The Pub trade is dying - Minimum price for Alcohol?

oppenheimer1

Degag wrote: »

Of course there is tax on minerals. Also, you had a pint of beer when you didn't want it for the sake of 45c? Imean you were paying almost a fiver anyway, what difference did the extra few cent make? I agree with minerals being too expensive though.


Very roughly - 50/50.

I think he meant that theres no excise on soft drinks. Of course its ridiculous that soft drinks are priced more expensively than Alcohol. There is no justification for it - just gouging or encouraging people to drink alcohol, because people will buy more when they're drunk. Someone on soft drinks generally won't buy that much as too more than two 7-ups in the one night will leave you feeling sickly.

Joey the lips

TBH i think this is the greatest load of tripe i have heard. I dont care what stats they provide i believe its just clever marketing.

The pub trade is dying because we are broke. People just dont have the money to go out. Beer may be cheaper but I dont drink any more or less.

Raiseing the cost of beer will only effect my pocket it will not save a pubs.


If i were 21 and dateing i would not stay at home in me ma;s or her ma;s to drink cheap bear I would take her out to a pub and have a laugh and a dance with her.

However I am now 41. I cannot get babysitters much and i dont drink as much so i sit at home on a friday or saturday and drink cheap beer because its all the money i want to spend.

ardinn

Degag wrote: »

Ya know, i'd agree with you for different reasons though. Sky are a pack of scoundrels. This year, they increased the rates for pubs by about 20% - while reducing the ammount of channels they got! Their reply when the vintners campaigned against it: "We have more pub subscribers in Birmingham than in the whole of Ireland, Tough shít*"


*May not have said "Tough shít"

Just so you know it costs €600 per month for a sky subscription for a pub.

I cancelled mine this morning, meaning I will now not be able to offer the sports coverage alot of my customers demand. further reducing patrons, further pushing me towards the door.

Wagon

fontanalis wrote: »

True, but people were also willing to go to over priced glorified marts to pour it down their neck. Regarding the pub trade shrinking, what I'd love to see is the "yuppy/mutton dressed up as lamb" bars disappearing.

They aren't pubs. Those are "bars". Often dreadful places.

I love the pub. There's a lovely local near me called the Halfway House. They get the business because they serve great food, have an excellent service, heated smoking area, don't play the music too loud and the staff are some of the nicest I've ever come across. They also do various little things like pub quizzes, competitions and raffles on some nights. Booze isn't at an extortionate price either and yet, unlike these ****ty "bars", you can see where your money goes.

I'd love to see those greedy yuppie gaffs die out and I have no sympathy for any of them.

aidan24326

I'd agree that pubs have way too many TVs these days, and it's nothing but soccer soccer soccer on all of them. Now I watch soccer myself, up to a point, but I don't get the obsession with saturation coverage of soccer on about 3 million tellys in alot of pubs now, especially in Dublin.

Ask them to put a GAA or rugby match on and you'd be lucky, West Brom v Wigan is coming on you see and obviously the whole place wants to see that.

ardinn

starbelgrade wrote: »

Below cost selling is of great benefit to consumers as it helps creates competition in the marketplace & reduces the incentive for sellers to participate in price fixing.

Maybe the pubs should try it & see.

I really dislike protectionism practices - if an industry, which is not of any essential benefit or need to the country, cannot stand on it's own two feet, then it should be allowed to fail.

This of course, will never happen with the pub industry as those who are more competitive, provide better prices & customer service will still survive.

That is the single most moronic thing ive heard in a while

Why dont we sell cars / clothes / food / and everything else for a loss

Sure wouldnt everyone be grand - sure we would need loadsa staff to make all the cars and clothes and serve the pints and everyone would manke a fortune......



Oh wait!!

cbyrd

Joey the lips wrote: »

TBH i think this is the greatest load of tripe i have heard. I dont care what stats they provide i believe its just clever marketing.

The pub trade is dying because we are broke. People just dont have the money to go out. Beer may be cheaper but I dont drink any more or less.

Raiseing the cost of beer will only effect my pocket it will not save a pubs.


If i were 21 and dateing i would not stay at home in me ma;s or her ma;s to drink cheap bear I would take her out to a pub and have a laugh and a dance with her.

However I am now 41. I cannot get babysitters much and i dont drink as much so i sit at home on a friday or saturday and drink cheap beer because its all the money i want to spend.

