MGMTea

AntiMatter wrote: »

Do away with Christmas altogether.

no presents for you next year then

Quiet you

Its all just a scam to sell calanders at christmas time. Did you know there are actual calander shops out there? Shops make money by selling calanders and nothing else. This boggles my brain.

red menace

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Personally I think it makes no sense at all for the year to end on the 31st December. It makes far more sense for it to be on the shortest day of the year, the 21st/ 22nd December. For thousands of years, other civilisations have marked the Winter Solstice to be end of the yearly cycle because it makes astronomical sense but 31st December doesn't really make any astronomical sense at all really - it was just conjured up in people's heads. To be more accurate, the Gregorian calender in general makes no astronomical sense.

Yes it's more significant than the change of digits

AntiMatter

MGMTea wrote: »

no presents for you next year then

We can invent a fresh, imaginary bestower of gifts to go with our new New Year.

WindSock

No b-coz I gets more days off a work this way.

Terry

No!
As stated in the other thread, I celebrate the new year at 8:15pm on the 13th of November.

You are all figments of my imagination, so the new year begins just after my date and time of birth.

Killer Pigeon

Terry wrote: »

No!
As stated in the other thread, I celebrate the new year at 8:15pm on the 13th of November.

You are all figments of my imagination, so the new year begins just after my date and time of birth.

So if we are all figments of your imagination does that mean everyone, included your mother and the doctors and the midwives? Who told you that you were born at 8:15pm on the 13th of November? Are they also figments of your imagination which means that you also are a figment of your own imagination which makes sense and is a contradiction in logic therefore your argument is false.

Terry

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

So if we are all figments of your imagination does that mean everyone, included your mother and the doctors and the midwives? Who told you that you were born at 8:15pm on the 13th of November? Are they also figments of your imagination which means that you also are a figment of your own imagination which makes sense and is a contradiction in logic therefore your argument is false.

Not at all.
You see, I'm actually God. Of a sort anyway.
I created this entire universe with my imagination. The details grew with time.

That I am able to counter your argument is a testament to the fact that I imagined you making the point above.

For your Christmas bonus (****, I had fun creating that whole Jesus mess), I've given you the discovery of the Denisovans.
Enjoy.

Killer Pigeon

Terry wrote: »

Not at all.
You see, I'm actually God. Of a sort anyway.
I created this entire universe with my imagination. The details grew with time.

That I am able to counter your argument is a testament to the fact that I imagined you making the point above.

For your Christmas bonus (****, I had fun creating that whole Jesus mess), I've given you the discovery of the Denisovans.
Enjoy.

But I too claim (and actually am) the one true God, the Creator of the Universe and Lord of All.

AntiMatter

The Chinese one is based on the lunar cycle, and heralds the start of Spring, which seems far more natural and romantic than the changing of some arbitrary date.

And they get a new animal every year. All we get is a lousy new number.

KnifeWRENCH

New Year's shouldn't be celebrated at all. Nothing changes apart from the calender.

New Years Eve in particular is a stupid fúcking depressing "celebration".

Mike 1972

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

To be more accurate, the Gregorian calender in general makes no astronomical sense.

Doesnt make sense Feb only having 28 days either

There should be six months of 30 days and six months of 31 days and they should run alternately.

And as for the 12 hour clock what a load of ballix !

Like everything else its the fault of the Roman catholic church

DualFrontDiscs

Terry wrote: »

That I am able to counter your argument is a testament to the fact that I imagined you making the point above.

Imagine the poster, not the post !

HNY.

DFD.

expectationlost

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Personally I think it makes no sense at all for the year to end on the 31st December. It makes far more sense for it to be on the shortest day of the year, the 21st/ 22nd December. For thousands of years, other civilisations have marked the Winter Solstice to be end of the yearly cycle because it makes astronomical sense but 31st December doesn't really make any astronomical sense at all really - it was just conjured up in people's heads. To be more accurate, the Gregorian calender in general makes no astronomical sense.

yeah but what difference does the solstice make to an urban person?

KnifeWRENCH

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

New Year's shouldn't be celebrated at all. Nothing changes apart from the calender.

New Years Eve in particular is a stupid fúcking depressing "celebration".

I'd say your some craic over a few pints.

Rabble Rabble

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Doesnt make sense Feb only having 28 days either

There should be six months of 30 days and six months of 31 days and they should run alternately.

And as for the 12 hour clock what a load of ballix !

Like everything else its the fault of the Roman catholic church

Yeah... And their time machines changing the numerical systems thousands of years before Christ.

Irish Guitarist

I don't care. It's just a date as far as I'm concerned.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

You people depress me.

Rabble Rabble

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Personally I think it makes no sense at all for the year to end on the 31st December. It makes far more sense for it to be on the shortest day of the year, the 21st/ 22nd December. For thousands of years, other civilisations have marked the Winter Solstice to be end of the yearly cycle because it makes astronomical sense but 31st December doesn't really make any astronomical sense at all really - it was just conjured up in people's heads. To be more accurate, the Gregorian calender in general makes no astronomical sense.

The Gregorian calendar is agnostic about when the year begins.

Who celebrated the solstice as the start of the year? Not Romans, Greeks, Celts or anybody.

Rabble Rabble

AntiMatter wrote: »

I agree in principle to moving the date, but I'd argue for the 24th, or 25th is it, when the sun rises again.

Do away with Christmas altogether.

The modern angry atheist is sounding a lot like a puritanistic Roundhead.

Dyr

I try to mentally note the 1st of november as the start of a new year..doesn't really work though as no one else is in on it

aDeener

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Doesnt make sense Feb only having 28 days either

There should be six months of 30 days and six months of 31 days and they should run alternately.

And as for the 12 hour clock what a load of ballix !

Like everything else its the fault of the Roman catholic church

yeah the fuckers, we are only after getting our water back there this morning