Electric cars (bewbs inside)

TeddyTedson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRl_tbNfw3k

(bewbs at 0:14)

Saw this ad on the box. Seem to be making a big push for this year towards electric cars.
Might be worth getting if your buying a new car this year.
Save mega monies on petrol and I think the engines only have around two moving parts whereas petrol cars have hundreds, so they should be really reliable.

Oranage2

I think Eoin Ryan or some other minister wants by 2020 to have something like 10% of the cars on the road which I think works out to be 230,000 to be electric car/hybrid.* Also Israel have a big thing going on with electric cars check so we could copy that model






Edit: added link to prove my story http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1126/transport.html

Jesus Wept

boobs.

reverenddave

i will never buy an electric car off a french car maker (peugeot, renault, citroen)

you will never own the batteries you could pay 20-40 grand for a car but you still need to lease the batteries @ €300 a month

i dont know if they have changed this policy yet but that was certainally the case 6 months ago when i was going to import a 99' electric berlingo
and they said i had to lease the battery

so basically it'll cost you the same or maybe more to drive an electric car

gbee

reverenddave wrote: »

so basically it'll cost you the same or maybe more to drive an electric car

Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Go Green and we TAX you anyway, FOOOOLS! [read fools in the voice of BA ]

evercloserunion

Boobs.

TeddyTedson

Horny feckers aren't yee!

Dardania

I'd like to get one alright, but would need a decent second hand market in them to be able to afford one.

Also, people keep saying that you charge them at home, then in work - I can tell you there's no way my work would pay for me to charge my car on their bill!

henryporter

You'd see more boobages at a nun's convention!

Overheal

Dardania wrote: »

Also, people keep saying that you charge them at home, then in work - I can tell you there's no way my work would pay for me to charge my car on their bill!

Doesn't seem that far-fetched, really. I could see google already adopting this. Hell their parking lot in SF is already solar-powered. Small businesses won't be quick to adopt this of course, no. But I can imagine that city car parks and corporate car parks would be the first adopters.

stimpson

Might work for a city commute but useless for anything else. 300 km range means you couldn't do Dublin-Cork-Dublin in a single day. If you run out of electrons you can't just fill up at the nearest socket.

Hydrogen fuel cells are the answer to leccy cars. Honda do one in California now called the FCX. Runs like a normal car and only emits water vapour. You can fill them up at petrol stations with hydrogen pumps.

TeddyTedson

stimpson wrote: »

Might work for a city commute but useless for anything else. 300 km range means you couldn't do Dublin-Cork-Dublin in a single day. If you run out of electrons you can't just fill up at the nearest socket.

Hydrogen feel cells are the answer to leccy cars. Honda do one in California now called the FCX. Runs like a normal car and only emits water vapour. You can fill them up at petrol stations with hydrogen pumps.

Don't they blow up quite badly though...(if they crash I mean, not just randomly)

Overheal

stimpson wrote: »

Might work for a city commute but useless for anything else. 300 km range means you couldn't do Dublin-Cork-Dublin in a single day. If you run out of electrons you can't just fill up at the nearest socket.

Hydrogen fuel cells are the answer to leccy cars. Honda do one in California now called the FCX. Runs like a normal car and only emits water vapour. You can fill them up at petrol stations with hydrogen pumps.

Thats where hybrids come into play. Not even Hydrogen, which is further away from mainstream, but cars like the Chevy Volt, which are electric cars but have a backup gas-powered electric generator for extra range.

Bearing in mind, how often do you have to do dublin-cork-dublin? And if the electric car is not viable for you anyway, might as well burn that small amount of gas to re-charge an electric that just plain use a diesel/petrol-burning car. They've done *a lot* of research on commuting though and the vast majority of the populace, even in the states which is very road-oriented, simply don't commute beyond the ranges that are now within the coverage of an electric vehicle.

In the long run - 50 years - Hydrogen will gain more acceptance. But Electric is here right now. And the two will co-mingle: electric-drive cars with hydrogen generators.

stimpson

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Don't they blow up quite badly though...(if they crash I mean, not just randomly)

Nope. That's airships you're thinking of. The fuel cell keeps the hydrogen in an inert state. The yanks would never let them on the road in Cali if there was any safety risk.

WindSock

The-Rigger wrote: »

boobs.

evercloserunion wrote: »

Boobs.

