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RIRA make new years statement- Threaten to "expand its campaign in 2011"

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    #632
    ISAW
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    junder wrote: »
    So when was the last time the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge allowed to parade in thier capital city?

    about a year and a half ago. By the way the point I made was in a 32 county Ireland. I am sure it could be written into stone and into the constution before the adoption of a 32 cunty Ireland that Lodges etc. could parade flags be hoisted etc. but the deal would be they do it in a 32 county Irish Republic. I think most Irish Republican people would agree to this.


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    #633
    ISAW
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I meant Ulster. If the Union ever did break up, id rather a united Ulster, than a United Ireland. Ulster is the best place in the world. :cool:

    Ironically unionist leaders didn't take this line and dumped three counties of Ulster on the basis they could control the other six.


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    #634
    KeithAFC
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    ISAW wrote: »
    Ironically unionist leaders didn't take this line and dumped three counties of Ulster on the basis they could control the other six.
    I know. Lets try to convince the other 3 counties to join the UK. :)


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    #635
    Noreen1
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I know. Lets try to convince the other 3 counties to join the UK. :)

    Sorry, KeithAFc - I doubt if you'd find too much support for that idea in the other three counties of Ulster.:)

    Let's just agree that Ulster is one of the best places in the World, instead.:D


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    #636
    junder
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    ISAW wrote: »
    about a year and a half ago. By the way the point I made was in a 32 county Ireland. I am sure it could be written into stone and into the constution before the adoption of a 32 cunty Ireland that Lodges etc. could parade flags be hoisted etc. but the deal would be they do it in a 32 county Irish Republic. I think most Irish Republican people would agree to this.

    The last public orange parade to happen in Dublin was in 1937 and surprise surprise they were attacked. In the last 20 years the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge has applied several times and each time sinn fein has threatened counter demonstrations and so permission has been refused. Once the Dublin city council invited the dublin and Wicklow orange lodge to take part in a saint patricks day parade again sinn fein threatened counter demonstrations so the invitation was rescinded.


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    #637
    wee truck big driver
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    junder wrote: »
    The last public orange parade to happen in Dublin was in 1937 and surprise surprise they were attacked. In the last 20 years the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge has applied several times and each time sinn fein has threatened counter demonstrations and so permission has been refused. Once the Dublin city council invited the dublin and Wicklow orange lodge to take part in a saint patricks day parade again sinn fein threatened counter demonstrations so the invitation was rescinded.

    lets have a parade supporting the ira through enniskillen cellebrating the rememberance day bombing. or why dont the r.i.r.a have a parade through omagh on the anniversary of there bombing of omagh


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    #638
    lendmeyourear
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    kev9100 wrote: »
    I disagree. I'd say most people have ZERO interest in listening to these people. They represent no-one, have no solutions for anything and just want to drag us all back to the dark ages. Why would anyone care remotely what they think?


    The ordinary 'Joe sixpack' like myself for instance, feel these individuals should be rounded up and made to do something worthwhile like a bit of community work to keep their brains occupied or brawn for that matter. God only help them when they get old and realise how they wasted their lives on some ideals that the people that live here today for the most part just want to keep a roof over their heads right now and feed their families. When will the realise there is a new way forward that most people espouse. We live in a democracy, don't we?


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    #639
    KeithAFC
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    wee truck big driver wrote: »
    lets have a parade supporting the ira through enniskillen cellebrating the rememberance day bombing. or why dont the r.i.r.a have a parade through omagh on the anniversary of there bombing of omagh
    They aren't going away you know. They will march down Dublin sooner or later.


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    #640
    wee truck big driver
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    They aren't going away you know. They will march down Dublin sooner or later.
    whose not going away


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    wee truck big driver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭wee truck big driver


    just to say well done to the norn irish football team it was only 3-0 could have been worse. sure why dont you keep threatning any catholics that might want to play for yous


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    #642
    ISAW
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    junder wrote: »
    The last public orange parade to happen in Dublin was in 1937

    The last one on the 12th July.

    But the question you asked was when was the last time Orange men were allowed to parade.

