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The Pub trade is dying - Minimum price for Alcohol?
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Voodoomelon wrote: »I'm 27, male and enjoy a good piss up most weekends.
My ideal pub:
-No fúckín tinnitus-inducing loud music. I don't wanna arrive somewhere and sit facing the people I came with in silence.
-No €4.50+ pints. €23+ for 5 pints, wtf?!
-No bloody TVs showing football/gaa/late late show
-Decent friggin pints! Impossible to find in Dundalk area, end up drinking bottled cider all the time because the Harp/Carlsberg/Guinness is absolute piss. Becks is actually the only decent pint you'll get these days.
-A decent selection of beers. Not just the four mentioned above.
-More seats. When has it become acceptable to remove all seating and tables in favour of a slither of shelving around a wall to rest your drink on?
-Clean friggin toilets with bog roll and someone checking them every hour or two.
It wrecks my head that no pub I go to can meet all those requirements. To get a decent pint, it means dealing with shít toilets. To get a selection of beers it means dealing with loud music. To get somewhere with a decent crowd and some women it means putting up with TVs everywhere and no seats. Want a decent price and it means putting up with shít pints.
And the worst thing is have to pay mental money for that kind of service. And i've worked in a bar for over 11 years and know how annoying it is to charge people insane money. You really don't get anything for your money in this country.
Funny thing is, if I see a special offer for x15 bottles of Miller for €20 in Centra or the likes, I think fúck that, i'll be back next week when it's €20 for x20.
A HUGE +1 for me....have never got the hype about Irish pubs
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The VFI are a well known bunch of racketeers and have the price fixed all over my local town, I know a few publicans and can back it up, there is one non VFI in the town selling beer a lot cheaper, but it's a kip because it's the only one thats so low..
You can prove it eh??
pm me so.
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The price of the pint is determined by the costs involved in this country plain and simple.
I recently enquired about a pub in carlow that was for lease.
All going nicely until I asked what the rates were - "about €68,000 a year i think" say yer man not including water rates, just rates. thats 16.000 pints at €4
now, take into account the 400 other normal overheads a pub has and you see what publicans are up against.
But thats life and people cant afford to go out as much anymore. I understand that, but just hate to see people saying their local pubs are ripping them off.
Between €3.50 and €4.50 is reasonable for a pint imo - the fluctuations are there because of the locations and are directly influenced by rates.
Outside city centers you'll get cheaper pints because the rates are lower, the pubs are probably older and paid for, they dont need to refurbish as often because there isnt the same cut throat competition etc etc etc.
But its not just pubs, all businesses are being affected.
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There is two pubs in Sligo where you can get a bottle of heineken for 2.20 and a fair few that do it for 3I was recently in Spain.
A 330ml bottle of Heineken €2.60 in the hotel bar.:)
I'm not suggesting that it needs to be this cheap, but this is almost half the price it would be in a bar anywhere in Ireland. The pubs are killing themselves (that said maybe the suppliers/manufacturers are not helping here either).
Also, the government taxing strategy probably needs to be tackled here to reduce the tax rates in the pub so that a night out with your buddies to the pub will become attractive again. However can we trust the publican to pass this saving on??? I fear not!! And here lies the problem, I guess.
Also a cheaper pub would encourage more people to go out and socialise a somewhat lost art in Ireland today!! This cheaper pub could also lead to a future healtier Ireland!! Remember what they (Big Brother, the government) told us originally; that we're taxing drink to make you drink less and therefore be healthier. It is now the the case that more and more people both young and old drink at home and drink alot, whether on their own or at a house party. And unlike a pub there is no closing hours or measures, etc. at home, which is healthier??? My guess is a controlled environment like a pub a healthier option.0 -
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Well said poster btwVoodoomelon wrote: »I'm 27, male and enjoy a good piss up most weekends.
My ideal pub:
-No fúckín tinnitus-inducing loud music. I don't wanna arrive somewhere and sit facing the people I came with in silence.
-No €4.50+ pints. €23+ for 5 pints, wtf?!
-No bloody TVs showing football/gaa/late late show
-Decent friggin pints! Impossible to find in Dundalk area, end up drinking bottled cider all the time because the Harp/Carlsberg/Guinness is absolute piss. Becks is actually the only decent pint you'll get these days.
-A decent selection of beers. Not just the four mentioned above.
-More seats. When has it become acceptable to remove all seating and tables in favour of a slither of shelving around a wall to rest your drink on?
-Clean friggin toilets with bog roll and someone checking them every hour or two.
It wrecks my head that no pub I go to can meet all those requirements. To get a decent pint, it means dealing with shít toilets. To get a selection of beers it means dealing with loud music. To get somewhere with a decent crowd and some women it means putting up with TVs everywhere and no seats. Want a decent price and it means putting up with shít pints.
And the worst thing is have to pay mental money for that kind of service. And i've worked in a bar for over 11 years and know how annoying it is to charge people insane money. You really don't get anything for your money in this country.
Funny thing is, if I see a special offer for x15 bottles of Miller for €20 in Centra or the likes, I think fúck that, i'll be back next week when it's €20 for x20.0 -
The price of the pint is determined by the costs involved in this country plain and simple.
I recently enquired about a pub in carlow that was for lease.
All going nicely until I asked what the rates were - "about €68,000 a year i think" say yer man not including water rates, just rates. thats 16.000 pints at €4
now, take into account the 400 other normal overheads a pub has and you see what publicans are up against.
But thats life and people cant afford to go out as much anymore. I understand that, but just hate to see people saying their local pubs are ripping them off.
Between €3.50 and €4.50 is reasonable for a pint imo - the fluctuations are there because of the locations and are directly influenced by rates.
Outside city centers you'll get cheaper pints because the rates are lower, the pubs are probably older and paid for, they dont need to refurbish as often because there isnt the same cut throat competition etc etc etc.
But its not just pubs, all businesses are being affected.
I think you're in denial. Of course the pubs are ripping off, not just alcohol, also soft drinks (do you know the mark-ups here?) :eek:
Besides € 16k rates/yr is not that big especially in the ratse league. €16k equates to 1.8pints/hr, not much of a strain? I fit is not much of a pub etc 0 -
Sonnenblumen wrote: »I think you're in denial. Of course the pubs are ripping off, not just alcohol, also soft drinks (do you know the mark-ups here?) :eek:
Besides € 16k rates/yr is not that big especially in the ratse league. €16k equates to 1.8pints/hr, not much of a strain? I fit is not much of a pub etc
I agree, its not that big - thats not what I said though. Get your calculator back out.
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Sonnenblumen wrote: »I think you're in denial. Of course the pubs are ripping off, not just alcohol, also soft drinks (do you know the mark-ups here?) :eek:
Besides € 16k rates/yr is not that big especially in the ratse league. €16k equates to 1.8pints/hr, not much of a strain? I fit is not much of a pub etc
Yes - I do - Do you?
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Prove what? VFI fixing their prices cartel style.
Or publicans smuggling drink across the border.Originally Posted by bryaner
The VFI are a well known bunch of racketeers and have the price fixed all over my local town, I know a few publicans and can back it up, there is one non VFI in the town selling beer a lot cheaper, but it's a kip because it's the only one thats so low..
This!
You never said anything about the border in your post - and unless you have missed something, there is very little differrence in the price of drink across the border now compared to here - So your the publicans you know, who are smuggling drink are either driving a delorean or like long waste of time journeys.
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Spiritofthekop wrote: »What pubs? at the weekends they do this??
The Long Stone do 3.30 pints of craft brewed lager. 12 euro for a 3.5 pint pitcher. I'm keeping the other one to myself as I like to be able to get a seat
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