Is this where if you say something 3 times, it might appear? Like Candyman. Or was that 5?

TeddyTedson

WindSock wrote: »

Is this where if you say something 3 times, it might appear? Like Candyman. Or was that 5?

try it there and see..

stimpson

Overheal wrote: »

Bearing in mind, how often do you have to do dublin-cork-dublin? And if the electric car is not viable for you anyway, might as well burn that small amount of gas to re-charge an electric that just plain use a diesel/petrol-burning car. They've done *a lot* of research on commuting though and the vast majority of the populace, even in the states which is very road-oriented, simply don't commute beyond the ranges that are now within the coverage of an electric vehicle.

I don't do it often, but the point is that I do it occasionally and I can do it with ease and comfort in my 2 litre turbo diesel. I can also use it to commute into town on a daily basis for less than a euro a day. A petrol or diesel car has a flexibility that a commute only electric car does not.

Hybrids are a stop gap solution to stretch out petrol a little longer until hydrogen is 100% viable. H2 is probably closer than you think.

Ficheall

It's time to drive the car forward again... towards people...

Mr Benevolent

cars like the Chevy Volt, which are electric cars but have a backup gas-powered electric generator for extra range.

That's the stupidest automotive design idea in 30 years. It has no merit whatsoever. They didn't want an American car being called a hybrid, so the fudged the hybrid idea until it was unrecognisable. Oh yeah, and it has a battery range of about 60 miles and it's ridiculously heavy. Retards.

Del2005

stimpson wrote: »

I don't do it often, but the point is that I do it occasionally and I can do it with ease and comfort in my 2 litre turbo diesel. I can also use it to commute into town on a daily basis for less than a euro a day. A petrol or diesel car has a flexibility that a commute only electric car does not.

Electric cars aren't viable for long journeys. The range they say is available is in perfect conditions and can't be done by anyone. But if you did have an electric car for your commute the amount of money you save on the daily commute would easily cover hiring a proper car for the occasional Dublin-Cork-Dublin run.

stimpson wrote: »

Hybrids are a stop gap solution to stretch out petrol a little longer until hydrogen is 100% viable. H2 is probably closer than you.

Hydrogen can't be used till we have fusion or reliable green electricity, current hydrogen production uses huge amounts of energy to split the H2 out of H2O. There's also the issue that the current petrol/diesel infrastructure will have to be totally replaced for H2 at huge cost.

alwaysadub

WindSock wrote: »

Is this where if you say something 3 times, it might appear? Like Candyman. Or was that 5?

Beetlejuice was 3. Candyman was 5.

Overheal

Confab wrote: »

That's the stupidest automotive design idea in 30 years. It has no merit whatsoever. They didn't want an American car being called a hybrid, so the fudged the hybrid idea until it was unrecognisable. Oh yeah, and it has a battery range of about 60 miles and it's ridiculously heavy. Retards.

I think they said similar things about the Sports Utility Vehicle as a concept..

stimpson

Del2005 wrote: »

Electric cars aren't viable for long journeys. The range they say is available is in perfect conditions and can't be done by anyone. But if you did have an electric car for your commute the amount of money you save on the daily commute would easily cover hiring a proper car for the occasional Dublin-Cork-Dublin run.

I visit the inlaws on a more regular basis though and that's a 150 mile round trip which would be far more limiting. As for savings, my diesel does almost 70 mpg outside city driving. Hiring a similar size car for a weekend would cost nearly 300 quid.

Hydrogen can't be used till we have fusion or reliable green electricity, current hydrogen production uses huge amounts of energy to split the H2 out of H2O. There's also the issue that the current petrol/diesel infrastructure will have to be totally replaced for H2 at huge cost.

It will take time before you can buy h2 on every forecourt but it will happen. Honda can provide solar panels that will crack water into hydrogen and oxygen if you live somewhere sunny. They are looking at a commercial launch as soon as 2018.

Overheal

what are you driving stimp?

jd007

(.) (.)

Dardania

stimpson wrote: »

I visit the inlaws on a more regular basis though and that's a 150 mile round trip which would be far more limiting. As for savings, my diesel does almost 70 mpg outside city driving. Hiring a similar size car for a weekend would cost nearly 300 quid.



It will take time before you can buy h2 on every forecourt but it will happen. Honda can provide solar panels that will crack water into hydrogen and oxygen if you live somewhere sunny. They are looking at a commercial launch as soon as 2018.