    They had garda approval for a parade in Summer of 2007 and they had approval and began a parade in February 2006 which led to a riot.

    In May 2010 one of the founders of "love Ulster" who were organising these parades was convicted of Rape.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10169173

    That might have set back the reapplication process.
    In the last 20 years the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge has applied several times and each time sinn fein has threatened counter demonstrations and so permission has been refused. Once the Dublin city council invited the dublin and Wicklow orange lodge to take part in a saint patricks day parade again sinn fein threatened counter demonstrations so the invitation was rescinded.


    Have you a source for this other than the Orange Order e.g. Dublin City Council minutes? Gardai statements?


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    #643
    junder
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    ISAW wrote: »
    The last one on the 12th July.

    But the question you asked was when was the last time Orange men were allowed to parade.

    They had garda approval for a parade in Summer of 2007 and they had approval and began a parade in February 2006 which led to a riot.

    In May 2010 one of the founders of "love Ulster" who were organising these parades was convicted of Rape.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10169173

    That might have set back the reapplication process.




    Have you a source for this other than the Orange Order e.g. Dublin City Council minutes? Gardai statements?

    The love ulster parade was not an orange parade. You very keen in other people providing proof how about you show some proof that a parade by the Dublin and Wicklow lodge have held a parade on the dates you supplied such as council minutes, gardai statements maybe even Some photos of a parade by the dublin and wicklow taking place in Dublin moreover why have you a problem with the Dublin and wicklow lodge being a source for information ?


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    #644
    KeithAFC
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    Too many people in the Republic just don't seem to understand the difference between a Unionist parade and an Orange Order parade.


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    #645
    Glassheart
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I meant Ulster. If the Union ever did break up, id rather a united Ulster, than a United Ireland. Ulster is the best place in the world. :cool:

    You will immediately find yourself in a minority.


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    Glassheart
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    junder wrote: »
    So when was the last time the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge allowed to parade in thier capital city?

    What would be the point?

    Many people would be happy to allow it as a gesture of solidarity and many more simply wouldn't care.
    The trouble is that there is inevitably going to be a small number of idiots who will cause problems which will give people like you the opportunity you crave to make sweeping generalisations about Southern attitudes to Loyalism and even Protestants.
    The last thing you want is a peaceful march without incident and even then you would find something to make a fuss over.We can't win.


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    junder
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    Glassheart wrote: »
    What would be the point?

    Many people would be happy to allow it as a gesture of solidarity and many more simply wouldn't care.
    The trouble is that there is inevitably going to be a small number of idiots who will cause problems which will give people like you the opportunity you crave to make sweeping generalisations about Southern attitudes to Loyalism and even Protestants.
    The last thing you want is a peaceful march without incident and even then you would find something to make a fuss over.We can't win.

    Why not try allowing the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge the chance to parade in thier own city and we can see if I would find 'something' to make a fuss about. After all surly allowing a parade to go ahead peacefully would undermine my apparent believe in what southern attitude is to loyalism, parhaps you to focus on those 'small number of idiots' that would cause trouble instead of making 'sweeping generlisations' about me


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    #648
    Glassheart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 501 ✭✭✭Glassheart


    junder wrote: »
    Why not try allowing the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge the chance to parade in thier own city and we can see if I would find 'something' to make a fuss about.

    I and many others would have no problem with southern Orangemen marching in Dublin.The vast majority simply wouldn't care.The few dozen thugs who will care are not a fair representation of Irish people.
    junder wrote: »
    After all surly allowing a parade to go ahead peacefully would undermine my apparent believe in what southern attitude is to loyalism,

    Well that is normally the way things work...
    junder wrote: »
    parhaps you to focus on those 'small number of idiots' that would cause trouble

    Isn't that what we have the police for? They would go out there and risk their necks protecting these orangemen only to have you and your bretheren over on Pulse whinge about the 'Roman state of shame'.
    We can't win.
    junder wrote: »
    instead of making 'sweeping generlisations' about me

    I'm not making any sweeping generalisations.You and your ilk over on Pulse hate us and you take every opportunity you can to indulge yourselves.