Agree completely.. the only ones really able to afford to drink in pubs 1 or 2 nights a week are those with no morgage kids or big loans.. When i was 18 - 24 i was out 3 nights a weekend.. i went home most nights fairly pisséd cos i had a job and no bills... i drank bandy and coke.. one bottle of coke did 5 drinks and a brandy was between €1.80 and €2.20 depending on the pub or club i was in.. some pubs gave you a mixer free from a big bottle.. I might spend €20 on a night out...I went out the night before new years eve and i spent €120 i had 7 drinks and a shot and paid into a night club.. i couldn't do that every week i'd be homeless
It's just not worth the money for the sore head,

Agent J

ardinn wrote: »

That is the single most moronic thing ive heard in a while

Why dont we sell cars / clothes / food / and everything else for a loss

Sure wouldnt everyone be grand - sure we would need loadsa staff to make all the cars and clothes and serve the pints and everyone would manke a fortune......



Oh wait!!

Em. Look up the term "Loss Leader"

ardinn

Agent J wrote: »

Em. Look up the term "Loss Leader"

Yes but what exactly do pubs sell???

If your loss leader is your only product then you are a "loss maker"

Look up "economics"

Soby

noodler wrote: »

We arguably have too many pubs in this country as it is.

Anyway, we have been complaining about pub prices for years and its a joke.

In my local I can at least get change out of a fiver for a pint these days but still.

Which should lead to pubs lowering prices to gain a competitive edge

opinion guy

starbelgrade wrote: »

Below cost selling is of great benefit to consumers as it helps creates competition in the marketplace & reduces the incentive for sellers to participate in price fixing.

Maybe the pubs should try it & see.

I really dislike protectionism practices - if an industry, which is not of any essential benefit or need to the country, cannot stand on it's own two feet, then it should be allowed to fail.

This of course, will never happen with the pub industry as those who are more competitive, provide better prices & customer service will still survive.

Yeah ....just like the banks did.....oh....wait.......cue Charleston Heston like breakdown as Opinion Guy falls to his knees and pounds the Earth with his fists...

You MANIACS!!!! You did it didn't you!!!! You pressed the ecomonic nuclear button!!!!

ardinn

Soby wrote: »

Which should lead to pubs lowering prices to gain a competitive edge

Some pubs do, but the risk is great as the margins are far too small to be able to sustain it over periods.

Bobeagleburger

Here's a tip publicans, lower your prices !

I see a pub in Galway that sells pints of Guinness at €3 a pint and glasses of wine for the same, and have been doing for the last year or more.

Go around the corner and you pay €9/10 for the same round.

I have no sympathy for rip off publicans tbh.

Degag

ardinn wrote: »

Just so you know it costs €600 per month for a sky subscription for a pub.

I cancelled mine this morning, meaning I will now not be able to offer the sports coverage alot of my customers demand. further reducing patrons, further pushing me towards the door.

I know how much it costs. I thought that was evident from my post.

mikom

My heart goes out to them.
*fart sound*

snubbleste

Why has the Competition Authority not investigated the move last year by the VFI to 'freeze' prices?

Must look up the word Cartel

kfallon

Dwaegon wrote: »

I asked the barman could he put one onto the magners league when Leinster were playing, and he refused to change it. Never going back there I tell ya!

There are a lot more football lovers than rugby followers in this country!
Majority of Rugby fans think we only started playing the sport about 7-8 years ago :rolleyes:

Most of them wouldn't even know this guy from Adam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc2VZb1Fm2g

aidan24326

Agent J wrote: »

Em. Look up the term "Loss Leader"

Hardly relevant to a pub to be fair, as they mainly only sell alcohol, with maybe a bit of pub food in some of them. Supermarkets can sell alcohol as a loss leader to lure you in so you'll do your other shopping while you're there, food, toiletries, household products and other items. Pubs don't have that option.

ardinn

rarnes1 wrote: »

Here's a tip publicans, lower your prices !

I see a pub in Galway that sells pints of Guinness at €3 a pint and glasses of wine for the same, and have been doing for the last year or more.

Go around the corner and you pay €9/10 for the same round.

I have no sympathy for rip off publicans tbh.

Is that pub paying rent / mortgage etc/etc has it been refurbished recently? I do agree that guinness at €3 is great value - but other pubs and clubs have spent millions on layouts, lighting/sound/vision (general entertainment for guests) - what im saying is you generally get what you pay for. - Maybe the €3 pint pub is a complete superpub - im speaking in general.

ardinn

snubbleste wrote: »

Why has the Competition Authority not investigated the move last year by the VFI to 'freeze' prices?