Come on...new year notwithstanding, that's a bit far off...

You're right about H2 though, the infrastrucure is (mostly) there - just a few new tanks required for distribution. Maybe H2 production is what excess wind power should be used on...

ome to think of it, a college lecturer of mine always figured that was the best use of excess electricity...

Jesus Wept

WindSock wrote: »

Is this where if you say something 3 times, it might appear? Like Candyman. Or was that 5?

5 apparently.

boobs, boobs, boobs, boobs, booooooobs.
:pac:

stimpson

Dardania wrote: »

Come on...new year notwithstanding, that's a bit far off...

Yeah - they should be able to crank out a whole new motor tech over a couple of weeks.

The first gen FCX cost a cool million each to build. The current cars come in at 120,000. It will probably take another 7 years to get them down to the 20,000 to 30,000 price range.

EDIT: Boobs

TeddyTedson

The-Rigger wrote: »

5 apparently.

boobs, boobs, boobs, boobs, booooooobs.
:pac:

bewbs will appear here if someone can tell me how to insert a picture into my post, not a link.

kowloon

WindSock wrote: »

Is this where if you say something 3 times, it might appear? Like Candyman. Or was that 5?

Five times in a mirror, but it would summon a boob demon, or some kind of evil boob manifestation.
It would backfire either way, any easy way of summoning our desires always does.
We must earn our boobs. Only through hard work will we learn to appreciate them.

I'm holding out for the Opel Hindenberg, wer leben autos.

Son Of A Vidic

Electric cars are about as practical as glass hammers. So I'll wait another 10-15 years to see if they can develop anything based on reality.

Jesus Wept

TeddyTedson wrote: »

bewbs will appear here if someone can tell me how to insert a picture into my post, not a link.

No worries, Windsock is planning to share.

TeddyTedson

The-Rigger wrote: »

No worries, Windsock is planning to share.

feck.
Oh well, as promised though, here we are;

Bewbs

OctavarIan

Electric cars are a great idea but they'd want to get the infrastructure down first.

Jev/N

jd007 wrote: »

(.) (.)

Stop looking at my hands!

WindSock

The-Rigger wrote: »

No worries, Windsock is planning to share.

I only have 2, not sharing. Go find your own.

Guy:Incognito

stimpson wrote: »

Might work for a city commute but useless for anything else. 300 km range means you couldn't do Dublin-Cork-Dublin in a single day. If you run out of electrons you can't just fill up at the nearest socket.
.

I think it was the Head of Renault Ireland or Uk that I heard talking about this. What they see as being the best system for this is a petrol station type system.

You pull in and stop in a bay, the station swaps your wasted battery for a charged one automatically from underneath. Should take the sametime as filling with petrol.

stovelid

Utter paucity of boobs alert.

Strongly-worded trade descriptions complaint to follow.

stimpson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I think it was the Head of Renault Ireland or Uk that I heard talking about this. What they see as being the best system for this is a petrol station type system.

You pull in and stop in a bay, the station swaps your wasted battery for a charged one automatically from underneath. Should take the sametime as filling with petrol.

The glaring problem with that is the memory effect of rechargeable batteries. You could be swapping a new battery set for an old set that has half the capacity which could leave you stranded at the side of the road.

The other big problem with electric only cars is the weight of the batteries. For the same amount of energy they are multiple times the weight of fossil fuels. Weight is the enemy of efficiency, speed and handling.

old_aussie

Very soon electric cars will have a "fast charge" cycle that will provide 80% charge capacity in 30 mins.

Mitsubishi are soon to release the fast charge version of their (i-MiEV)car in Australia.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/60591/mitsubishi-i-miev-preview-electric-cars-land-in-australia/

The sooner we get away from oil burning cars the better.

TeddyTedson

old_aussie wrote: »

Very soon electric cars will have a "fast charge" cycle that will provide 80% charge capacity in 30 mins.

Mitsubishi are soon to release the fast charge version of their (i-MiEV)car in Australia.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/60591/mitsubishi-i-miev-preview-electric-cars-land-in-australia/

The sooner we get away from oil burning cars the better.

This would be great for ringing into work late saying you need to charge the car because the power went last night or something.

stimpson

old_aussie wrote: »

Very soon electric cars will have a "fast charge" cycle that will provide 80% charge capacity in 30 mins.