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    #649
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Glassheart wrote: »
    What would be the point?

    Many people would be happy to allow it as a gesture of solidarity and many more simply wouldn't care.
    The trouble is that there is inevitably going to be a small number of idiots who will cause problems which will give people like you the opportunity you crave to make sweeping generalisations about Southern attitudes to Loyalism and even Protestants.
    The last thing you want is a peaceful march without incident and even then you would find something to make a fuss over.We can't win.

    To be fair if Sinn Fein, Eirigi, Republican Sinn Fein and Irish Republican Socialist Party leaders came out and said "let them march" there wouldn't be any meaningful riots.

    There's always this line of ''oh we're protesting against a sectarian organisation'' but its absolute horsesh*t.

    Yeah true enough the likes of Willie Frazer got exactly the response he wanted from Dublin at the Love Ulster parade, and I believe he was intentionally sh*t-stirring but anyone calling themselves a republican should have rose above such a petty man and let the parade go ahead.

    I'd also like to see Orange parades/flute bands participate in the St Patricks day parades around the country, a lot more appropriate to the day and Ireland than some of new age crap they use in them. Aggravating that SF threathen to protest them just to appear hardline to supporters.


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    #650
    KeithAFC
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    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    To be fair if Sinn Fein, Eirigi, Republican Sinn Fein and Irish Republican Socialist Party leaders came out and said "let them march" there wouldn't be any meaningful riots.

    There's always this line of ''oh we're protesting against a sectarian organisation'' but its absolute horsesh*t.

    Yeah true enough the likes of Willie Frazer got exactly the response he wanted from Dublin at the Love Ulster parade, and I believe he was intentionally sh*t-stirring but anyone calling themselves a republican should have rose above such a petty man and let the parade go ahead.

    I'd also like to see Orange parades/flute bands participate in the St Patricks day parades around the country, a lot more appropriate to the day and Ireland than some of new age crap they use in them. Aggravating that SF threathen to protest them just to appear hardline to supporters.
    Probably put back the Republican view 10+ years. Why they didn't just allow the march to go ahead when Gerry Adams even said let it go ahead. Showed themselves up that day.


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    junder
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    Glassheart wrote: »
    What would be the point?

    Many people would be happy to allow it as a gesture of solidarity and many more simply wouldn't care.
    The trouble is that there is inevitably going to be a small number of idiots who will cause problems which will give people like you the opportunity you crave to make sweeping generalisations about Southern attitudes to Loyalism and even Protestants.
    The last thing you want is a peaceful march without incident and even then you would find something to make a fuss over.We can't win.
    Glassheart wrote: »
    I and many others would have no problem with southern Orangemen marching in Dublin.The vast majority simply wouldn't care.The few dozen thugs who will care are not a fair representation of Irish people.



    Well that is normally the way things work...



    Isn't that what we have the police for? They would go out there and risk their necks protecting these orangemen only to have you and your bretheren over on Pulse whinge about the 'Roman state of shame'.
    We can't win.



    I'm not making any sweeping generalisations.You and your ilk over on Pulse hate us and you take every opportunity you can to indulge yourselves.

    Your not making any sweeping generalisations yet me and my 'ilk' over on pulse hate you and take every opportunity to indulge ourselves, not bad you have manage to contradict yourself in 2 lines. So tell me what is my 'ilk' and exactly how do we 'indulge' ourselves?


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    #652
    Glassheart
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    junder wrote: »
    Your not making any sweeping generalisations yet me and my 'ilk' over on pulse hate you and take every opportunity to indulge ourselves,

    Am i wrong? I can pull up one of your recent quotes if you like?

    There was a post made only today by someone else on that site regarding the love Ulster parade which demonstrates the view amongst you that the behaviour of a bunch of toerags in the south is somehow representive of the entire country.

    You also once referred to Boards.ie as a "Republican" site.Sums it up really...
    junder wrote: »
    So tell me what is my 'ilk'

    Fringe loyalist.