Must look up the word Cartel

Why has snubbleste not read the whole thread?

Must look up the term TL;DR

Bogsnorkler

You'd assume that prices will fall, those who can't drop their prices due to high rent or other fixed costs will fail. That's the free market and i'm not ever going to apologise for spending my money where is gets the best value.

bookie basher

ripped off the country for years & just like the car trade there now getting their comeuppance

starbelgrade

ardinn wrote: »

That is the single most moronic thing ive heard in a while

Why dont we sell cars / clothes / food / and everything else for a loss

Sure wouldnt everyone be grand - sure we would need loadsa staff to make all the cars and clothes and serve the pints and everyone would manke a fortune......



Oh wait!!

Moronic?

How do you think airlines such as Ryanair have such big turnovers? Do you really think that a 2p flight to the UK is the real cost of the seat? Would you call Michael O'Leary an idiot or a good businessman?

And why do you think we got rid of the Groceries Bill in Ireland?

As I said before, below cost selling is of huge benefit to the customer. You may not like the idea, because you haven't the intellectual or business capability to use that to your own advantage in your business, but that does not make it a moronic concept, just one that you have failed to understand.

Dwaegon

kfallon wrote: »

There are a lot more football lovers than rugby followers in this country!

I don't think so. I believe that the pubs attitude towards football has created a pub-regular society that merely puts up with it as it is the accepted norm in this country.

People in this country just hop on the football bandwagon as an excuse to get pissed. At least support a sport people in this country can actually play well...

Cianos

Our tourist industry is dependent on a good pub culture. But the yuppie bars aren't why people come here, and when it comes to local punters, are usually the most empty and soulless in any case.

The pubs that don't have sky news on mute on every empty wall, have good music and a bit of charm and character to them don't need to compete with the supermarkets, because people go to them for reasons other than to just get drunk.

The Harbour bar in Bray for example, I was down there for the first time in ages on Christmas eve and the owner who I barely know said the couple of drinks I ordered were on him. Can't compete with that :pac:

Dyr

Funny things is..I went to my local for the first time in years this weekend. The guinness was mediocre, I had to listen to some g**bags wailing over a karaoke machine trying to compete with the f**kin tellys on every wall. Of course we were kicked out at 12:30. I'd suggested we would have been better off staying in with a few beers (would'nt have happened of course, thanks to fianna fail, the publican party shafting the off licenses.)

I'm a fan of pubs, but they've lost the run of themselves, too many vitners who thought that it was a license to print money without having to put much effort in. Apparently a generation ago, there was a tradition of people socialising in each other houses. Hopefully that might see a resurgence.:)

mahamageehad

starbelgrade wrote: »

Moronic?

How do you think airlines such as Ryanair have such big turnovers? Do you really think that a 2p flight to the UK is the real cost of the seat? Would you call Michael O'Leary an idiot or a good businessman?

And why do you think we got rid of the Groceries Bill in Ireland?

As I said before, below cost selling is of huge benefit to the customer. You may not like the idea, because you haven't the intellectual or business capability to use that to your own advantage in your business, but that does not make it a moronic concept, just one that you have failed to understand.

To be fair the only reason that ryanair can afford to sell such cheap flights is because they add ridiculous charges- €6 for online check in and no other option! €5 administration charge for using for credit card! And they absolutely rape you on name change fees (€100) and last minute flights!!! It's completely different to pubs- they can't say if you order in advance it's €4 but you waited till the last minute so it's €12.

I don't think anyone is really expecting the pubs to sell for less than cost price but i'm sure the profit margins could be reduced significantly.

mahamageehad

Dwaegon wrote: »

I don't think so. I believe that the pubs attitude towards football has created a pub-regular society that merely puts up with it as it is the accepted norm in this country.

People in this country just hop on the football bandwagon as an excuse to get pissed. At least support a sport people in this country can actually play well...

I thought that we were the only country that played football???

Zebra3

Things that piss me off about pubs.

• Prices going up during the night-is this legal?
  
• Tv noise-be it sport or the news or whatever.
  
• Some bloke hanging around the jacks to keep it clean/selling a squirt of aftershave. Fuck off.
  
• Poor selection of beers-sometimes having a bottle of German beer would be nice. :rolleyes:

kfallon

Dwaegon wrote: »

I don't think so. I believe that the pubs attitude towards football has created a pub-regular society that merely puts up with it as it is the accepted norm in this country.

I would put it to you that more people in this country play football (5 a side or 11 a side) each day/week than rugby, explain that if there are more rugby lovers!