Mitsubishi are soon to release the fast charge version of their (i-MiEV)car in Australia.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/60591/mitsubishi-i-miev-preview-electric-cars-land-in-australia/

The sooner we get away from oil burning cars the better.

That car has a range of 160 km. You'd have to stop twice on the way to Cork which would add an hour to your journey.

My oil burner has 5 times that range and I can charge it to 100% in 3 minutes.

Overheal

stimpson wrote: »

I visit the inlaws on a more regular basis though and that's a 150 mile round trip which would be far more limiting. As for savings, my diesel does almost 70 mpg outside city driving. Hiring a similar size car for a weekend would cost nearly 300 quid.



It will take time before you can buy h2 on every forecourt but it will happen. Honda can provide solar panels that will crack water into hydrogen and oxygen if you live somewhere sunny. They are looking at a commercial launch as soon as 2018.

What are you driving, exactly

Donny5

stimpson wrote: »

The glaring problem with that is the memory effect of rechargeable batteries. You could be swapping a new battery set for an old set that has half the capacity which could leave you stranded at the side of the road.

The other big problem with electric only cars is the weight of the batteries. For the same amount of energy they are multiple times the weight of fossil fuels. Weight is the enemy of efficiency, speed and handling.

The memory effect is specific to nickel cadmium batteries, which are not contenders in the EV world.

Your second point is, for now, very true, and will be the limiting factor for some time to come.

Ali Babba

It's been proved time and time again that electric cars are a waste of time as a daily driver, you'll need duel power to get you home. It takes too long to charge them and the range is too small. But as usual with anything green they'll keep pouring billions into development and keep the crackpots in jobs. Most of these green looneys should either be locked up or terminated when they showed signs of greenness.

stimpson

Overheal wrote: »

What are you driving, exactly

Avensis 2.0 D4D

Donny5

stimpson wrote: »

Avensis 2.0 D4D

I'm calling bull**** on your 70 mpg claim, unless you drive like Alan Philips.

stimpson

I did Dublin to Drogheda last week and reset the trip computer. At 100kmh she returned 4.3 l/100km

Donny5

stimpson wrote: »

I did Dublin to Drogheda last week and reset the trip computer. At 100kmh she returned 4.3 l/100km

That, while very impressive, is not nor close to 3.36L/100km, which is what you claimed earlier. Either way, that's a hell of a fuel economy from what is at all a light or compact car.

Overheal

^ Fish-tale BUSTED :pac:

Ali Babba wrote: »

It's been proved time and time again that electric cars are a waste of time as a daily driver, you'll need duel power to get you home. It takes too long to charge them and the range is too small. But as usual with anything green they'll keep pouring billions into development and keep the crackpots in jobs. Most of these green looneys should either be locked up or terminated when they showed signs of greenness.

The thing of it is that Batteries aren't going anywhere, last decade we entered the dawn of what I lovingly referred to as the Wireless Age. Laptops, Phones, Cars, Space Stations, iPads, Flashlights, Gameboys, power tools, Wiimotes, networking, charging mats*, mice, keyboards, headsets, you name it and we want it wireless. And we're getting very good at it.

It's not just cars, cars are merely benefiting from battery advances already being made. The good news however is that if the auto industry also puts its force behind researching better batteries, in unison with the tech industries, you're going to see much smarter batteries and much faster charging times with vastly extended ranges, and hybrids that use fuel cells rather than the gasoline generators seen on the Voltec Powertrain used by Chevy.

The electric that might not get you round trip to Cork today, will do so some years from now, perhaps sooner than you might expect. In the meantime the Electric is there and available for those that can make use of it. Sure, the laptop and the Cell Phone were around for decades before they were common household items but that didn't stop them from being sold and developed and used by those consumers that could see or take the advantage in it.

*The charging mat idea itself seems like wasted effort, but I've since seen the concept transfer over to electric razors and toothbrushes, a smart place not to have exposed electrical contacts.

stimpson

Donny5 wrote: »

That, while very impressive, is not nor close to 3.36L/100km, which is what you claimed earlier. Either way, that's a hell of a fuel economy from what is at all a light or compact car.

Works out at 66 imperial mpg.

There was an Eco race in the uk last year and an Avensis came second with 74.3 mpg.