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    ISAW
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    junder wrote: »
    Why not try allowing the Dublin and Wicklow orange lodge the chance to parade in thier own city

    As i pointed out they already were allowed. all they have to do is tell the gardai. Ther is no law preventing them like their is in their own Unionist dominated part of the Island.
    After all surly allowing a parade to go ahead peacefully would undermine my apparent believe in what southern attitude is to loyalism,

    I agree. Go ahead and have one for all I care.

    Indeed if the national front want to parade they probably should be allowed as well.


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    ISAW
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Probably put back the Republican view 10+ years. Why they didn't just allow the march to go ahead when Gerry Adams even said let it go ahead. Showed themselves up that day.

    They did let the Love Ulster march go ahead. As you have been informed a group of idiots caused a riot. The Love Ulster people didn't decide to have one since then. Nothing tio do with being banned as you seem to think.


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    KeithAFC
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    ISAW wrote: »
    They did let the Love Ulster march go ahead. As you have been informed a group of idiots caused a riot. The Love Ulster people didn't decide to have one since then. Nothing tio do with being banned as you seem to think.
    Im not surprised. Disgraceful scenes of them throwing bricks and all sorts.


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    junder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    Glassheart wrote: »
    Am i wrong? I can pull up one of your recent quotes if you like?

    There was a post made only today by someone else on that site regarding the love Ulster parade which demonstrates the view amongst you that the behaviour of a bunch of toerags in the south is somehow representive of the entire country.

    You also once referred to Boards.ie as a "Republican" site.Sums it up really...



    Fringe loyalist.

    You can 'indulge' yourself if you want, I am
    Not bothered what people think about me posting on pulse, I am have always been up front about being s loyalist on this site and don't feel the need to skulk on forums without revealing myself


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    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    junder wrote: »
    You can 'indulge' yourself if you want, I am
    Not bothered what people think about me posting on pulse, I am have always been up front about being s loyalist on this site and don't feel the need to skulk on forums without revealing myself

    What is 'pulse'


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    #658
    junder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    marienbad wrote: »
    What is 'pulse'

    It's a unionist / loyalist website


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    #659
    Glassheart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 501 ✭✭✭Glassheart


    junder wrote: »
    I am
    Not bothered what people think about me posting on pulse, I am have always been up front about being s loyalist on this site

    The fact that you are a Unionist/Loyalist isn't a problem.
    The problem is that any gesture of friendship the ROI makes will always be rebuffed and we'll end up picking up the €10million bill for the trouble.
    junder wrote: »
    and don't feel the need to skulk on forums without revealing myself

    Thats a luxury you can enjoy on Boards.ie or Politics.ie.There is no room for a contrary position on Pulse.I've seen how quickly "fenians" last on that website...


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    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Probably put back the Republican view 10+ years. Why they didn't just allow the march to go ahead when Gerry Adams even said let it go ahead. Showed themselves up that day.

    Basically the ringleaders would be people who consider gerry adams to be a unionist. thats why I mentioned the other groups too. the route taken would be very easy to get a riot going because its a big city with plenty of chavs/spides. Loads of shops got looted too.

    I can understand people in nationalist areas in northern ireland not wanting marchers given the history of past 40 years and the triumphancy element but there was no excuse for what happened in Dublin as it is not under British rule. The parades are always fine in Donegal and thats in the republic too. I was honestly sickened by the reaction to the march that year


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    junder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    Glassheart wrote: »
    The fact that you are a Unionist/Loyalist isn't a problem.
    The problem is that any gesture of friendship the ROI makes will always be rebuffed and we'll end up picking up the €10million bill for the trouble.



    Thats a luxury you can enjoy on Boards.ie or Politics.ie.There is no room for a contrary position on Pulse.I've seen how quickly "fenians" last on that website...

    So because you believe that any attempt at accommodation will be rebuffed you attuitude is to do nothing, and this helps how?

    If you follow me so closely on pulse then you would be aware that 1 I don't support sectarianism and 2 never use such words as Fenians or taigs or any
    Other derogatory words for roman Catholics or people that identy themselves as irish


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