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Chucky ár Lá... DigDig's gonna get you!
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Brianderunner wrote: »+1, 1:36 half or faster is 3:30 in reality based on other boardsies performance (male especially) Especially as Digger seems more a fast twitch type runner.
I'm more of a fast twitch runner like digger and convereteda 1:29 half- to a 3:10 full in a few months, pretty much in line with Mcmillan. Lots of long runs are the key plenty of miles. There is no reason why a 1:32 half runner can't do a sub 3;15 full, fast twitch or not
A few months ago i would have agreed with you btw.0 -
I'm more of a fast twitch runner like digger and convereteda 1:29 half- to a 3:10 full in a few months, pretty much in line with Mcmillan. Lots of long runs are the key plenty of miles. There is no reason why a 1:32 half runner can't do a sub 3;15 full, fast twitch or not
A few months ago i would have agreed with you btw.
As I said 80+ 0 -
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I only did 80+ once (as it happens the week before my 3:10 marathon
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60-70 miles a week on average over a 12 week period is more than enough to convert ones potential I reckon. Having a good base certainly helps.
Agreed, but you'd want your base of 50/60 pw for a good long period prior to that.0 -
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I'm more of a fast twitch runner like digger and convereteda 1:29 half- to a 3:10 full in a few months, pretty much in line with Mcmillan. Lots of long runs are the key plenty of miles. There is no reason why a 1:32 half runner can't do a sub 3;15 full, fast twitch or not
A few months ago i would have agreed with you btw.
See thats the thing. It took you 3 months to improve from a 1:29 half standard to a 3:10 marathon standard. As i said you looked visibly thinner over Easter than you did back in December and you have seen a noticable improvement since. Surely you would have done 1'27/1'28 if you did the half in Blackpool? A Mcmillan 3'05 or thereabouts.0 -
Brianderunner wrote: »As i said you looked visibly thinner over Easter than you did back in December
Thanks Brian. I am doing my best to get fat again. :pac:
I don't think there was more than a kilo in weight between the two though.
My point is that digger has 5 months to go to berlin so to run 1:36 now and go for 3:30 in berlin is a weak target.
If I run 1:24:xx or low 1:25 4 weeks out from berlin (longford half) I'll be quietly confident of a sub 3, so If Digger is in 1:32 shape by then he should be happy to go for 3:15.0 -
Wow... Where do I start :eek: Firstly, interesting points made. To date, my training has been basically made up of running plenty of miles and the odd race. I have done no, what one could call, structured training. I have also given literally zero thought to diet, sleep, booze consumption etc. (that might stay the same) So at this point I actually don't know what sort of improvement I could find.
Interestingly enough, since I joined Sportsworld I've done sessions that I would never have done on my own, time trials, Fartlek, 200M repeats etc. and doing them within a club scene allows you to see where you are in the pecking order.
Last night was a 3.5 mile Fartlek, myself and CL ran with the intermediate group and I was the first male and CL the first female to finish. We definitely pushed ourselves harder than we would have on our own. I came out of the session feeling great and optimistic about what I could do to some of my PB's with another few months of proper training.
I know I have a few years on most of you and that will no doubt eventually have its influence but I've seen first hand the improvements made by other Boardsies after they joined a club. That said, I'm also cautious with my goals and predictions. Besides, if someone told me two years ago that I'd be in Berlin in September 2012 running a 3:29 Marathon I'd have been delighted.0 -
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Wow... Where do I start :eek: Firstly, interesting points made. To date, my training has been basically made up of running plenty of miles and the odd race. I have done no, what one could call, structured training. I have also given literally zero thought to diet, sleep, booze consumption etc. (that might stay the same) So at this point I actually don't know what sort of improvement I could find.
Interestingly enough, since I joined Sportsworld I've done sessions that I would never have done on my own, time trials, Fartlek, 200M repeats etc. and doing them within a club scene allows you to see where you are in the pecking order.
If it's any consolation (or motivation, well that's how I used it), a couple of years ago I was basically told by Boards posters that I wouldn't run certain times for the marathon as I wasn't suited for the longer stuff. Up until that point I'd never trained properly for one. Judging by what you've written above, either have you! Therefore nobody can predict the improvements you will see over the next 6-18 months with structured training.
The one thing I would say about the club sessions is make sure you take it very handy the days either side of them. You are probably developing/using muscle groups that don't normally get used and recovery is so important especially as the body gets used to running higher intensities in training.0 -
TheRoadRunner wrote: »If it's any consolation (or motivation, well that's how I used it), a couple of years ago I was basically told by Boards posters that I wouldn't run certain times for the marathon as I wasn't suited for the longer stuff.
Name and Shame!!!:)0 -
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TheRoadRunner wrote: »
If it's any consolation (or motivation, well that's how I used it), a couple of years ago I was basically told by Boards posters that I wouldn't run certain times for the marathon as I wasn't suited for the longer stuff. Up until that point I'd never trained properly for one. Judging by what you've written above, either have you! Therefore nobody can predict the improvements you will see over the next 6-18 months with structured training.
The one thing I would say about the club sessions is make sure you take it very handy the days either side of them. You are probably developing/using muscle groups that don't normally get used and recovery is so important especially as the body gets used to running higher intensities in training.
Yeh, it's interesting how a running book and one marathon under your belt can make someone an expert
I was a very competitive and combatitive sportsman in years gone by... In fact, maybe a little too Roy Keane for my own good. It's therefore quite humbling to line up at the start of a 5k knowing that if I run 20 mins I'll finish maybe 1km behind the winner. Therefore my attitude has changed to the "participation" ethos... that may be where I sell myself short. But I'm beginning to see an improvement that does have me re-assessing some of my original goals.
Point taken re: the easy days either side of the club sessions, I have been doing that. First track session tomorrow morning in Tallaght should be fun/interesting.... Might be just the excuse I need to get myself a pair of spikes
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Well it was that or run in grass skirts down in Ray's place:) 0 -
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First track session tomorrow morning in Tallaght should be fun/interesting.... Might be just the excuse I need to get myself a pair of spikes
Really think you should give one of the graded meets a lash. That 70 second 400m you did in UCD a while back and your fast twitch makeup would have you competitve in the Masters track and field competitions. Beats crawling round ultra's? Just a thought.0 -
Brianderunner wrote: »First track session tomorrow morning in Tallaght should be fun/interesting.... Might be just the excuse I need to get myself a pair of spikes
Really think you should give one of the graded meets a lash. That 70 second 400m you did in UCD a while back and your fast twitch makeup would have you competitve in the Masters track and field competitions. Beats crawling round ultra's? Just a thought.
Yep, would be really interesting to try it out, especially against my age group... Might see if I can give a 400m a lash tomorrow and see what time I get....0 -
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